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Times Atlas 'wrong' on Greenland ice
BBC ^ | Sep 19, 2011 | Richard Black

Posted on 09/19/2011 6:28:21 AM PDT by Labour-Watch

Leading UK polar scientists say the Times Atlas of the World was wrong to assert that it has had to re-draw its map of Greenland due to climate change.

Publicity for the latest edition of the atlas, launched last week, said warming had turned 15% of Greenland's former ice-covered land "green and ice-free".

But scientists from the Scott Polar Research Institute say the figures are wrong; the ice has not shrunk so much.

The Atlas costs £150 ($237) and claims to be the world's "most authoritative".

The 13th edition of the "comprehensive" version of the atlas included a number of revisions made for reasons of environmental change since the previous one, published in 2007.

The break-up of some Antarctic ice shelves due to climate change, the shrinking of inland waters such as the Dead and Aral Seas, and the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented.

But the glossy publicity sheets begin with the contention that "for the first time, the new edition of the (atlas) has had to erase 15% of Greenland's once permanent ice cover - turning an area the size of the United Kingdom and Ireland 'green' and ice-free.

"This is concrete evidence of how climate change is altering the face of the planet forever - and doing so at an alarming and accelerating rate."

The Scott Polar group, which includes director Julian Dowdeswell, says the claim of a 15% loss in just 12 years is wrong.

"Recent satellite images of Greenland make it clear that there are in fact still numerous glaciers and permanent ice cover where the new Times Atlas shows ice-free conditions and the emergence of new lands," they say in a letter that has been sent to the Times.

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1 posted on 09/19/2011 6:28:29 AM PDT by Labour-Watch
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To: Labour-Watch

It isn’t named ‘GREENland’ for nothing.


2 posted on 09/19/2011 6:32:28 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

When the Vikings settled there prior to the last little ice age it was a green and fertile land along the coasts. The weather patterns shifted a few hundred years later and the populations had to shift with many going back to Norway. Weather by its nature is NOT static; with or without man.


3 posted on 09/19/2011 6:38:38 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Labour-Watch

The entire west coast of Greenland was ice-free in the 11th and 12th centuries. Vikings were growing row crops and raising livestock outdoors along the fjords there. The high arctic was so ice-free that walrus hunters could venture north in search of valuta as late as October.

It is well documented in the Icelandic sagas. (Translated from the original runes by Hermione Granger.)


4 posted on 09/19/2011 6:39:25 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Prepare for Armageddon! Buy brass and lead!)
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To: Labour-Watch

:: due to climate change, the shrinking of inland waters such as the Dead and Aral Seas, and the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented ::

Yes, and heavy petro-fueled industries caused the Great Sauk Sea to disappear in the Cambrian period.


5 posted on 09/19/2011 6:40:25 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Islam is a violent and tyrannical political ideology and has nothing to do with "religion".)
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To: Labour-Watch; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; Genesis defender; 4horses+amule; Carlucci; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

6 posted on 09/19/2011 6:46:53 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Labour-Watch

I don’t know if this has anything to do with it, but I saw a cool show describing how Greenland is always distorted on world maps. This says it better than I can:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/The_Greenland_effect_Why_does_Greenland_look_so_big_on_maps_when_it_is_only_size_of_Texas_X_3_Is_that_what_is_called_the_Greenland_effect


7 posted on 09/19/2011 6:55:02 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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To: Labour-Watch

I’m not sure that this counts as breaking news, but the fact that the BBC reported it certainly does qualify.


8 posted on 09/19/2011 7:03:28 AM PDT by Redcloak (Sans Couth)
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To: Labour-Watch

This is a publicity stunt to sell an overpriced book with little difference from all the atlases on the remainder tables.

A death rattle from the old media.


9 posted on 09/19/2011 8:12:03 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Are you better off now than you were four trillion dollars ago?)
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To: Labour-Watch

Most people fail to understand just how much money stands to be made behind the mantra of global warming. Sure, the measures to be taken to combat this “threat” will be costly and will make life difficult, unpleasant and, in some cases impossible, for us commoners but have you seen Al Gore’s house. Life will be good for the selected few.


10 posted on 09/19/2011 8:16:24 AM PDT by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: Labour-Watch

****The break-up of some Antarctic ice shelves due to climate change, the shrinking of inland waters such as the Dead and Aral Seas, and the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented.***

Bunkum. The Dead sea is shrinking because of the divertion of Jordan river water for irrigation and the mining of the Dead Sea waters for salts and chemicals.

The Aral sea is shrinking due to divertion of rivers for irrigation.

The Colorado River is low due to divertion of water for irrigation and Las Vegas sucks up lots of it from Lake Mead.


11 posted on 09/19/2011 8:43:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: Labour-Watch
Save your money:

FREE map of Greenland
12 posted on 09/19/2011 9:04:04 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

>>the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented

I didn’t read the entire article, but a huge WTF on that one. Hello crazy BBC writer, all the water being sucked out of the Colorado River to fuel housing booms in Phoenix, Las Vegas and LA has more to do with that than any climate change.


13 posted on 09/19/2011 9:05:11 AM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: Labour-Watch

How could they make the claim that ice, if lost, is lost forever? It seems very unscientific to suggest that forever and always an event of the previous 12 years is irreversible.


14 posted on 09/19/2011 9:10:07 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: CholeraJoe

What? There really is a Hermione Granger? Wouldn’t she be Weasley by now?


15 posted on 09/19/2011 10:21:58 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: muir_redwoods

That’s too easy.

There’s no Science anywhere in this entire thing.

It’s just a great big swindle that just happens to use the word “Science” as part of the con.


16 posted on 09/19/2011 10:28:11 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet ((488 and a wakeup) Truth, I know, always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition.)
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To: Labour-Watch
the drying up of rivers such as the Colorado River are all documented

Recent rainfall is now FILLING all reservoirs along the Colorado river.

17 posted on 09/19/2011 10:56:42 AM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: OldNavyVet

Send some of it East, Texas needs it badly, and the rest of the Southeast to a lesser degree. kthxbye


18 posted on 09/19/2011 11:45:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: CholeraJoe

“It is well documented in the Icelandic sagas. (Translated from the original runes by Hermione Granger.)”

I love her work!


19 posted on 09/19/2011 12:46:25 PM PDT by Bramuce
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To: RJS1950
The weather patterns shifted a few hundred years later and the populations had to shift with many going back to Norway.

And this was directly attributable to the vikings driving around in their gas-guzzling viking-mobiles, their decadent incandescent lights, bloated meat heavy diets, low taxes, and somehow, their owning of fire arms.

20 posted on 09/19/2011 1:21:19 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Bramuce

I dunno, I think she rune-d everything


21 posted on 09/19/2011 1:41:31 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii (NUTS!)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Heh, yeah, that must have been the reason, those damned vikings.


22 posted on 09/19/2011 2:01:22 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: OldNavyVet
Recent rainfall snowfall is now FILLING all reservoirs along the Colorado river.

There. Fixed it for you.

23 posted on 09/19/2011 5:40:13 PM PDT by Qout
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To: Labour-Watch
The pathetic green weenies need to re-read Korzybski: "The map is not the territory."

The idiots actually appear to believe that because some fool f*ed with the map, that must mean reality on the ground was different. Sheesh.

24 posted on 09/19/2011 5:55:46 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
The Aral Sea has shrunk to a mere vestige of its former self due to large scale Soviet irrigation and engineering projects. The Aral was dead thirty years ago. "Climate change" had nothing to do with it.

Dittoes the Colorado river, totally oversubscribed, to the extent it has reduced flow.

The Dead Sea, I dunno why it's shrinking. But this illustrates the intellectual bankruptcy of the media, British as well as Amurkin. You just cannot trust any reporter, on anything, any more.

25 posted on 09/19/2011 6:19:19 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
You just cannot trust any reporter, on anything, any more.

Especially, anything involving a scientific approach.

To journalists today, science is merely an extension of politics. They know nothing of scientific measurement or observation, principles or theories. You could give them a calculator...and they still couldn't tell you how many ounces a gallon, e.g.

And why should they? They were schooled in the public education system.

26 posted on 09/19/2011 6:35:21 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01
To journalists today, science is merely an extension of politics.

Unfortunately true for many scientists as well.

27 posted on 09/21/2011 7:23:55 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Compare "Delay is preferable to error" - Thomas Jefferson // "Pass this bill now!" - Barack Obama)
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