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Philly Catholic schools shut down [by Catholic Teachers Union]
worldmag.com ^ | by Brittany Smith | September 16, 2011, 12:02 PM

Posted on 09/18/2011 11:36:36 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

Tuesday, the new academic year ground to a halt for Roman Catholic high schools in the Philadelphia area. The archdiocese called off classes for about 16,500 students because of a teachers strike. The local chapter of the Association of Catholic Teachers, representing 700 Catholic high school teachers from 17 different schools, rejected the archdiocese’s contract proposal last week and began its strike Sept. 6.

Theresa Ryan-Szott, chief negotiator for the archdiocese, said bargaining has been going on since March but has moved “at a snail’s pace” because of what she called union foot-dragging. The work stoppage entered its second week as bargaining between the teachers union and school system stalled largely over issues of job security and working conditions.

Union members oppose provisions regarding sick leave, the planned use of part-time instructors, and the displacement of teachers affected by school closings. They also demand salary increases of 14.5 percent and more respect.

System officials said union resistance is preventing them from modernizing the schools and instituting innovations such as online grading. They noted the proposed part-time instructors would be used for niche classes such as engineering, robotics, and Mandarin, not core subjects.

According to the archdiocese’s website, the proposed contract “was a watershed agreement aiming to allow our schools to adapt to the ever-changing 21st century educational landscape and provide our students with the tools to succeed.”

The union has asked for mediation twice, but the archdiocese refused both times. “We believe that we know our students, our teachers, our parents, and our schools better than any outsider,” Ryan-Szott said. Last Sunday, the two sides exchanged proposals, but the archdiocese said the union “did not want any face-to-face discussions with the full Archdiocesan Negotiating Team.”

Superintendent Mary Rochford added, “We are in a position that we should not be in. The contract needs to change so that it is there to advance educational initiatives and programs that our students need. Our schools need to be excellent, timely, and relevant for our children and we cannot work in a contract that ties our hands to that.”


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1 posted on 09/18/2011 11:36:42 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

an example of what one priest called “the gay left” in the church.


2 posted on 09/18/2011 11:43:21 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

And Chaput was installed only a matter of days ago. Welcome to Philly, Archbishop Chaput.


3 posted on 09/18/2011 11:44:03 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Hey, lets hear it for teacher’s unions!


4 posted on 09/18/2011 11:44:08 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: DeaconBenjamin

need I also point out, “Obama voters?”


5 posted on 09/18/2011 11:44:13 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

FIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!


6 posted on 09/18/2011 11:45:45 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I thought Nuns and Brothers taught at Catholic schools, when did that change?


7 posted on 09/18/2011 11:51:37 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Catholic school children should be educated by Nuns and Brothers. Teacher’s unions are for “professional” teachers, not educators.


8 posted on 09/18/2011 11:52:54 AM PDT by RingerSIX (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccine that they offer down at our Church.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I agree. If this is a Catholic school, WHERE is the Catholic spirituality of these teachers? (I bet Bishop Chaput wisely ensures they are gifted with such...)


9 posted on 09/18/2011 11:53:55 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: jpsb
Their numbers have been dwindling over the years.
10 posted on 09/18/2011 11:55:08 AM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Yep.....these are private schools and unions have no place in them. Bring back the Brothers, Priests and Nuns. You’ll most likely get a better educated child anyway. They take no static from anyone.


11 posted on 09/18/2011 11:55:14 AM PDT by RC2
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Fire them


12 posted on 09/18/2011 11:57:18 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: the invisib1e hand
an example of what one priest called “the gay left” in the church.

After what I saw in Catholic high school over 40 years ago I wasn't at all suprised by the pedophile priests and the hard left social gospel lurch the Church has taken. Dude, where's my Church?

13 posted on 09/18/2011 11:58:45 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

We miss our bishop in Denver. I hope God gives him the strength to have a Reagan moment and help restore the faith there.


14 posted on 09/18/2011 11:59:18 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: RingerSIX

The “spirit of vatican ii” depopulated many orders. Until the new orthodox orders build up, Catholic schools will be staffed by lay men and women. Mrs.Bustard is one such. She is not in a union. I can’t wait to get her take on these foul folk.


15 posted on 09/18/2011 12:00:08 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

The American Catholic church has sold it soul to unions and the “living wage”. Now it bites them in the butt.


16 posted on 09/18/2011 12:02:48 PM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: icwhatudo

In this economy, anyone with a job that provides wages and healthcare insurance should thank the Lord and drive on.

A raise? Shut the front door.


17 posted on 09/18/2011 12:09:42 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Poetic justice.


18 posted on 09/18/2011 12:10:03 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

This is but another example of unions are fading away. Here are more Luddites. I don’t understand you comment about the gay left in the church in this situation. (I certainly know about the gay left in the church.)


19 posted on 09/18/2011 12:12:29 PM PDT by rcofdayton
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To: freedomfiter2

Get back to the day when we had the Irish Christian Brothers in HS. Caught with cigarettes, no problem. You get to eat the whole pack. Long Hair? No problem, they cut your hair. If your parents complained, they threw you out. This was all good training for the military. Oh, and they had no Teachers Union.


20 posted on 09/18/2011 12:23:06 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: tenthirteen

I believe that unionized Catholic school teachers are not the norm. No catholic school I have ever been involved with had a union. This is Philthadelphia we’re talking about.


21 posted on 09/18/2011 12:28:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: jpsb
I thought Nuns and Brothers taught at Catholic schools, when did that change?

It has never been exclusively religious orders in Catholic schools. When I graduated from a Los Angeles area Catholic high school in 1978 I'd say the faculty was only about 1/3 religious (priests/brothers/nuns.)

22 posted on 09/18/2011 12:40:04 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Excuse me for being ignorant but what is to become of all these students?


23 posted on 09/18/2011 12:44:59 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: Tribune7

Philly ping


24 posted on 09/18/2011 12:46:39 PM PDT by randita (Obama - chains you can bereave in.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Ctholics have an ace in the hole that Public schools do not.

They can just close down and send the kids to public school.

If this diocese is like the Washington Diocese it is losing money on it;s schools every year anyway. Close them down and let these fine teachers find another job.Hire the best back to teach CCD.


25 posted on 09/18/2011 1:00:00 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: ElkGroveDan

Already in the 1950s Catholic grade schools had lots of “lay teachers” because there weren’t enough nuns even then (before the Vatican II-era exodus).


26 posted on 09/18/2011 1:05:19 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: rcofdayton
If I lived in Philly, I'd volunteer to teach for free, just to break this wayward union AND to make sure the kids were learning Catholicism by the Book and not whatever these dedicated deformers are teaching.

May God bless Archbishop Chaput.

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!

27 posted on 09/18/2011 1:05:24 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The angel of the Lord encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them.” (Psalm 34:7))
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Simple solution: close all the schools and put all 700 of those unionists out of work.

Then encourage parents to take over the schools as private independent institutions and hire only those Catholic teachers who conform to parental expectations. The buildings can simply be leased out to the private independent schools for $1 / year.

These schools could use the word “Catholic” in their name as long as the Archbishop is assured that they reflect Catholic values and teaching. If not, they lose the right to be called Catholic and the lease expires after the current school year.

Problem solved.


28 posted on 09/18/2011 1:33:59 PM PDT by veritas2002
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I could be wrong about this but I would bet that this union has never supported a GOP candidate that has advocated school choice. One where tax dollars can be deferred if you move your child out of a failing Philly school into an archdiocese school. In fact I never recall a catholic school teacher’s union anywhere supporting this concept.


29 posted on 09/18/2011 2:02:14 PM PDT by Spaghetti Man (NOBAMA)
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


30 posted on 09/18/2011 2:10:11 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: veritas2002

i like your ideas!
“subcontract” the schools out.

there are a LOT of unemployed people, with good experience, who’d do a good job of teaching, without

“demand salary increases of 14.5 percent”

that’s just insane, in the current economy.
almost like most of these teachers, and their union leadership, WANT the catholic schools to shut down...


31 posted on 09/18/2011 2:14:00 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: veritas2002

I am a Catholic High School teacher in NYC and am part of a union that represents Parish High School Teachers and Elementary School Teachers. Currently, we are working without a contract as we have done several times in the past, while negotiations take place. It is a very difficult environment as scores of NYC Catholic Schools have closed over the past few years due to the economy, rising fuel costs, rising insurance costs, rising health care costs, and the fact that liberals have continually squashed any attempt to approve a voucher program.

I teach in an all boys school where 40 % of the students live in the poorest Congressional District in the United States. The class of 2011 had a 99% graduation rate with a full REGENTS diploma. That’s more than twice the percentage than the NYC Public School system. The annual per student cost for a NYC Public HS student is over $18,000. Ours is about half that. The top pay for a Catholic HS school teacher, Masters + 30 credits and 17 years experience is $60,000 per year. The top Public School pay is more than double that.

We know about the pay issues going in. I can’t speak for Public School Teachers, but what we do in Catholic School is truly a calling to educate young men academically and help them in their spiritual growth. We truly educate the entire student. Our union has never walked out and I don’t honestly know if I could. A different Catholic HS union walked two years ago and the union was broken. I’m quite sure that posters would understand the frustration when the Archdiocese of New York’s proposals start with a 0 % raise and an increase in health care contributions.

These are tough times. Please pray that we work all this out and I ask that you not be so judgemental of Catholic School unions. We don’t have anyone in rubber rooms. We don’t have anyone not working and getting paid. As I stated, our union exists to negotiate contracts, handle health care coverage, pensions, and to provide representation in cases of serious problems between teachers and administration or teachers and students. The days of handling these issues as individuals are long gone. I hope that the Philly teachers work out their issues quickly. As in NYC, for many students, Catholic Schools provide the ONLY way out of the accepted malaise that plagues the inner cities. The need to keep these schools open has never been greater. I hope all see this before its too late.


32 posted on 09/18/2011 2:36:44 PM PDT by cumbo78
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To: jpsb

When I went to Cathoilc schools, most of the teachers were nuns with a few non nuns.
I wished for a teachers strike when I was a kid. Those nuns were aweful.


33 posted on 09/18/2011 2:58:22 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: jpsb

When I went to Cathoilc schools, most of the teachers were nuns with a few non nuns.
I wished for a teachers strike when I was a kid. Those nuns were aweful.


34 posted on 09/18/2011 2:59:44 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Tribune7

Get your uniforms out.They might be going back tomorrow.-Fox news.


35 posted on 09/18/2011 4:51:42 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: jpsb
I thought Nuns and Brothers taught at Catholic schools, when did that change?

About 30 years ago, when young women and men lost the desire to join a religious order. Many looked at the orders, saw they had, in many cases, lost the faith, and made the decision that they didn't want to make a life long commitment to them.

I'd just as soon my kids had a faithful LAY teacher than a wishy-washy nun, brother, or priest.

36 posted on 09/18/2011 4:52:48 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Venturer
Hire the best back to teach CCD.

CCD teachers are volunteers.

37 posted on 09/18/2011 5:20:14 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: cumbo78

Thanks for the explanation, and many good wishes on your success helping your young men succeed.

Not everyone gets raises every year. A few months ago I knew a guy who had taken a 25 percent pay cut. I took an 11 percent cut 4 years ago. If your employer is struggling....

These are terrible times.


38 posted on 09/18/2011 6:00:22 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: cumbo78

I appreciate your insightful and revelant post. I feel I should apologize for jumping in there with strongly adversarial language when I did not know all the facts.

It’s another case of “post first, think later” on my part. Thanks you for corrcting some of my/our misconceptions.


39 posted on 09/19/2011 5:25:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The angel of the Lord encamps all around those who fear Him, and delivers them.” (Psalm 34:7))
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