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Fox Dallas Fort Worth ^ | Wednesday, 21 Sep 2011 | Lari Barager

Posted on 09/22/2011 10:33:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

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To: little jeremiah
How about the exact same laws that apply to day care providers and centers would apply to private teachers and their schools.

If laws like those now used for day care were common, I see small mini-schools being opened up in neighborhoods and run by trusted teachers. This would be especially adaptable to grades 1 to 8. Maybe some private teachers would choose to teach more sophisticated laboratory courses needed for grades 9 to 12, in places with more space, perhaps rented space in a church.

Now that I think about it, I don't ever recall seeing a Freeper posted article about day care center abuse, but we surely see daily articles about government school teachers being arrested.

251 posted on 09/24/2011 6:09:57 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: little jeremiah
Two things:

1) I have never met a homeschooler with ADD or ADHD who has been homeschooled from the beginning.

2) I have never met an obese homeschooler ( or even overweight one) who has been homeschooled from the beginning.

3) And...None of my patients’ parents have ever reported reading dyslexia in any homeschooler who has been homeschooled from the beginning.

I have seen these two pathologies in homeschoolers who have spent some years in government school and then later are pulled out of the school. ( usually due to learning or behavior problems, or conflict with the staff or curriculum) . In my 30 year career, I have likely known well several thousand families.

Yes, I know these are anecdotal observations but I do think it would be worthwhile for this to be examined in a more scientific manner.

252 posted on 09/24/2011 6:18:31 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: little jeremiah
In fact, Ayers and his ilk have been extremely active in public school curriculum,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ayers, his wife, and others of his ilk, were promoted and mentored by communists who were the ages of my father ( born 1913) and grandmother ( born 1894). There were Marxist sympathizers already well entrenched in the colleges of education decades before Ayers was even born. Communist moles **knew** very well about their communist and criminal past of Ayers and his minions and actively opened opportunities for these domestic terrorists.

Government schooling was a progressive idea from the early 1800s. Teacher training and curriculum development has always been under the control of progressives and Marxists. The goal was **always** been “progressive” more and more toward secularization and godlessness.

Even in the early sixties when I attended Catholic and then later government high school, there were always teachers who were “edgy” and pushing the envelope. And...There was a reason that FDR and his socialist programs were presented as “saving the nation”. There was a reason that colorful and beautiful photos of the U.N were frequently found around these schools and that every year students competed to be part of the mock-U.N. event.

Socialist, One World, Indoctrination! ALL of it! ....even in the early 60s.

253 posted on 09/24/2011 6:40:53 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime
So thank you for admitting that YOU personally abused your children by letting them go to public school when it was CONVIENT for YOU.
You chose to make use of the school system for your own selfish wants. and now you want others to do as you say not as you do.
254 posted on 09/24/2011 6:46:48 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: trisham
If it were up to me, the public school system would be dismantled.

Great I agree with you 100%, we will close all of the Public schools next Friday, Will you be ready with your charter school Monday morning?

How about you take the offer I have made to wintertime, and that she has refused time after time.

I will give you a list of about 15-20 students at my school and you take them for 1 year and prove to me how good your theories are.

255 posted on 09/24/2011 6:51:43 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: little jeremiah; LowOiL
Same offer I made to Winter and Trisham

Great I agree with you 100%, we will close all of the Public schools next Friday, Will you be ready with your charter school Monday morning? How about you take the offer I have made to wintertime, and that she has refused time after time. I will give you a list of about 15-20 students at my school and you take them for 1 year and prove to me how good your theories are.

Unless you are willing to do that you have nothing to say NOTHING!

256 posted on 09/24/2011 6:54:48 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: little jeremiah
The vast amount of money freed up by dismantling the public school system would be startup money for plenty of good private schools, allow working mothers to stay home and home school, and so on.

Great Idea instead of sitting here moaning about the system, you all need to run for public office and do that. I will vote for every one of you, seriously.

257 posted on 09/24/2011 6:56:34 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime

Sounds good. Background criminal check, and maybe the usual already in place regulations about making sure the place isn’t a fire trap, etc. For a school that has more than X number of kids, obviously not applying to home schools.


258 posted on 09/24/2011 6:56:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: verga

Snarking will get you nowhere.

I’d run for office if I could. Unfortunately due to severe asthma I can’t. So I do what little I can do.


259 posted on 09/24/2011 6:58:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: wintertime; little jeremiah
Government on every level must be ended.

I agree Anarchy for the masses.

Now tell me who is rational and who is extremist Little jerimiah

260 posted on 09/24/2011 7:00:46 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga; trisham; wintertime

You’re out of your mind. So wintertime, trisham and I must under coercion take 15 to 20 of your students, or we have no right to say anything.

I have home schooled not only my own children but helped home school many others. I taught kids to read using my own invented materials very quickly and children enjoyed learning when I taught them. But I’m sure that all means nothing to you. Oh, and when my kids did wing up going to public school for a year when I coudlnt’ teach them at home, they both entered the “gifted and talented” track or whatever it’s called because they were so far ahead of their grade. One was in the 95% of everything, the other was in the 95% of everything other than math.

The principal told me they’d likely have to be moved to a lower grade when I first enrolled them, since I was a high school dropout and did not use any regular cirriculum while home schooling. He was shocked beyond belief when he saw how academcally advanced they were.

Sounds to me as though you’re eaten up with something.


261 posted on 09/24/2011 7:02:42 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: wintertime; little jeremiah; trisham
1) I have never met a homeschooler with ADD or ADHD who has been homeschooled from the beginning. 2) I have never met an obese homeschooler ( or even overweight one) who has been homeschooled from the beginning. And i ahve offered to send one that I had two years ago several times and you never seem to respond. Chris XXXX is 100 lbs over weight and is ADD and oppositional defiant. His parents had to send him to pulbic school because mommy couldn't control him. I am willing to be that his mother would pay you to take him.
262 posted on 09/24/2011 7:05:00 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga; wintertime
Government on every level must be ended.

Ahem - for a teacher you seem to fail the "context" issue. Wintertime obviously means in connection with education.

263 posted on 09/24/2011 7:05:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah
Snarking will get you nowhere.

Not snarking at all. If you have a better idea I will contribute to your campagin and go door to door for you.

I choose to work from within the system.

264 posted on 09/24/2011 7:07:20 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: little jeremiah
Sounds to me as though you’re eaten up with something.

Eaten up NO just sick and tied of Wintertime and her ilks whining and doing nothing to improve it. She used the public schools for her own selfish wants and then has the gall to tell me to quit my job and others how to raise their kds when she can't convince her own children to do it.

265 posted on 09/24/2011 7:10:29 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: little jeremiah
Ahem - for a teacher you seem to fail the "context" issue. Wintertime obviously means in connection with education.

Yeah cover for her that is good. This is just one example of her going off the deep end and then trying to say what she "really meant". Keep enabling her, that way she won't get the medical she really needs.

266 posted on 09/24/2011 7:13:00 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime

Once I home schooled a ten or eleven year old girl who had had some public schooling and some home schooling. Her mother couldnt’ handle her and there were family “issues”. I took care of her at my home for about 3 or 4 months. She was way, way behind her age level in everything, could not sit still, could not concentrate, hated any schoolwork, etc. Her handwriting was atrocious. It was a challenge but I loved that child.

So, I worked out a plan (plus I HAD to use the stupid workbooks provided, which made it more difficult). She was allowed to do 20 minutes of schooling, and then 5 or 10 minutes outside to play with the cats or whatever she wanted. We worked on her handwriting very carefully. She received no punishments. We did some other things as well.

After a few weeks, her handwriting was gazillion times better, and she started begging to do more than 20 minutes so she could “finish” things that used to take her days to finish. I wouldn’t let her do school longer until a month or so, then she was allowed 25 minutes of schoolwork and 10 minutes active play.

Each child is different.

Unfortunately when she went back home the previous agenda was followed which was extremely counter productive. But at least she had those months with me, and now as a late teenager, she attends a wonderful private school far away from home and loves every minute of it!


267 posted on 09/24/2011 7:25:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: verga; wintertime
Your anger and bitterness or whatever is bothering you, is making you very unpleasant to deal with. I hope you don't act like this when dealing with your students. And running for office is not the same thing as teaching children. Just because wintertime and I have other ideas about the best way to educate children, therefore we should run for public office?

So you choose to work within the system. Why do people that have differing views than yourself terrify and anger you so much? None of us are telling you that you should quit teaching tomorrow.

Yeah cover for her that is good. This is just one example of her going off the deep end and then trying to say what she "really meant". Keep enabling her, that way she won't get the medical she really needs.

And that comment above shows a total lack of class, politeness, respect and perhaps sobriety.

268 posted on 09/24/2011 7:30:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Marie
...Word spread throughout the school and she got high-fives for weeks after...

Awesome story!

269 posted on 09/24/2011 8:16:11 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (To ACLU & its plaintiffs: Stop dragging the public into your personal struggle w/ God. -Mark Baisley)
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To: little jeremiah
None of us are telling you that you should quit teaching tomorrow. Maybe you need to go back and read some of the posts that have been directed at me on this thread alone.

And that comment above shows a total lack of class, politeness, respect and perhaps sobriety.

WOW, talk about jumping the shark.

A) Like I said go back and read some of the things said to me and about Public high school teachers in general on this thread alone and you will be commending me for my restraint, if you are honest that is.

B) I give the exact same amount of respect that I am my profession receive.

C) I restrict myself to a sip of the Precious Blood a Mass on the weekends due to a medical condition.

270 posted on 09/24/2011 8:42:39 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: sport

I think you misread the article. It was the assistant principal, not the the principal, who suspended the kid. So then, it was the action of the head principal in reversing the other guy’s act of suspension that I was praising.


271 posted on 09/24/2011 9:19:20 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I think that that you are correct. My apologies. Thank you for the enlightenment.


272 posted on 09/25/2011 4:14:58 AM PDT by sport
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To: verga; little jeremiah; wintertime
That would be amusing if it weren't so wrong-headed. I am not for tax-financed schools. Period.

If you want to organize a group of people to school your children, and finance it with your own money, go for it. The citizens of this country are under no obligation to pay to educate your children.

273 posted on 09/25/2011 8:00:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: verga; trisham; little jeremiah
Great I agree with you 100%, we will close all of the Public schools next Friday, Will you be ready with your charter school Monday morning?

This is a starwman. No one here is calling for the the **immediate** shut down of all government schooling on Monday. The vast majority of conservatives recognize that vouchers, tax credits, charters, and gradually charging increasing amounts of tuition at government schooling are policies that would lead to building a private infrastructure. The goal though should be complete shut down of all government schooling and complete separation of school and state. Personally, I think a transition of 15 to 20 would be sufficient time.

But...Let's say the godless and socialist-funded government schools did close on Monday. What would happen?

There would be chaos for about two weeks, but then private organizations would rally. Larger businesses would open schools on site for the children of their workers. Churches would open low tuition or even completely volunteer run schools. Kinder Care and day care centers of this type would hire teachers and add 1st through 8th grade. Former teachers would open "day care" in their homes but they would really be one-room-schools or mini-schools.

There is one exception: By Wednesday, Mormons would have tuition-free schools staffed by highly motivated, highly competent, and well educated volunteers.

How about you take the offer I have made to wintertime, and that she has refused time after time. I will give you a list of about 15-20 students at my school and you take them for 1 year and prove to me how good your theories are

Have you ever looked at the New York Times section that advertises for summer camps? The **private** market fills every possible need for every type of child imaginable: Diabetic, retarded, cerebral palsy, amputees, cancer victims, delinquents, drug addicts, ADD and ADHD. And there are camps for every possible interest: French camps, tennis, soccer, theater, art, sports camps of every kind.

From your statement it appears that you do not want these difficult children and would like to dump them on me.

In a private system of schooling there really would be teachers who would **love** these children, **welcome** these children, have a **talent* for working with these children. It appears than in your school they are seen as a troublesome burden. Hopefully, the teachers in your can restrain their dislike for these children, because if their contempt and dislike bleed through, it would be CHILD ABUSE to emotionally mistreat them in any way.

274 posted on 09/25/2011 8:26:03 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: LowOiL; verga
Please read my response to verga in post # 274.

It is my response to her suggestion that government schools be closed on Monday, and that you or I should take 15 to 20 of her most difficult students.

275 posted on 09/25/2011 8:29:34 AM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: verga

I haven’t read every comment on the thread. I can only speak then for my own comments in regards to people telling you to quit; I didn’t say that.

You need some anger management or something.


276 posted on 09/25/2011 9:49:42 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: wintertime; verga; trisham

Wintertime - Very Well Said! (clapping emoticon!!!)


277 posted on 09/25/2011 9:51:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: little jeremiah; wintertime
Wintertime - Very Well Said! (clapping emoticon!!!)

*************************

Agreed!

278 posted on 09/25/2011 12:55:00 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: wintertime
Okay; Just so I am clear, once again you are all talk and no action.

You want us do do what you say but you refuse to have any skin in the game.

279 posted on 09/25/2011 3:45:12 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime
It is my response to her suggestion that government schools be closed on Monday, and that you or I should take 15 to 20 of her most difficult students.

This is the third time I ahve had to remind you that I am 100% USDA approved MALE. I realize that you have certain ummmm limitations, but sheesh.

280 posted on 09/25/2011 3:49:44 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: EternalVigilance

The truly subversive thing is to say that faggotry is fabulous. Use the euphemism “gay” and you’re playing into their hands,accept their rules of the game.


281 posted on 09/25/2011 3:52:07 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: wintertime; LowOiL; trisham; little jeremiah
The vast majority of conservatives recognize that vouchers, tax credits, charters, and gradually charging increasing amounts of tuition at government schooling are policies that would lead to building a private infrastructure. The goal though should be complete shut down of all government schooling and complete separation of school and state. Personally, I think a transition of 15 to 20 would be sufficient time.

Seriously; Please go for it! You let me know what you are doing besides just talking about it and I will support you 100%.

1) Start a charter school.

2) Run for office.

3) Take in some of the neighbor kids and teach them for free

4) Wintertime convince ALL of your kids to let you have the grandkids aznd teach them.

I will support any eactual effort you make, but I will not support you sitting around doing nothing except whining.

BTW wintertime I am still waiting for you to adress the issue of Chris XXXX, His parents homeschooled him from Kindergarten to 10th grade. When he got to our school he tested at between a 7th and 8th graede reading level. He was approx 100lbs over weight and ADD.

Contact me off list so that I can put you intouch with his parents. They will PAY you to work with him.

282 posted on 09/25/2011 4:09:51 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga; trisham; wintertime

You seem to be under the impression that I or trisham or wintertime want your support. There’s third option other than “support” or “attack”.


283 posted on 09/25/2011 4:14:05 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: verga
I will give you a list of about 15-20 students at my school and you take them for 1 year and prove to me how good your theories are.

We homeschool 4 very normal boys. I will match them up to any average score (even top 20%) of any grade you teach. One son was slow to read, but we waited for him to come into his own a year later and he has accelerated like a trooper (he was always ahead of his grade in math as all my boys were).

That said, do I understand that teachers have problems with students. Yes I sure do. I think the breakdown of the family unit has grandmothers raising kids they should never have had to raise. They are at wits end. I think kids are given an attitude of just doing time at schools. I think gang influence and drugs can make teaching a child near impossible. I think the whole structure of schools where teachers are given no respect from their students is a lose lose situation.

There comes a point where you lose a child's respect. All you can do is make them respect your rules. Teachers are given near impossible standards to achieve and few tools to keep the students in line enough to teach them. Could I teach those 15-20 students any better than you. Yes, but not under the same rules you are given. Like I stated earlier the only option left after losing respect is to still be able to enforce rules to live within. To teach those trouble students would require one to be able to control all aspects of that child's life. From morning rise to sunset bed, a strict regiment of control would have to be enforced. It would be like the army, and love would at first seem a far distant light. Even so, some that are hardened like steel would be a total loss. They would do the minimum required and tough their time out.

That is why it is important to grab children young. The sooner parents lose control of their children, the easier to mold children in a godless society. I think given the results of public schools, if given a choice of being to pick where to send your children (to private instead) at a young age, so many would choose private over public that the system of failure would collapse.

Please forgive typos and spelling, I am not allowed to teach English to the boys, lol. Wife is head of that department. Math and Science is my dept. (w/ lots of elective gun target shooting). I play the job of respect keeper also. The boy's momma is to be respected above and beyond duty. There is no backtalk and it works like a charm in this household.

That said, I do understand a teacher's task is not an easy one. I still believe that public schools with the help of the breakdown of the family set kids up for failure. It would be nice to have that money I am taxed to use toward my kids education without having it decided for me. I could definitely better spend it than the government has. On average people are taxed around 12k per child in public school. One classroom of say 28 children is 784k per year. Do I think a quarter of million in private education situations would be better spent. Yes would be my answer.

284 posted on 09/25/2011 4:20:04 PM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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To: little jeremiah; wintertime; verga

I’m for homeschooling or private schools. Imho, the state and federal government have no authority to demand taxes to pay for government schools. I realize that it’s a wonderful career for some, and that they would for that reason object to ending this system, but that’s not the problem of the taxpayer.


285 posted on 09/25/2011 4:24:01 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: little jeremiah

I am simply calling you on the fact that all you do is talk.
I am willing to support you if you actually do something, but prior experience has shown me that people like you will only talk.


286 posted on 09/25/2011 5:07:21 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: LowOiL
We have friends of ours that have adopted 6 kids from Romania (Not all at once) Each of them was homeshcooled. Dave makes enough money that Melissa can stay home and do that. They are now in the process of adopting a foster child and she will be home schooled as well. They have met some of my students and they have said they would never take my job.

But Like I said I want to change it from the inside. I said this about a year ago: There are two ways that change happens, Evolution and Revolution. With evolution there are fewer bodies in the street. I truely believe in a mutliprong approach. What ever works best for that particular child. Public School, Private, Parochial, Charter school, Homeschooling, Vocational. I don't believe in a one size fits all and I know that there are a lot of Single parents out there that can't do home shcooling, or afford private schools. I feel for them, so I do the best I can with the students I get.

287 posted on 09/25/2011 5:19:34 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga

I commented up the thread about my homeschooling experiences, or some of them. I tutored and home schooled many children over the years.

I’m tired of your nasty aggressive attacks and I won’t respond to any more of them.


288 posted on 09/25/2011 5:20:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Henry Z

You still get no respect. Even less than old Rodney Dangerfield.


290 posted on 09/26/2011 6:04:17 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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