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Perry's adrenaline-packed new ad
Politico ^ | September 21, 2011 | JAMES HOHMANN

Posted on 09/21/2011 3:56:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

“PROVEN LEADERSHIP” – PERRY’S NEW AD: Rick Perry’s campaign is launching an epic new bio spot today. The first 40 seconds attack “PRESIDENT ZERO,” juxtaposing eerie images of national stagnation with footage of Barack Obama taking responsibility for the economy. A tornado siren playing over the president’s voice creates a palpable sense of alarm. The last minute of the web ad introduces Perry as a job creator and veteran who believes America’s best days are ahead, rotating sunny images of the country at its best with footage from the Texas governor’s announcement speech. Lucas Baiano, who produced the spot, has signed on with Perry after working for Tim Pawlenty. Watch it: HERE.

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To: fieldmarshaldj

Denial is not really fitting. Your actions are pro Mitt and counter productive. You are however not alone. Others have the pernicious disease as well


101 posted on 09/21/2011 5:34:26 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: McGruff

Puts me in mind of something my dear father-in-law used to say: “A wise man sometimes changes his mind, but a damn fool never does.”


102 posted on 09/21/2011 5:37:51 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Regarding the koolade, I am not a drinker nor a purveyor.

I am not a Perrybot.I am an observer and relate what I actually see and read.

I favor Herman Cain


103 posted on 09/21/2011 5:38:27 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Even as Democrat, Perry voted twice for Reagan, aide says
http://features.rr.com/article/09Mfd1F6JH8Rj?q=republican+OR+democrat+OR+election

The year was 1980, when one in four Democrats voted Republican. They soon became known as Reagan Democrats.

It was not until 1984, when Reagan won an even larger landslide victory against Walter Mondale and expanded Republican identification to 35 percent of the electorate from 28 percent in 1980, that one could say these disaffected Democrats became Reagan loyalists. They were voting for Reagan more than they were voting against Mondale.

Take a lesson from Reagan http://www.brspoll.com/commentary/TakeALessonFromReagan.php?sp=true

And then after Reagan's massive 1984 win, the 1988 election is far closer.

Many people who identified themselves as Democrats voted for Reagan and voted democrat again in 1988. To be shocked that Perry did the same as thousands of others is consistent with many conservative leaning democrats of that time.

104 posted on 09/21/2011 5:43:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The NAME of that candidate would be?


105 posted on 09/21/2011 5:44:54 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Cboldt

Not at all.

I’m tired of discussing this with people who don’t get it even after it is clearly explained to them.

The so called Dream Act is nothing of the sort, really. It means that people will not be investigated for possibly being illegal in order to deny them in state tuition, because everyone is treated the same, if you attend a high school for 3 years and graduate, you will be considered in state, not out of state. You need to get it, once and for all, that without this law, millions of Hispanics could potentially be investigated, simply because they wanted to attend college, on suspicion of being illegal simply because they are Hispanics.

My point about the military tradition of Texas Hispanics is lost on you, obviously.

My point is that those families have been here for generations and it would be a bad thing to be investigated if you were one of them, and so patriotic your families had always served in the military, but you graduate high school and are investigated as a possible illegal because you are Hispanic.

Without the law, which applies to everyone no matter any other considerations, that would always be hanging over people of Hispanic decent in Texas. And in Texas there are so many who are as American and as Texan as I am, who are Hispanics, which I am not. But the ignoramuses throughout the rest of this country look at every one of them as a likely illegal.

And I won’t suffer ignoramuses gladly.

My point about the vote in the TX legislative bodies is that it was so overwhelming, it proves the support was there for this across the board and it is stupid to pretend that it happened because of Rick Perry supposedly being a RINO.

Yes, I said it, stupid and asinine as well.


106 posted on 09/21/2011 5:51:45 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: SumProVita

It’s unfortunate that the generalization keeps getting proven time and time again.


107 posted on 09/21/2011 5:57:33 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

What President secured the border?

What candidate is stronger and has experience dealing with border issues? This was my biggest complaint with Bush.

But, Perry is NOT Bush.

Perry will secure the border as Commander in Chief when he has the authority, the funds and the man power/equipment available to him.

Reagan gave them amnesty and did not secure the border.

I didn’t vote for Reagan the first time either. I was a Texas Democrat too. I switched to Republican because of Reagan’s first term and I did vote for him for re-election.

I have been a Republican every since.

Texas was predominately Democrat in the 80’s.

Texas is now predominately Republican.

Texas Democrats in the 1980’s = Republicans.

The Democratic party left them and they switched to Republican.


108 posted on 09/21/2011 5:59:01 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

WOW!

Zero is toast.


109 posted on 09/21/2011 6:03:44 AM PDT by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen andY let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“...keeps getting proven time and time again.”

Your statement does not negate the fact that it is a sweeping generalization.

Where has this been *proven?*


110 posted on 09/21/2011 6:03:54 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
If one cannot "conclude" that an elected Democrat voted Democrat in the timeframe and was known for supporting liberal Democrats, what can one rationally state ? Perry has already proven his dishonesty with historic revisionism, sending out his supporters to make the claim that Al Gore was a Conservative when he supported him for President in 1988, when that was an outrageous falsehood. At this point, Perry would indeed be "less than honest" when it would come to claiming just exactly which person he voted for. Short of having a photograph in the voting booth, you're not going to have 100% courtroom-level unimpeachable "proof." I will state with 99.999% certainty that my claim based on his record as being a Democrat is correct. If we are to set that impossibly high a threshold here on FR, it will force you and the other AMs to remove an infinite number of posts on an endless number of subjects. I protest I am being unfairly targeted here.
111 posted on 09/21/2011 6:06:03 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Your statement: “It’s that basic dishonesty thing that Perry and his supporters have.”

At this juncture, I am supporting Gov. Perry. I certainly do NOT want Romney....and I have not been dishonest.

By the way, where has Gov. Perry been dishonest?


112 posted on 09/21/2011 6:08:21 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I like this ad...


113 posted on 09/21/2011 6:09:22 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I want a Triple A president for our Triple A country)
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To: thackney

An “aide” says. I don’t believe it. I state that it is an outright falsehood that is part of Perry’s attempts to misrepresent his past liberal affiliations. Willard did the same exact thing. We fully well know liberal/RINO politicians LIE when it suits them.

Again, how do you explain away this “Conservative”’s support for Socialist Al Gore, who opposed Reagan’s agenda ? Giuliani ? It doesn’t pass the smell test.


114 posted on 09/21/2011 6:09:57 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: SumProVita

Filbert Farhart. Stop wasting my time.


115 posted on 09/21/2011 6:10:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Ahhhhh....so you have no cogent response?


116 posted on 09/21/2011 6:12:16 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: TexMom7

Ma’am, there’s so much malarkey in that post, I don’t know where to begin. If you believe Open-Borders Perry will somehow do a 180, I’d like to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn.

“Texas Democrats in the 1980’s = Republicans.”

Demonstrably baloney. You’re talking to a political historian.


117 posted on 09/21/2011 6:12:58 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: McGruff

He changed his mind because of Obama, because people were pressuring him to run including his own family, many many Texans, many many Republicans and because there wasn’t strong Republican candidates running.

Would you feel better if he said, oh well, lets take a chance on 4 more years of Obama?


118 posted on 09/21/2011 6:13:27 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: SumProVita

Read my posts. I’ve only answered that a few hundred times.


119 posted on 09/21/2011 6:13:48 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You don’t believe.

At the same time, Democrats control the majority of the Texas House, Texas Senate and most of the Texas State level elected positions. And Reagan won the state in both elections.

But Perry must have been different from all those other Texas Democrats that voted for Reagan and then remained in the Democrat party. Got it.


120 posted on 09/21/2011 6:14:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: txrangerette
-- My point about the military tradition of Texas Hispanics is lost on you, obviously. --

I don't think so. My observation is that the people in the military are legal citizens or legal permanent residents, so (at least on paper) aren't in the country illegally to begin with. My point is that this group of people is irrelevant to the policy of not inquiring about citizenship before granting in-state tuition in an institution of higher learning.

-- You need to get it, once and for all, that without this law, millions of Hispanics could potentially be investigated, simply because they wanted to attend college, on suspicion of being illegal simply because they are Hispanics --

That "you need to get it once and for all" comes off as a bit hostile. Are you having a bad day already?

I think I understand the effect of the law, and I didn't render any ultimate opinion about it, except that the policy tends to encourage staying in the country illegally. You think encouraging people to stay illegally is a good policy, fine.

As for the Hispanic/racist angle, you are the one raising that. I've had to show evidence of legal residency in order to discern whether or not I would pay in or out of state tuition. It's not a big deal, and it certainly is motivated by racial animus. It just happens that the majority of people in the county illegally, near the southern border, are Hispanic. To say that being against illegal presence in the country is racial animus is a false and frankly, incendiary charge.

As for "investigating millions," all sorts of bureaucratic hurdles are erected "by the million."

-- My point about the vote in the TX legislative bodies is that it was so overwhelming, it proves the support was there for this across the board and it is stupid to pretend that it happened because of Rick Perry supposedly being a RINO. --

That's pretty much what I said. A public policy established by the legislature, is the legislature's doing. I just added the observation that this is true of Romneycare, too.

121 posted on 09/21/2011 6:14:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The ABSOLUELY BEST political ad I’ve EVER seen. GO RICK, GO!!!


122 posted on 09/21/2011 6:16:04 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Cboldt

“state is endorsing (at least pretending to look the other way) an alien staying in the country illegally.”

correction: state is endorsing a child of an illegal who grew up in the state.

The child who was brought over by his or her illegal parents has committed NO CRIME.

Your hung up on an issue that effects 8K to 12K individual kids who are 18 years old.

THAT is what is stopping you from voting for a good solid Republican that can beat Obama.


123 posted on 09/21/2011 6:19:23 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: TexMom7
-- correction: state is endorsing a child of an illegal who grew up in the state. --

I don't think it's a correction, but it's a very reasonable clarification.

-- The child who was brought over by his or her illegal parents has committed NO CRIME. --

I've tried to be careful, saying that the conduct "not being discoruaged," or "encouraged" was illegal presence, and yes, I agree that illegal presence is generally not a crime.

-- Your hung up on an issue that effects 8K to 12K individual kids who are 18 years old. --

I am?

-- THAT is what is stopping you from voting for a good solid Republican that can beat Obama. --

Is that so?

124 posted on 09/21/2011 6:23:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Another exaggeration....or a bit of avoidance technique?
(I’ve read all posts on this thread and you have not answered my question.)


125 posted on 09/21/2011 6:24:07 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore

During his time in Congress, Gore was considered a “moderate” (he referred to himself as a “raging moderate”)[45] opposing federal funding of abortion, voting in favor of a bill which supported a moment in silence in schools, and voting against a ban on interstate sales of guns.[46] His position as a moderate (and on policies related to that label) shifted later in life after he became Vice President and ran for president in 2000.[47]


126 posted on 09/21/2011 6:25:33 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Jim Robinson
If one cannot "conclude" that an elected Democrat voted Democrat in the timeframe and was known for supporting liberal Democrats, what can one rationally state?

You are not being told you cannot state this. You simply cannot state it as factual, and instead need to state it as your opinion. Only Perry knows how he voted, and it cannot be stated as fact unless he has chimed in. Just the well-established demographic of Reagan Democrats shows that there were many crossovers during that time, so a logical opinion can be made the other way as well. So therefore it stands as opinion, not fact, and any claim of factuality not based by independent, confirmable fact will be pulled if we see it or are notified about it.

If we are to set that impossibly high a threshold here on FR, it will force you and the other AMs to remove an infinite number of posts on an endless number of subjects. I protest I am being unfairly targeted here.

Sorry if you feel that being held to a standard of proveablity of factual claims is too restricting. But the mods do pull threads and posts all the time that put forth false claims, as to prevent their promulgation with FR as the source. So you are not being unfairly targeted.

127 posted on 09/21/2011 6:25:47 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: sockmonkey
I will repeat: Texas Democrats, especially those of urban roots were not liberals. I grew up in TX. As has been posted here many times by other former TX democrats, most were more conservative, especially on social issues than "moderate" Republicans are now.

Your point is correct, with one caveat, you have got your terminology backwards. I lived for over a decade in Texas during the 80's and early 90's, consider myself a 'Texan By Choice', and only returned to Carolina because of family responsibilities. It was the Texans with "non-urban" roots who were conservative democrats. The urban centers in Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and of course, Austin, were decidedly liberal even then.

I am not a Perry supporter. I will vote for him if he is the nominee, with great reluctance and sadness, but no illusions. He has many admirable qualities and is 'generally conservative' in a Rorschach blot sense, into which supporters can easily project their own desires, but in reality he's a stealth Trojan horse asset of the transnational globalist elites.

He is 'good ole boy' smart, and adept at reading the national public mood and tailoring his campaigning approach to take advantage of it, but on the big agenda globalist issues that are going to transform and destroy this country as we have known it, he will, once in office, do their bidding.

That said, Perry opponents who keep harping on the factoid that he was 'once a Democrat' are simply wrong and misguided. It's completely irrelevant to the very real arguments for opposing him now.

128 posted on 09/21/2011 6:27:33 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: TexMom7

Madame, I’m from Tennessee. A lifelong resident, in fact. Gore has been a public figure in my state for 4 decades and his father for 4 before that. I have known that imbecilic, dishonest prima donna since I was in short pants. He was not a raging moderate. He was a left-winger. In 1988 he was so left wing that his vote was almost identical to Ted Kennedy. That was the man that Perry supported. Not a Conservative. Not a Moderate. A Socialist left-wing nutter. If you want to continue to use Perry’s talking points to insult the intelligence of people who KNEW Al Gore up close and personal and saw his radical voting record that he misrepresented to us Tennessee “hicks”, it speaks more to your credibility than it does to anything else.


129 posted on 09/21/2011 6:31:37 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Cboldt

I have to say, that even though we may disagree a bit regarding Gov. Perry, I very much appreciate your reasoned and adult conversation.

;-)


130 posted on 09/21/2011 6:33:50 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Demonstrably baloney. You’re talking to a political historian.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore

During his time in Congress, Gore was considered a “moderate” (he referred to himself as a “raging moderate”)[45] opposing federal funding of abortion, voting in favor of a bill which supported a moment in silence in schools, and voting against a ban on interstate sales of guns.[46] His position as a moderate (and on policies related to that label) shifted later in life after he became Vice President and ran for president in 2000.[47]


Reagan was a Democrat before he was a Republican.


For approximately 100 years, from the end of Reconstruction until the 1970s, the Democratic Party was dominant in Texas politics. However, since the 1950s the Republican Party has grown more prominent within the state, and became the state’s dominant political party in the mid-1990s. This trend mirrors a national political realignment that has seen the once solidly Democratic South become increasingly dominated by Republicans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Texas


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

A huge portion of Representatives, Senators, and voters who were referred to as Reagan Democrats in the 1980s were conservative Southern Democrats.

Notable modern and former Southern Democrats

Huey P. Long, Governor, Senator from the “Great State of Louisiana” (a term he coined)
Earl Long, three-term Governor, Louisiana. Paul Newman played him in the movie Blaze regarding the life of Blaze Starr
Lloyd Bentsen, U.S. Senator from Texas and former Secretary of the Treasury
Jefferson Davis, U.S. Senator from Mississippi, President of Confederacy
James O. Eastland, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi
John R. Edwards, former U.S. Senator from North Carolina, 2004 Democratic Vice Presidential nominee, Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 and 2008.
D. Robert Graham, former U.S. Senator from Florida and former Governor of Florida
Richard Russell, former U.S. Senator from Georgia
Lawton Chiles, former U.S. Senator from Florida and Governor of Florida.
Estes Kefauver, former U.S. Senator from Tennessee and 1956 Democratic Vice Presidential nominee.
Lyndon B. Johnson, U.S. Representative and Senator from Texas, Vice President of the United States, and President of the United States (1963–1969)
Jimmy Carter, Governor of Georgia and President of the United States (1977–1981)
Bill Clinton, Governor of Arkansas and President of the United States (1993–2001)
Al Gore, U.S. Senator from Tennessee and Vice President of the United States (1993–2001)
Paul Patton, former Governor of Kentucky
J. William Fulbright, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas and longest-served chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Sam Rayburn, former Congressman from Texas and longest-served Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.
Sam Nunn, former U.S. Senator from Georgia
Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator from Georgia
James Hovis Hodges, former Governor of South Carolina
Fritz Hollings, former U.S. Senator from South Carolina and former Governor of South Carolina.
Olin D. Johnston, former U.S. Senator from South Carolina and former Governor of South Carolina.
James F. Byrnes, former U.S. Secretary of State, former Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, former U.S. Senator, former Governor of South Carolina
John Stennis, former U.S. Senator from Mississippi
John McClellan, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas
Spessard Holland, former U.S. Senator from Florida and former Governor of Florida.
Reubin Askew, former Governor of Florida
Phil Bredesen, Governor of Tennessee
Kathleen Blanco, Governor of Louisiana
Roy Barnes, former Governor of Georgia
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator from Arkansas
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator from Arkansas
David Pryor, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas and former Governor of Arkansas
Dale Bumpers, former U.S. Senator from Arkansas and former Governor of Arkansas
Alben Barkley, former U.S. Senator from Kentucky and U.S. Vice President
Travis Childers, former U.S. representative from Mississippi
J. Bennett Johnston, former U.S. Senator from Louisiana
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator from Louisiana
John Breaux, former U.S. Senator from Louisiana
Edwin Edwards, former Governor of Louisiana
Zell B. Miller, U.S. Senator from Georgia
Terry Sanford, U.S. Senator/Governor from North Carolina
Kay Hagan, U.S. Senator from North Carolina
Richard Shelby, U.S. Senator from Alabama (now Republican)
J. Strom Thurmond, U.S. Senator from South Carolina (Democrat until 1964)
Mark R. Warner, Current U.S. Senator of Virginia, former governor
Douglas Wilder, Virginia Governor, first African-American elected Governor in the U.S.
Woodrow Wilson, former New Jersey Governor (originally from Virginia), President
Ralph Yarborough, U.S. Senator from Texas
Sonny Perdue, current Governor of Georgia (now Republican)
Robert Byrd, former West Virginia Senator and presidential candidate, 1976
Bill Nelson, senior U.S. Senator from Florida
Howell Heflin, former senator from Alabama.
Mike Beebe, Governor of Arkansas.
George C. Wallace, governor of Alabama
Lester Maddox, former governor of Georgia
Joseph Manchin III, current governor of West Virginia and current Southern Governors’ Association chairman
Wendell Ford, former Governor and Senator from Kentucky
A.B. “Happy” Chandler, former Governor and Senator from Kentucky; former Commissioner of Baseball.
Steve Beshear, Governor of Kentucky
Martha Layne Collins, former Governor of Kentucky and one time Chairman of the Democratic National Convention
Ben Chandler, former Attorney General of Kentucky and current Congressman from Kentucky.
Larry McDonald, Former conservative Democrat representative from Georgia
Tim Kaine, former Governor of Virginia and current Chairman of the DNC


131 posted on 09/21/2011 6:36:39 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Quite a good video. It did a good job in showing Obama as another Carter, but on steroids... and then contrasting that with the Perry, using the symbology of Reagan’s ‘shining city on a hill’ ideal.

It really hit hard, without pulling any punches.


132 posted on 09/21/2011 6:40:22 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: SumProVita
-- I very much appreciate your reasoned and adult conversation. --

Thanks. Trying to set a good example. I'm mostly a sparse poster, go through the discussion once, and move on. Signal to noise here is awful; but some of the noise is useful as it suggests directions for independent research.

Have to admit, once in awhile I'll join in a flame war, just for fun. I think I'm pretty good at it, too, although it's about as far from an adult and reasoned conversation that one can have!

133 posted on 09/21/2011 6:41:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Aggie Mama

That is an excellent ad.


134 posted on 09/21/2011 6:42:02 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

135 posted on 09/21/2011 6:45:33 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

I don’t know how much more I can add. I think that because several vocal Perry supporters don’t like what I have to say that I am being unfairly targeted, and that held true when I stood up to the Willard people during the last go-around.

I have seen numerous examples of falsehoods stated and yet they stand unchallenged and unremoved. I again submit you are placing upon me an impossibly high standard... indeed, even if I were personally witness to events, that could still be construed as one person’s word against another, and hence not a “provable fact.” We’re not a court of law, and I think certain accusations made on the weight of the conclusion that 2+2=4, are enough to be permissable.

Am I to assume every one of my posts will be scrutinized for this “factual accuracy” while those of the Perry supporters will not be (short of using obscene language against me or others) ? If one isn’t safe to vigorously challenge a candidate’s fake or questionable Conservative credentials on a Conservative website, I find that quite chilling. I’d like JimRob’s take on this, as it is his website, because I believe this is unfair and arbitrary.


136 posted on 09/21/2011 6:47:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: TexMom7

Why are you copying and pasting links from a notoriously left-wing website ? Have you bothered to look at that list of names, madam ? Huey Long a Conservative Democrat ? He was a Socialist Demogogue from the 1930s. I can go over every single name and confirm or deny the credentials of every one were this not a load of spam.


137 posted on 09/21/2011 6:51:13 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Cboldt

When I said I’m tired of explaining to people who would rather believe and spread lies than accept the truth, I meant it.

That includes you, oh, most definitely it includes you.

I notice you follow me around and post against the truth on numerous threads.

I don’t know if you mean well or, like some, are just mean, nasty liars.

I don’t know you.

But you are tiresome and tiring. You are old, worn out, rung out, dry. Not you but your tiresome falsehoods.

I count you with the worst of the worst we have here, because of what I see repeated and repeated, right in league with the meanest, lowdown prevaricators and vilest language talkers, who wouldn’t care about the truth if their grandmother’s lives hung in the balance on it. Because that’s who you aligned yourself with.

I don’t argue anymore when I have made the truth so clear, it is clear to me the other person cares not a whit.


138 posted on 09/21/2011 6:53:07 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: tarheelswamprat
Your point is correct, with one caveat, you have got your terminology backwards.

Yes, it's too early in the morning for me..I meant rural, and also, if you notice I posted that to myself, instead of the poster who I meant to post it to...

I am imbibing caffeine to correct my foggy brain.

139 posted on 09/21/2011 6:53:14 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Sorry. That was an accident and I should have caught it before I posted. I got carried away with the copy.

Who are you supporting for President?


140 posted on 09/21/2011 6:57:02 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: fieldmarshaldj
I think that because several vocal Perry supporters don’t like what I have to say that I am being unfairly targeted, and that held true when I stood up to the Willard people during the last go-around.

No. I noticed this matter while reading the thread, no one mashed abuse on you, there is no conspiracy, that is all in the log for this thread.

I have seen numerous examples of falsehoods stated and yet they stand unchallenged and unremoved

Like I said, we have to either notice them or be informed of them. If that happens and the claim is not proveable, we remove it.

If one isn’t safe to vigorously challenge a candidate’s fake or questionable Conservative credentials on a Conservative website, I find that quite chilling.

Like I said, you are free to express this particular viewpoint as an opinion. It is odd that you demand the right to present something unproveable as fact when it is indeed your opinion.

I’d like JimRob’s take on this, as it is his website, because I believe this is unfair and arbitrary.

This exchange has been logged, he will see it. This is not being done arbitrarily or in the dark. And it has nothing to do with the candidate in question.

141 posted on 09/21/2011 6:58:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: fieldmarshaldj

-——Stop wasting my time-——

I heard from a feed salesman about his trip to a hog farm.

The farmer was shucking ears of corn and placing them one at a time in the trough where there was a scramble to gobble the ear.

The salesman watched this and sensing the opportunity for a sale asked “Wouldn’t save time and money to empty bags of my feed into the trough”

The farmer replied “What’s time to a hog?”


142 posted on 09/21/2011 7:00:14 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Rats carry plague)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator

First, Rick Perry was not Al Gore’s campaign manager or chairman. He endorsed Gore. He did not chair his campaign.

http://nation.foxnews.com/rick-perry/2011/09/07/politifact-perry-was-not-al-gore-s-tx-campaign-manager

Second, in 1988 Gore was pro-life, pro-guns, pro-defense, and anti-homosexual. His 1988 presidential campaign was the last pro-life Democratic campaign.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=003xoU

Third, Perry is on record as saying he voted for Reagan, twice.

http://m.statesman.com/statesman/pm_21987/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=ZGkCvJQa


143 posted on 09/21/2011 7:01:20 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: All

That ad is GREAT!

I want to see him start doing ads where he just plain talks to the American People.


144 posted on 09/21/2011 7:03:41 AM PDT by TexMom7
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bump


145 posted on 09/21/2011 7:04:22 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Brilliant, powerful ad! Using Obama’s own words contrasted with his results. I’ve been dying to see the Pubs come up with a whole series of ads like this one. And I’ll have to say, this ad exceeds my expectations in terms of its emotional power. This ad really brings home the perfidy of 0bama in a powerfully emotional way. Ads like these have just got to be absolutely devastating to 0bama and the bogus image of him created by the Marxist media. I hope Perry keeps it up with hard-hitting ads like this one.

Another good thing is that this ad indicates Perry has already chosen to run against 0bama and not his primary opponents. That’s the correct strategy too. Perry rises above the fray, looks like a winner, looks like a leader, doesn’t attack friends, and immediately focuses all of his energy like a laser beam on his real enemy: Comrade 0bama.


146 posted on 09/21/2011 7:06:48 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: monocle; Cincinatus' Wife
When rationality fails kill the messenger.

How droll. The problem in these interminable threads is sophists intent on conflating and misconstruing 'rationality' with 'rationalization'...

147 posted on 09/21/2011 7:15:04 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: TexMom7

The same person I’ve supported since 2008. The person who the overwhelming number of people here support.


148 posted on 09/21/2011 7:17:17 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Thank you.

I had not seen that last link before.


149 posted on 09/21/2011 7:18:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Admin Moderator

I’ll await JimRob’s decision.


150 posted on 09/21/2011 7:18:40 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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