Posted on 09/17/2011 6:03:51 AM PDT by xzins
The main issue is still the misuse of executive power.
Not when the bill was created and became law. I'm pretty sure that was in 1993. She was in the state legislature from 2001-2007 before taking her current position in 2007. So, no, she wouldn't have been able to vote for the bill, but would have had plenty of opportunities to sponsor legislation to repeal or modify it.
This is why I think her taking offense to Perry's EO in Texas is a bit weak. I fully understand the argument against Perry issuing the EO rather than going to the legislature. That is very much a legitimate issue. Regarding Texas, the people didn't seem to mind it too much, as they voted him back into office for a 3rd time, with over 50% of vote in a 3 way primary, which included a very well financed and backed US Senator. The rest of the country is now hearing about it, so he's had to deal with it again. That's his consequence. Bachmann, however, overshadowed the issue by calling it Perrycare, saying it causes kids to become retarded, and that no governor OR legislature can mandate vaccines. That took away the issue of it just being a misuse or abuse of power by the governor, and made her look like she doesn't know the Constitution.
I do want to add that I like Michele Bachmann. She has been a solid conservative in DC. And I will openly state that I support Perry, if it isn’t already obvious. She does, however, run the risk of alienating a big chunk of the conservative base by going after Perry like this, when Jobs/Obama are the main issues. This may drag Perry down a notch, but I do not see it helping her campaign at all.
Why don’t you quit bashing good Conservative Republicans? I think you are an Obama troll. Nothing you contribute on Freep is striving for Republican Party unity. It’s all divisive hate fulled tripe.
Thanks for the additional info. I agree, some of her responses to this HPV issue do seem overreaching and that’s too bad, because I like her stances in Congress and she has been a strong supporter of TEA party issues. I like her, Perry and Herman Cain and I’m glad that we have real conservatives in the race, talking about the issues. My favorite person for the nomination is Sarah Palin and I hope she enters the race. However, I will support any of the previously mentioned conservatives for the presidency. BTW, Perry seemed genuinely sorry for the way he handled the HPV issue and I have no problems with supporting him if he’s learned his lesson. Conservatives will keep him honest from here on out.
GOPyouth: "What is your proof that Perry took a bribe? I've got all day, so I'll be expecting your answer."
UnwashedPeasant: The quid pro quo is what converts the donation into a bribe. ($28,500 direct donations and $355,000+ in indirect donations from Merck, followed by Perry pushing a Merck agenda that extremely contradicts his alleged conservative values).
Essentially, the response of Perry defenders is that "everyone does it" and that any politician that accepts donations is equally guilty. This is not a good argument for winning over skeptics.
By the way, I will vote for Perry if he is the candidate, and I am willing to be convinced that the Gardasil thing was an honest mistake, and I am willing to be convinced that Perry is not a fake conservative. But he has to be vetted with intellectual honesty.
Your post is full of wisdom. It is impossible to wring money out of the political process. If the contribution is consistent with the recipient’s political philosophy, I don’t see the problem.
If she pushed legislation or an executive order mandating forced inoculation with Cervarix, then she is just as guilty as Perry. It is the quid pro quo that makes the donation a bribe.
But we ALL know she did not do that.
You make a lot of sense, GOPyouth.
LOL! I’ve been around FR far longer than you, and involved with solid conservatives, including Sarah Palin, Duncan Hunter, and Rick Perry, the entire time.
There has to be evidence that but for the political donation, Perry wouldn't have made the EO. That hasn't been proven. When the CDC at the time was recommending this vaccine, it makes it harder to believe that Perry was 1. against issuing the EO for the vaccine beforehand and 2. changed his mind and issued the EO because received a donation(s).
A then B, therefore A caused B doesn't hold up in court when trying to prove a quid pro quo. This is why I asked for evidence in my post earlier today.
Yes, I realize this is the court of public opinion, but if Bachmann is going to make a serious accusation, she better be backed up with facts that prove it.
As for him pushing the Merck agenda, what other company should he have pushed if he wanted to issue an EO on the HPV vaccine? (Yes, some will say that he shouldn't have issued any EO, but that's separate from the issue of why it was done) I'm pretty sure that at the time Merck was the only company approved to manufacture it. So, yes, in a sense his actions would solely benefit Merck, as no other pharm company existed to benefit.
Regarding vetting Perry, I have no problems with that. He should be vetted. I don't expect people outside of Texas to know all the ins and outs of Texas politics. He's a tough boy and can handle it. Whether the people believe him or not is a totally different story. Time will tell. However, as my recent posts will show, I will defend him against some of these attacks that I think are blatantly false or misguided, such that this legion of little girls was strapped down and injected with the "retarded" needle. That never happened, but it's being pushed on here, but more so on the big stage by Bachmann.
Maybe I'm biased b/c I'm from Texas, but I do support him. There are a few things that I disagree with him on, but understand why he did them. In-state tuition as opposed to out-of-state-tution is one of them. If they are in the process of becoming legal, that's a different story, but I don't support letting illegals, who have no desire to become citizens, have a break in tuition. Is that a deal breaker for me on the national level? No. But it is an issue.
And since it has been accused by other people (not you) on here to different people, I'll go ahead and say that I'm not on any politician's payroll, I'm not a volunteer for anybody's campaign, I don't work for any PAC or anything related, I'm not related to Perry or any politician, and I don't have plans to do so.
I'm happy that we have a big group of mostly conservatives in this primary. I appreciate Bachmann, Cain, Santorum, and Gingrich running. I think they are convicted in their beliefs. I honestly can't say the same for Romney. I think he is a brilliant businessman, but I don't believe he's convicted. Huntsman is a joke, and it showed when Perry didn't even take the opportunity to respond to him. I believe Perry is convicted in his beliefs, even though I don't agree with all of them. Hell, throw Palin in the mix, even though she hasn't announced. I think she's a rock solid conservative, and I would welcome her as well.
I'm sure a lot of people on here would agree with me that Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum, Palin, and even Romney would be leaps and bounds better than our current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania. I will happily vote for them (not so much Romney) if they become our candidate. Unfortunately, being from Texas, that decision will be probably be made before we ever get to vote in the primary. The bright spot is that I got to participate in Operation Chaos in 2008 and voted for Hillary.
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Nobody has produced any evidence that Perry is corrupt, unless taking donations is the definition of corruption.
Michele Bachmann has accused Perry of a quid pro quo without any evidence. That was a very slanderous statement regarding Perry and Merck, especially when she has no evidence of Perry or Merck breaking the law. However, what can't be denied is that Bachmann has taken thousands of dollars of donations from Merck's direct competitor, and continues to slander Merck.
Her taking money from GSK is no issue. Her taking money from GSK and publicly accusing its competitor of breaking the law and causing kids to be retarded is an issue. She was given just enough rope, and I will predict that her campaign will not recover from her false and asinine accusations.
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