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Perry: "I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal
weeklystandard ^ | Thursday September 22, 2011 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 09/22/2011 8:06:48 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Full title: Perry: "I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal Immigrants

Perry's response was forceful and personal. "I don't think you have a heart," Perry told his critics.

"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," Perry said. "We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature when this issue came up [there were] only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it today."

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KEYWORDS: amnesty; byebyeperry; debates; dreamact; illegals; immigration; openborderperry; palin; perry; perry4dreamact; perry4illegals; perry4openborders; perryisademocrat; rickperry; rino; rinoperry; sarahpalin; texas
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To: Clyde5445

I read it twice. Slowly. What exactly did she say?

She’s proud of Jan Brewer for standing up for the constituents of her state? Well Perry did too.

When you have a near unanimous vote for the Texas Dream Act, signing it is just standing up for the constituents of the State of Texas.

Does Sarah Palin think the Texas Dream act should have been vetoed? I frankly can’t figure out what her position on illegal immigration is or how it differs from Perry.


101 posted on 09/22/2011 8:55:44 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: nopardons
The Republican base is an embarrassment to Romney too, how can one vote for a man who has no respect for me?

Perry saying we have no heart...breaks my heart.

The GOP is dead, they just don't know it yet.

102 posted on 09/22/2011 8:55:51 PM PDT by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: icwhatudo

ROTFLMAO!! Brilliant.


103 posted on 09/22/2011 8:55:54 PM PDT by sklar
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To: Bigtigermike; All

I think the Palin/Cain express just left the station.


104 posted on 09/22/2011 8:56:06 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: sklar

You took the words out of my mou..er..brain!


105 posted on 09/22/2011 8:56:08 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: LongWayHome

Perry DOES have good points. But Illegal immigration, once dealt with, would have a cascade effect on many other economic and sociopolitical issues we have. RP just is a part of that problem. His own words/policies make it clear he will not be the man to lead us out of the desert.

There are better choices. Cain..Palin...even Newt for all his considerable baggage (and I’m stretching on that one) but it is what it it. Perry is in bed with the LaRaza and other race groups when it comes to illegals in America. He can’t duck it. He and his supporters can try but the Gen Pub ain’t likely to go along with it.


106 posted on 09/22/2011 8:56:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Friendofgeorge
I was wondering if someone else had picked up on that.

That whole focus group were complete IDIOTS !

107 posted on 09/22/2011 8:56:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Bigtigermike

I have a heart for law abiding American citizens who have to live under politicians who won’t enforce our border security laws. Who try to guilt us for wanting a country NOT full of illegal aliens. That’s just a liberal tactic right there.

NO offense but he’s just digging a bigger hole.


108 posted on 09/22/2011 8:57:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: TwoSwords

Shhhhh!!!!! be quiet or you’ll spill the beans to the Germans


109 posted on 09/22/2011 8:57:54 PM PDT by Bigtigermike
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To: Bigtigermike

This is the part of the debate where Perry lost my vote. I had been leaning Perry. A friend at work had already made up his mind and was all in for Perry. He just sent me an email after the debate. Perry lost him too. These damn politicians need to start taking illegal immigration seriously.


110 posted on 09/22/2011 8:58:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gives them $535 million and they take "the fifth" when asked where it went.)
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To: Gene Eric

Governor of a border state filled with illegals and President of the USA are two very different things.

Other than that, Dunno, I am a Zonie, not a Texan. You want illegals here? Do you? Yes/No?

Simple. Vote Perry, get more.


111 posted on 09/22/2011 8:58:41 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Jvette
I'm with Perry on this, and I'm a native Texan.

Those people live here. We didn't invite them or bring them in. Neither did Perry. Neither did Bush or Anne Richards. They came on their own, over decades of time.

Their kids grew up here. They played sports with our kids. They attended the same schools. We didn't invite them or encourage them to come here. I'm a parent and my kids attend school with them.

So they reach high school age and want to attend college and better their lives. They're essentially Americans, this is the only place they know. You let them pay tuition just like any other resident of the state. Not out of state tuition. Because they live here and their parents pay state and local taxes, and property taxes. Why make them pay out of state tuition when they've been residents for 4-6-11 years? Why tell them they CAN'T attend college?

They comprise only 1% of college freshmen in Texas. The whole matter is overblown. Hardly any of them ever apply for college. The ones that can earn the grades, I say let them have a shot just like any other person who's grown up here.

I know I'll get blasted and insulted for this position. I still believe in it. Perry may go down in flames but I think he is right. He signed a bill with only 4 dissenting votes. So I'm not the only one who shares the position.

112 posted on 09/22/2011 8:59:05 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: Gene Eric

“If Perry is such a louse, why was he elected Governor of Texas?”

Probably for the same reasons Arnold was elected Governor of California.


113 posted on 09/22/2011 8:59:15 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: roses of sharon
That entire group, on stage, is a complete EMBARRASSMENT !

And for those who think otherwise, they are in great need of an education; not to mention ice water thrown over their collective heads.

A shovel ready job opening? Grave diggers for the GOP;sadly.

114 posted on 09/22/2011 9:00:05 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Grey Eagle

He knew he needed the Hispanic vote for election so he was never going to veto this with the overwhelming vote of the legislature. He’s boxed in a corner on this issue.


115 posted on 09/22/2011 9:00:21 PM PDT by Froggie (uires)
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To: Bigtigermike
It's going to be interesting to listen how old Rushbo is going to try and spin this foot-n-mouth disease remark by Perry on Fridays broadcast. Rush is great at spin control but he will have to do double time duty to spin it this time. Sorry Rush, looks like you hitched your horse to a loser this time around.

I thought that maybe you learned your lesson after helping Jorge Bush get re-elected to his second term. You sounded like you learned but now I'm not so sure. You fell for the 'Anybody But Obama' syndrome and look what has happened to you now. Perry shot himself in both feet and now doesn't have a leg to stand on. Kind of embarrassing isn't it!? Maybe you'll start beating the bushes for Sarah now.

116 posted on 09/22/2011 9:01:12 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: roses of sharon; xzins; wmfights
Perry saying we have no heart...breaks my heart.

Lets say you were dragged here by your parents when you were 5 and you grew up in Texas and believed you were a Texan and you worked hard and graduated from Texas high school and got good enough grades to get into a Texas State University, what should Texas do to you? Send you back to Mexico, a country you've never been to? Deport you? (BTW only the Federal Government can deport you)?

What should Texas do to you?

If you think we should treat these children like the criminals they aren't, then I'd have to say yes you do not have a heart.

117 posted on 09/22/2011 9:01:24 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Bigtigermike

Perry still has me. He said nothing different tonight then he’s been saying. It was voted on at the state level, it passed.


118 posted on 09/22/2011 9:01:38 PM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Matthew 12:36)
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To: Bigtigermike

I am having a really hard time getting past this. I like a lot of what Perry says but he is wrong about a fence. We can certainly build a fence. We put men on the Moon for crikes sakes. This instate tuition for illegals is just not resonating. I do not want to fight that amnesty fight again. I think this issue is really hurting Perry. Mitt looked good tonight and I swore in 2008 I would never vote for Mitt. Newt and Herman were not too shabby either.


119 posted on 09/22/2011 9:01:53 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Ditto. Where are the Perry supporters? I’ve been perusing these threads waiting for them to come to his defense. They are mia so far. Perhaps they are in a meeting trying to come up with something, anything, to spin his failure. Or maybe they’re busy picking the rose-colored glass slivers out of their eyes.


120 posted on 09/22/2011 9:02:14 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: reaganaut

Romney is ‘too’ smooth (but he had the last election to practice)
Perry is NO conservative-especially on ‘illegals’
Bachmann is a fine lady BUT not strong enough to be Pres
Newt and Cain are both fine (are they electable?)
However, I WILL vote for whoever gets the nomination for if I don’t the Obamanation may get back in-—please do not sit this one out under any circumstances


121 posted on 09/22/2011 9:02:21 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: mikhailovich
I'm with Perry on this, and I'm a native Texan.

You're brave.

But then that is what us native Texans are known for. :-)

122 posted on 09/22/2011 9:03:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: nopardons; Friendofgeorge

Well Luntz did a focus group in Iowa awhile ago and asked about Palin 80% of them wanted Palin to run. It was funny because Luntz almost jumped out of skin he was so shocked.


123 posted on 09/22/2011 9:04:26 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin:"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: Sun
IOW a fifteen year-old runner who made good living sneaking across the border with loads of drugs, and who decided he liked the welfare and other bennies Texas offered, and decided to stay, only has to hang out for three years in order to get a huge tuition tax break at some Texas University.

A DAR pillar of the community from just across the state border in Arkansas who wants to go the same University, is SOL.

Yeah, that makes sense.

If you're Jorge Arbusto maybe.

124 posted on 09/22/2011 9:04:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: P-Marlowe

Are we a nation of laws or men’s hearts?

Simple question with a simple answer.

My heart is for the citizens of America and their families now unemployed and suffering. When we fix US, we can deal with them. Or better, let Mexico deal with their own.


125 posted on 09/22/2011 9:04:56 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike
"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," Perry said. "We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society.

Ok, I have no heart. IMHO, it's damned heartless to force American taxpayers to pay for their K-12 education. It is irrational to educate people who can not legally work here. Unless, of course, your goal is to push for their legalization. Then you'll use the, "We've already paid to educate them. It would be a waste of money not to make them legal so we can use their education."

126 posted on 09/22/2011 9:05:16 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: P-Marlowe

You are right on this. I’m with you.


127 posted on 09/22/2011 9:05:24 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: roses of sharon
Don't forget...McCain also called us hobbits. A good rule of thumb, NEVER nominate a candidate that is embarrassed by his/her own political base.

Good base line. . .works for me.

128 posted on 09/22/2011 9:05:38 PM PDT by cricket
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To: roses of sharon
Don't forget...McCain also called us hobbits. A good rule of thumb, NEVER nominate a candidate that is embarrassed by his/her own political base.

Good base line. . .works for me.

129 posted on 09/22/2011 9:05:43 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Bigtigermike

It’s time to have a heart and be concerned about the hard pressed citizens of the USA subsidizing illegals, and also competing with them for scarce jobs, and thanks to Gov Perry subsidizing their college education too.

Newt kind of concerned me too when he pulled the classic politico deflect and dodge when he was asked about whether employers should use “e-verify”? He never really answered the question except to say he’d ask employers what they would suggest and then said something like start over and
let Visa or Amex do it. We need to use what is available now and not contract with one of Newts campaign contributors.

When he was a Speaker of the House and did a “contract with America” and he failed to even address illegal immigration. Like all of them they say one thing but then deflect and delay so that the US Chamber of Commerce stays happy while we pay. Business gets used to having them as cheap labor and as customers. BofA was big into giving them mortgage loans in prior years.


130 posted on 09/22/2011 9:05:58 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: P-Marlowe; roses of sharon; xzins; wmfights

Perry goes even further than that, Marlowe. He says that those students must also have ALREADY applied for US citizenship.

So, we have a kid with no country, raised here, graduated here, a done well in school here, AND trying their hardest to get the citizenship thing worked out.

And we’re going to tell them to take a hike. That is heartless.


131 posted on 09/22/2011 9:06:12 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Clyde5445
I've never liked Luntz's groups and he usually asks some rather slanted questions.

Yes, he is anti-Palin,so didn't handle that response well at all;I remember that.

132 posted on 09/22/2011 9:06:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: P-Marlowe

Well on the national level, Gov. Palin stated she was against the Dream Act.


133 posted on 09/22/2011 9:07:37 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin:"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: roses of sharon
A good rule of thumb, NEVER nominate a candidate that is embarrassed by his/her own political base.

Nomination for post of the year. Bears repeating about every 48 hours.

134 posted on 09/22/2011 9:08:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I’ll second that nomination!


135 posted on 09/22/2011 9:09:10 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: nopardons

Yes that is my opinion of all his focus groups. Luntz is close pals with everybody at NBC/MSNBC


136 posted on 09/22/2011 9:09:23 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (`SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: sklar

Agreed. Looks nervous,gets an odd look on his face with questions he’s not prepared for, and he licks his lips. Not up to the Job.


137 posted on 09/22/2011 9:10:19 PM PDT by stillfree? (I am the Tea Party)
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To: xzins

Are we a nation of laws or men’s hearts?

Simple question with a simple answer.


138 posted on 09/22/2011 9:11:31 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike
The Perry supporters are funny . For perry , it's hand outs hand free tuition or they all turn to drugs and crime. Man he has a low opinion of the immagrants. So if you disagree with perry you have no heart . This stinks of ol Turd Blossom and frat boy redux. There are more straw men than in the Wizard of Oz . The are we going to deport everyone canard is laughable and reactionary . No more Bushes .
139 posted on 09/22/2011 9:11:36 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: Norm Lenhart; mikhailovich; xzins; wmfights; roses of sharon
Are we a nation of laws or men’s hearts?

These children did not break any laws.

And Texas has passed a law giving these children the same rights as any other Texas child who has worked hard and graduated from a Texas High School. That is the law of Texas.

You got a problem with that?

Don't mess with Texas.

140 posted on 09/22/2011 9:11:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Clyde5445

Yes I remember. Luntz was on ABC This Week within the last 8 weeks sometime. He said there was no room for Gov Palin in the race because of Bachmann


141 posted on 09/22/2011 9:12:14 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (`SARAH PALIN 2012 OR BUST)
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To: P-Marlowe
If you think we should treat these children like the criminals they aren't, then I'd have to say yes you do not have a heart.

To give the children of these law breaking illegal alien parents a leg up over the children of law abiding Americans who played by the rules and paid their fair share of taxes all along and then give them the middle finger in favor of the children of illegal alien parents is not what this nation should be about or doing.

If that makes me heartless then so be it. I favor law abiding American parents getting what is fair and just and telling the illegal alien parents to get out and take their children back home with them and let them learn the hard lessons of doing things the legal and proper way and this is what happens when the laws of a nation are flagrantly violated.

These children should not receive any tax payer monies while telling American families, sorry but we don't care about you and your kids never mind that you've worked hard all your life and saved money to help educate your kids and then have a arrogant politician tell you that you don't matter any more and that furthermore you should now keep paying even more taxes to subsidize and educate some illegal aliens kids. Pure BS.

142 posted on 09/22/2011 9:12:51 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: Bigtigermike

Perry STFU you are done for me


143 posted on 09/22/2011 9:12:58 PM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: mikhailovich
You can always tell a moral coward by the way he hides behind an anonymous majority.
144 posted on 09/22/2011 9:13:19 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: mikhailovich
I know I'll get blasted and insulted for this position. I still believe in it. Perry may go down in flames but I think he is right. He signed a bill with only 4 dissenting votes. So I'm not the only one who shares the position.


There are other states, 13 that had a similar program but that isn't the issue as Perry is the Gov of one that has this program.

Allow In-State Tuition for Undocumented Students


145 posted on 09/22/2011 9:13:46 PM PDT by deport
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To: sklar

LIBERAL PABLUM!


146 posted on 09/22/2011 9:13:57 PM PDT by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: LongWayHome

I was for Perry... before tonight.

He is a terrible debater.

He has no passion, he stutters and stammers, and he let’s too many challenges go unanswered.

His “You don’t have a heart” remark on illegals was pathetic.

And he doesn’t take it to Obama enough... I don’t remember him even mentioning Obama’s name tonight.


147 posted on 09/22/2011 9:14:29 PM PDT by Southnsoul
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To: P-Marlowe

Yup. Big one. Your illegals are costing American taxpayers jobs and money.

Illegal immigration is ILLEGAL. What part of that do you not get? Logic man! If they are illegal to begin with, they should not be here. So your law should have no one here to take advantage of it to begin with!


148 posted on 09/22/2011 9:14:48 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Ron H.
Rush is out tomorrow so he will have the weekend to decide what to say on Monday.
149 posted on 09/22/2011 9:14:57 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Razz Barry
The U.S. Department of Education mandates that all states educate their students. Proof of citizenship is not a pre-requisite. Therefore, local I.S.D's are forced to educate their local students. Nobody on the state level can deport these people or turn them away from a public education.

Perry and Texas took a bold and decisive stand on the issue - to educate EVERYONE at state tuition rates if they can pass the SAT or ACT. We already had to educate them from K-12 and had no choice in the matter.

People including hundreds here on FR need to think more practically and less with a beer mug and armchair reaction. This is real life for people in Texas. Both white and hispanic. Real life for real people. The failure of the federal government should not be placed on the backs of Texans who want all residents to succeed with an education. Including a college education if they can cut the mustard.

150 posted on 09/22/2011 9:15:03 PM PDT by mikhailovich
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