Skip to comments.Times Atlas 'wrong' on Greenland ice
Posted on 09/19/2011 6:28:21 AM PDT by Labour-Watch
Leading UK polar scientists say the Times Atlas of the World was wrong to assert that it has had to re-draw its map of Greenland due to climate change.
Publicity for the latest edition of the atlas, launched last week, said warming had turned 15% of Greenland's former ice-covered land "green and ice-free".
But scientists from the Scott Polar Research Institute say the figures are wrong; the ice has not shrunk so much.
The Atlas costs £150 ($237) and claims to be the world's "most authoritative".
The 13th edition of the "comprehensive" version of the atlas included a number of revisions made for reasons of environmental change since the previous one, published in 2007.
The break-up of some Antarctic ice shelves due to climate change, the shrinking of inland waters such as the Dead and Aral Seas, and the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented.
But the glossy publicity sheets begin with the contention that "for the first time, the new edition of the (atlas) has had to erase 15% of Greenland's once permanent ice cover - turning an area the size of the United Kingdom and Ireland 'green' and ice-free.
"This is concrete evidence of how climate change is altering the face of the planet forever - and doing so at an alarming and accelerating rate."
The Scott Polar group, which includes director Julian Dowdeswell, says the claim of a 15% loss in just 12 years is wrong.
"Recent satellite images of Greenland make it clear that there are in fact still numerous glaciers and permanent ice cover where the new Times Atlas shows ice-free conditions and the emergence of new lands," they say in a letter that has been sent to the Times.
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It isn’t named ‘GREENland’ for nothing.
When the Vikings settled there prior to the last little ice age it was a green and fertile land along the coasts. The weather patterns shifted a few hundred years later and the populations had to shift with many going back to Norway. Weather by its nature is NOT static; with or without man.
The entire west coast of Greenland was ice-free in the 11th and 12th centuries. Vikings were growing row crops and raising livestock outdoors along the fjords there. The high arctic was so ice-free that walrus hunters could venture north in search of valuta as late as October.
It is well documented in the Icelandic sagas. (Translated from the original runes by Hermione Granger.)
:: due to climate change, the shrinking of inland waters such as the Dead and Aral Seas, and the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented ::
Yes, and heavy petro-fueled industries caused the Great Sauk Sea to disappear in the Cambrian period.
I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but I saw a cool show describing how Greenland is always distorted on world maps. This says it better than I can:
I’m not sure that this counts as breaking news, but the fact that the BBC reported it certainly does qualify.
This is a publicity stunt to sell an overpriced book with little difference from all the atlases on the remainder tables.
A death rattle from the old media.
Most people fail to understand just how much money stands to be made behind the mantra of global warming. Sure, the measures to be taken to combat this “threat” will be costly and will make life difficult, unpleasant and, in some cases impossible, for us commoners but have you seen Al Gore’s house. Life will be good for the selected few.
****The break-up of some Antarctic ice shelves due to climate change, the shrinking of inland waters such as the Dead and Aral Seas, and the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented.***
Bunkum. The Dead sea is shrinking because of the divertion of Jordan river water for irrigation and the mining of the Dead Sea waters for salts and chemicals.
The Aral sea is shrinking due to divertion of rivers for irrigation.
The Colorado River is low due to divertion of water for irrigation and Las Vegas sucks up lots of it from Lake Mead.
>>the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented
I didn’t read the entire article, but a huge WTF on that one. Hello crazy BBC writer, all the water being sucked out of the Colorado River to fuel housing booms in Phoenix, Las Vegas and LA has more to do with that than any climate change.
How could they make the claim that ice, if lost, is lost forever? It seems very unscientific to suggest that forever and always an event of the previous 12 years is irreversible.
What? There really is a Hermione Granger? Wouldn’t she be Weasley by now?
That’s too easy.
There’s no Science anywhere in this entire thing.
It’s just a great big swindle that just happens to use the word “Science” as part of the con.
Recent rainfall is now FILLING all reservoirs along the Colorado river.
Send some of it East, Texas needs it badly, and the rest of the Southeast to a lesser degree. kthxbye
“It is well documented in the Icelandic sagas. (Translated from the original runes by Hermione Granger.)”
I love her work!
And this was directly attributable to the vikings driving around in their gas-guzzling viking-mobiles, their decadent incandescent lights, bloated meat heavy diets, low taxes, and somehow, their owning of fire arms.
I dunno, I think she rune-d everything
Heh, yeah, that must have been the reason, those damned vikings.
There. Fixed it for you.
The idiots actually appear to believe that because some fool f*ed with the map, that must mean reality on the ground was different. Sheesh.
Dittoes the Colorado river, totally oversubscribed, to the extent it has reduced flow.
The Dead Sea, I dunno why it's shrinking. But this illustrates the intellectual bankruptcy of the media, British as well as Amurkin. You just cannot trust any reporter, on anything, any more.
Especially, anything involving a scientific approach.
To journalists today, science is merely an extension of politics. They know nothing of scientific measurement or observation, principles or theories. You could give them a calculator...and they still couldn't tell you how many ounces a gallon, e.g.
And why should they? They were schooled in the public education system.
Unfortunately true for many scientists as well.