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Secret Fast and Furious Tapes Spring a Watergate-Sized Leak
Human Events ^ | 09/21/2011 | A.W.R. Hawkins

Posted on 09/22/2011 12:28:38 PM PDT by neverdem

When the Watergate break-ins took place in 1972, President Richard Nixon knew nothing about them. But once he found out, he acted quickly to keep them secret, and it was his role in the cover-up that eventually led to his resignation in August 1974. Excerpts of recorded conversations between figures in the Operation Fast and Furious U.S.-Mexico gunrunning scheme are becoming ominously reminiscent of the 1970s watershed event in American politics.

In the historically monumental Watergate scandal, Nixon’s role in the cover-up was verified when he handed over personal tape recordings of conversations he’d had in the Oval Office on the subject.

That was 1974, and this is 2011, and in an eerie twist of fate, another batch of recordings has turned up that might reveal more about Fast and Furious than the current administration wants anyone to know: In fact, it might create more of a storm than Obama & Co. can weather.

The recordings, which seem to have been made in March 2011, are of conversations between Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Ariz., and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) agent Hope McAllister. Lone Wolf was one of the gun stores used for Fast and Furious sales to straw purchasers.

Although the recordings have been turned over to congressional investigators and the Inspector General, excerpts that were released to the public make it sound like the gun dealer was extremely concerned that news of Fast and Furious was going to reach a House member or senator who would take action on it.

Howard’s concern arose from a March 9 letter from Rep. Lamar Smith (R.-Tex.) and other members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, demanding that Attorney General Eric Holder come clean about Fast and Furious. The House committee had been spurred into action by the testimony of ATF whistle-blower John Dodson.

Of the four excerpts released to the public, the first one best demonstrates the angst of those involved in the operation and the necessity for everyone, including Holder, to be sure their stories matched up:

HOWARD: "[Dodson’s] more toxic than you realize. I can tell you because I asked him, 'How much of this f-----g file did you release?' ”

McALLISTER: "Mmm hmm."

HOWARD: "He said basically the underlying case file. I said, 'Okay, who’d you release it to? F-----g [Sen.] Patrick Leahy!' Okay? Wasn’t just [Sen. Chuck] Grassley, it was Leahy, alright? Leahy, as we both know, has adjourned this inquiry right now, okay, with no plans to reconvene it. So your people were successful to that end." (Italics added.)

McALLISTER: "Right."

HOWARD: "Obviously that’s good. However these idiots from …"

McALLISTER: "… The House?"

HOWARD: "Yeah, and that I don’t know. What is troublesome with this [is] I expected [Rep.] Darrell Issa’s signature to be on this [but] it wasn’t. He’s your biggest thorn. He hates Holder."

McALLISTER: "Yeah. Where’s he out of?"

HOWARD: "Darrell Issa?"

McALLISTER: "California."

HOWARD: "Lamar Smith, you know’s, out of Texas, I don’t know. Holder has to respond to this tomorrow."

McALLISTER: "Yeah, he’s gonna respond."

HOWARD: "I know he is. And I assure you the media isn’t gonna like his response, because basically it’s gonna mirror what he’s told Grassley."

McALLISTER: "Yeah."

HOWARD: "He can’t deviate." (Italics added.)

McALLISTER: "Well if, I mean, I’ve seen a rough copy of what our U.S. attorney here has sent up. Whether or not he has the balls to actually use it or not, I doubt it. But I mean, it’s pretty aggressive. The way I see it, our local U.S. attorney is extremely aggressive. [But] when it gets to D.C. …"

HOWARD: "Who, [Assistant U.S. Attorney] Emory [Hurley]?"

McALLISTER: "No, the U.S. attorney."

HOWARD: "Burke, yeah, used to work under Clinton. …Talking about [Dennis] Burke?"

McALLISTER: "Mmm hmm."

HOWARD: "Yeah, well ..."

McALLISTER: "But the problem is, once it gets to D.C., it just gets … well, you know."

HOWARD: "Discombobulated—that’s a good term for it. Yeah, I get that."

Even from a cold transcription, it’s evident that Howard is as nervous as a cat about Fast and Furious becoming public knowledge. It’s also evident that McAllister is confident of how U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke had handled things, but not very confident about how things will go once everything is shifted to D.C. It is important to note that Burke was the one who tried to cover up the ties between the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Fast and Furious. He retired last month without facing any criminal prosecution for his role in the mess.

Interesting too, is that as Howard wraps up the first excerpt of the recordings, it appears he understood how widespread the federal involvement in Fast and Furious had been. He knew that it wasn’t just the ATF, but the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the FBI too:

HOWARD: "Let me tell you, you got more people out there now talking about this f-----g thing than anything I've ever seen. … People are not shutting the hell up … and that goes from DHS to f-----g FBI to everybody. I’m hearing it hypothetically on every fringe."

Judging from the tenor of these recordings, particularly the consternation on the part of Howard, these excerpts may only scratch the surface of the immensity of the crimes hidden behind the door marked Fast and Furious.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batfe; batfeisajoke; corruption; democrats; fastandfurious; fraud; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; impeach; obama

1 posted on 09/22/2011 12:28:40 PM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 09/22/2011 12:30:22 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: neverdem

will we see this in MSM?

This is outrageous and still obamites ignore
apparently there is nothing 0dumbo and his minions can do that open their eyes


3 posted on 09/22/2011 12:35:16 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: neverdem

People best start volunteering information or a lot of them will go down when this whole thing comes to a head. By “going down”, I mean jail time.


4 posted on 09/22/2011 12:35:16 PM PDT by RC2
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To: neverdem

There are a lot of people who should be looking at hard time here. But the Republicans lack the stones and the Democrats lack to moral fiber to do anything about this.


5 posted on 09/22/2011 12:36:14 PM PDT by hometoroost (Frodo lives!)
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To: MestaMachine

Nothing to see here folks, just a mass of space junk in the sky, move along, move along...


6 posted on 09/22/2011 12:38:33 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: neverdem
These recording make one wonder about the relationship between ATF and the dealer. It seems really odd to have a conversation like that with what is essentially a confidential informant.

Without even getting into the violation of export laws, stepping on the toes of the State Dept., and unleashing weapons onto the streets of Mexico, this isn't the way anybody else conducts a criminal investigation.

It is safe to say that even the most paranoid foil hatted conspiracy theorist would have a tough time expecting an operation this messed up.

7 posted on 09/22/2011 12:39:09 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MestaMachine

That hideous head of the DNC woman was on TV this morning giving talking points that ALL of the problems are because of the EXTREME tea party takeover of the republican party.Mark her words in evil propaganda history as it is the extreme takeover of the democratic party that is ruining America.Have we ever had a more corrupt radical president historically?Everyone forgets even dems calling to Impeach Obama over going to war w/o going to congress.Then we have FAKE GREEN COMPANY ponzi slush funds Gate and fast and furiousGate.Yet the Obama’s are headed out for another vacation. IT IS INSANE!


8 posted on 09/22/2011 12:40:51 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: neverdem
Sounds like Leahy should be subpoenaed too.
9 posted on 09/22/2011 12:41:17 PM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: neverdem
Leahy, as we both know, has adjourned this inquiry right now, okay, with no plans to reconvene it.

So Leahy was supposed to bury this???

10 posted on 09/22/2011 12:42:17 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: dps.inspect

lol


11 posted on 09/22/2011 12:44:23 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: neverdem

Watergate?

So “Fast and Furious” is nothing more than the cover-up of a third rate burglary, amplified into the “story of the decade”, by the anti-American CommieMedia?


12 posted on 09/22/2011 12:45:22 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: neverdem

The lesson is that they WERE, in fact, going to hang out to dry the man who trusted them —who was willing to HELP them.

If this dealer had not been suspicious and scared, he would be sitting in prison (maybe for life) right now.

If you TRUST these people you are STUPID.

History —what was the FIRST thing the FBI/ATF did as most of the fire died down on the smoking embers of Mount Carmel? They **raised the ATF flag on those very embers**, and filmed themselves doing it.

These were the people who were going to set up Richard Jewell too —they are CRIMINALS.


13 posted on 09/22/2011 12:47:14 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gaijin

That the Legacy Media ignore this is something I have come to expect, not that it matters, since in 5 years they will all be gone.

The part that really bugs me is how Rush and Drudge both are really giving this short shrift.

This material is TAILOR MADE for them.

Roll the clocks back 12 years; pretend that you and your friends just learned of Monica’s dress.

Ya think Drudge would spike THAT story?

Cuz that’s what he’s doing now —200 poor brown Mexican people are dead with F&F guns, according to the Mexy Attourney General.


14 posted on 09/22/2011 12:51:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: neverdem
When the Watergate break-ins took place in 1972, President Richard Nixon knew nothing about them. But once he found out, he acted quickly to keep them secret, and it was his role in the cover-up that eventually led to his resignation in August 1974.

Big difference.

Then the MSM hated Nixon. Now it goes beyond love for Obama.

ML/NJ

15 posted on 09/22/2011 12:51:03 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

Fast and Furious — just like Watergate except with murder.


16 posted on 09/22/2011 12:51:47 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the first dumbass Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Armando Guerra

Yeah sounds fishy.Hasn’t Grassley has said he won’t call for a special prosecutor but he thinks it is warranted?The justice dept and Obama are corrupt beyond words if the ones that we have safeguarding this are also on the take we are all doomed.Our government IS the Soprano’s.


17 posted on 09/22/2011 12:53:13 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: Sparticus
Wow! A reply completed in under 45 seconds!

ML/NJ

18 posted on 09/22/2011 12:53:50 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: hometoroost

But the Republicans lack the stones... I emailed both my Reps. (Toomey and empty suit Casey) about this HUGE scandal and got emails about everything the MSM has said about it. I don’t need that crap. What the Hell are YOU doing about this?


19 posted on 09/22/2011 12:54:53 PM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: EyeGuy
by the anti-American CommieMedia?

By the anti-Republican American CommieMedia.

Otherwise it would have been a non-story. The break in story would have been spiked if it were a break in at the offices of the RNC.

20 posted on 09/22/2011 1:00:42 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: RC2
With 400 murders to account for in just Mexico this jail time is going to be spent in Mexican jails ~ and not the better sort they put American drunks in for the weekends.

Nosirreebob, those Mexicans got jails that make the Turks shiver!

There are young people in every federal police agency in Washington and in the various regional and division offices who know something about all of this. They may not know it all but they know something. They need to come over to the side of the angels and get hold of Representative Issa's office and start fessing up and naming names. Else their federal career is going to crash and burn!

21 posted on 09/22/2011 1:01:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RWGinger

Leahy dropped his investigation. He be the first socialist democrat I’d throw in jail. When the full truth of this idealogical political fraud is revealed there will be many heading to sing sing. One thing that’s happened. Obama and Hillary don’t have to “Work under the Radar” any longer on gun control I think they along with Holder and the rest of obama’s commie appointees have been detected and are being tracted right now by the Issa and Grassley radar.


22 posted on 09/22/2011 1:01:20 PM PDT by spawn44 (spawn44)
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To: neverdem
I remember the evening "news" on the TV networks back then.. sometimes Watergate was the only thing reported. Even from the very first mention of "proof" of a Nixon connection it was THE story.

A google news search got About 1,870 results for a news search for "fast and furious" (with the quotes)

The skid marks on Journalism's shorts seem to be handling this is the usual manner: No Bush, No action. Run away!

What guidelines have the Society of Professional "Journalists" given the employees of MSM?

Within days of 9/11 the "Journalists" organization was out saying.. don't you dare mention Muslims and terror in the same article! But if you absolutely must.. then include examples of domestic terrorists like the people opposed to abortion.

23 posted on 09/22/2011 1:10:40 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: EyeGuy

—So “Fast and Furious” is nothing more than the cover-up of a third rate burglary, amplified into the “story of the decade”, by the anti-American CommieMedia?—

My take is that the evidence is equally conclusive. The actual crime is several orders of magnitude worse.


24 posted on 09/22/2011 1:17:13 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RWGinger

“will we see this in MSM?”

The answer to your question is no. There are literally no MSM people willing to investigate this.


25 posted on 09/22/2011 1:30:30 PM PDT by detective
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To: neverdem
McALLISTER: "Mmm hmm."

Is he singing the Obama song?

26 posted on 09/22/2011 1:35:39 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

“By the anti-Republican American CommieMedia.”

####

I don’t consider the collectivist “Democrats” actual Americans. On multiple fronts and via the deployment of various, truly evil methodologies, they have been working to destroy the United States, as we have known it, for decades.

Thus I felt the “Republican” modifier, unnecessary.


27 posted on 09/22/2011 1:36:13 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: USNBandit

This conversation sounds more like co-conspirators than a lawman and a CI.


28 posted on 09/22/2011 1:38:31 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Safetgiver

I’m going to send an email - that’ll show them.


29 posted on 09/22/2011 1:55:51 PM PDT by hometoroost (Frodo lives!)
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To: Safetgiver

I emailed Fitzpatrick three times about F&F, so far.

No serious reply from him but I think I got put on another list!;^)

You raised a good point by asking, What the Hell are YOU doing about this?.

I’m fairly certain that the folks following this tragedy here have contacted their political overlords. Sharing any responses received would be an interesting and perhaps enlightening read.


30 posted on 09/22/2011 2:39:36 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: neverdem

Watergate was Watergate only because the press would not let the story die.

In this case, the press won’t let the story live.


31 posted on 09/22/2011 2:43:42 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: cuban leaf

“—So “Fast and Furious” is nothing more than the cover-up of a third rate burglary, amplified into the “story of the decade”, by the anti-American CommieMedia?—

My take is that the evidence is equally conclusive. The actual crime is several orders of magnitude worse.”

Dead Federal agents as a result of program designed to undermine the Second Amendment to the Constitution, that the culprits swore to uphold. Yea, can’t get a whole lot worse than that. Not without the use of foreign troops trying to do the same thing anyway.


32 posted on 09/22/2011 3:16:35 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Anything us common citizens can do to see that traitor Leahy doesn’t dodge or finesse his way out of his due justice?


33 posted on 09/22/2011 3:18:22 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: neverdem

Bump.


34 posted on 09/22/2011 3:28:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Truth is the first object.' -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dangerdoc

Yep.Just like Valerie Plame.And see Dan Rather’s non career because he tried to politically destroy Bush.Nowadays bloggers create BC’s and the WH posts them.Nowadays there is factcheck.org,snopes,daily kaos,Du,Huffy,fightthesmears,and the newly arrived ATTACK WATCH!PBS,NPR and all of the other alphabet government run channels.Obama’s alinsky tactics have run dry.I think the tea party really freaked them out bad.

Think about how not long ago the tea party was racist nazi freak paid astroturfers.NOW they are sponsered with CNN for the debates.


35 posted on 09/22/2011 3:38:37 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (PDS=someone that doesnt dream dates up of a Palin announcement;nor act as Palins campaign manager)
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To: EyeGuy

“Watergate?

So “Fast and Furious” is nothing more than the cover-up of a third rate burglary, amplified into the “story of the decade”, by the anti-American CommieMedia?”

re you kidding? It was a deliberate act to arm terrorists on the border and in Mexico which resulted in the deaths of an as yet undetermined number of people, and then the covering up that the highest levels of our government may have been party to and approved it. If proved, it is called “high crimes and misdemeanors and warrents prison time for all involved. It has also been called an act of war against Mexico.


36 posted on 09/22/2011 4:54:39 PM PDT by rickyc
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To: rickyc

Ummmm.

I’m not the one that compared it to Watergate.

In fact, I was the one that ridiculed that juxtaposition.


37 posted on 09/22/2011 6:17:34 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

I agree. I was speaking more toward the specific motivations for the reporting and escalation of the Watergate scandal by the media back in those days. They still were afraid of exposure and still hid their motives under a contrived cloak of ‘journalistic professionalism’.


38 posted on 09/22/2011 6:33:15 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: RWGinger

“will we see this in MSM?”

Hell no!!!! colonoscopy anyone?


39 posted on 09/22/2011 8:29:29 PM PDT by jivin gene (Breakin' up is hard to do)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

It is my take that like these tapes, Issa and Grassley have much more that they know and they are going to string this out until heads do roll.


40 posted on 09/22/2011 8:49:02 PM PDT by Eaglefixer
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

It is my take that like these tapes, Issa and Grassley have much more that they know and they are going to string this out until heads do roll.


41 posted on 09/22/2011 8:52:46 PM PDT by Eaglefixer
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To: neverdem

The most anti-gun administration in history... wouldn’t it just beat all if their president is impeached for gunrunning: LOL!

That’s the thing with irony... it’s just so ironic.


42 posted on 09/22/2011 9:03:03 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: gaijin
If you TRUST these people you are STUPID.

Remember when Wayne LaPierre pointed that out very bluntly, 20 years ago, about the ATF raids, and he called them "jackbooted thugs"?

And old Poppy Bush threw a hissy and resigned his NRA membership? (Good.)

Wayne's looking better all the time, and old Poppy's bunch are looking feebler, nastier, and more duplicitous.

43 posted on 09/22/2011 10:59:08 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Eaglefixer
Issa and Grassley have much more that they know and they are going to string this out until heads do roll.

Good take. That is my hope. This issue cannot be allowed to simply slide off the radar. Those involved are scared shiiteless over this. They got caught big time. Exactly who all of those involved are remains to be seen. Perhaps that is part of the Issa/Grassley play. To effectively flush the game before loosing the hounds.

44 posted on 09/23/2011 5:38:02 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: neverdem

I too find Andre Howard’s conduct odd. If he was just cooperating with the ATF and letting guns “walk” at the ATF’s direction, then I don’t understand why he is so personally invested in the coverup.


45 posted on 09/23/2011 7:05:44 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: MurrietaMadman

Sorry, I was so disgusted I felt “Meh” and deleted it. As far as I’m concerned, Toomey (who I screamed and helped in his elected process) is just another jizz-bag. I want someone who will do the screaming, yelling and kicking the door down FOR me. FORGETABOUT anyone trying to be polite, being congenial (is that redundant?) and being a pussy. I want indictments, jail time and, yes, if need be, capital punishment for these bastards on both sides of the aisle.


46 posted on 09/23/2011 12:33:29 PM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Safetgiver

Meh. I spend months at a time there.

You know how others tell us to hold our nose and vote? I do that when I contact my congressional office. But politicals do respond to contacts. The No Amnesty effort earlier this year proved that. Yeah, the Amnesty issue is still lurking about but it was stopped in congress by calls and letters.

F&F could be pushed the same way if more people would take a little time and effort to condemn the lack of Republican interest in this murderous attack on the people of two nations by the out of control executive branch.

The way I see it, right now the politicians ignoring F&F are accomplices to that crime. But if we fail to apply political pressure, the murder of Brian Terry and who knows how many Mexicans is shared by all of us. Not to mention the Constitutional hit we’d be responsible for.

One more thing. If this story is making it to a ‘boomer women’s’ website, I’d say it’s gaining traction.

http://www.thirdage.com/news/border-patrol-agent-killed-in-arizona-confronted-armed-bandits_09-10-2011


47 posted on 09/23/2011 11:17:53 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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