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Perry: "I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal
weeklystandard ^ | Thursday September 22, 2011 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 09/22/2011 8:06:48 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Full title: Perry: "I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal Immigrants

Perry's response was forceful and personal. "I don't think you have a heart," Perry told his critics.

"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," Perry said. "We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature when this issue came up [there were] only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it today."

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KEYWORDS: amnesty; byebyeperry; debates; dreamact; illegals; immigration; openborderperry; palin; perry; perry4dreamact; perry4illegals; perry4openborders; perryisademocrat; rickperry; rino; rinoperry; sarahpalin; texas
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To: fantom

. The are we going to deport everyone canard is laughable and reactionary .

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Maybe they would deport themselves if we threatened to set up concentration camps until we could deport them.


201 posted on 09/22/2011 9:46:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: hinckley buzzard

“IOW a fifteen year-old runner who made good living sneaking across the border with loads of drugs, and who decided he liked the welfare and other bennies Texas offered, and decided to stay, only has to hang out for three years in order to get a huge tuition tax break at some Texas University.”

America: What a country!- Yakov Smirnoff


202 posted on 09/22/2011 9:46:57 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: P-Marlowe
No, they are NOT criminals. They are children of people who broke laws

Right now, illegals are having nearly 1000 anchor babies per month at Dallas Parkland Hospital.

Maybe when Perry is sent back to Texas, illegals at Parkland will be pushing out 2,000 anchor kids per month...

You know, it's, "For the children".

203 posted on 09/22/2011 9:47:21 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: P-Marlowe

“I guess we should just drive them to the border and dump them on the other side, huh?”

How about at your house? That’s fair since you want to take money out of mine to pay for them. Step up man!


204 posted on 09/22/2011 9:47:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Ron H.

BINGO!!!!!


205 posted on 09/22/2011 9:47:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

Obama thanks you for your support.


206 posted on 09/22/2011 9:47:46 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: The flash mob who wonÂ’t leave.)
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To: Bigtigermike

The fact is that these “poor kids” who were brought here by lawbreaking thieves through no fault of their (kids’) own are here BECAUSE of our goodies! This kind of program is why they even come here!


207 posted on 09/22/2011 9:47:58 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: P-Marlowe
“That is because the Federal Government does not have the Constitutional Authority to pass a national Dream Act.”

Where did you get that line of crap from? Congress voted on the DREAM Act last November and it only failed to pass because of Scott Brown - the one decent thing he did.

You Perry fangirls are unreal.

208 posted on 09/22/2011 9:49:11 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Gene Eric

Obviously it doesn’t matter to you that your laws are also our problem.


209 posted on 09/22/2011 9:49:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike

To Hell with illegals and their demon spawn. I want them ALL DEPORTED....along with Rick FAIRY.<——THIS DUKAKIS LOOK ALIKE IS FINISHED.

I’m sick of paying for an invasion of my own country. Deport 2nd and 3rd generations of illegals.

FARK THEM ALL.


210 posted on 09/22/2011 9:50:22 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: SteveAustin

People can all bag on Romney but the bottom line is that he sounded more conservative than Rick Perry tonight on a bunch of issues.

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That is because he was taught to lie to get what he wants.

NO ROMNEY, EVER!


211 posted on 09/22/2011 9:51:00 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Bigtigermike

I can now officially cross him off my list...


212 posted on 09/22/2011 9:51:05 PM PDT by roscommon
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To: bwc2221
Congress voted on the DREAM Act last November and it only failed to pass because of Scott Brown - the one decent thing he did.

Under what constitutional authority did the Congress have to pass that law, if they did?

213 posted on 09/22/2011 9:51:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Tzimisce
Our nation is drowning in RED INK.

We will NEVER curb the red tide without SERIOUS crackdown on illegal immigration.

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214 posted on 09/22/2011 9:54:23 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: P-Marlowe

You still have not answered - are you for illegal immigration or not? Yes or no.


215 posted on 09/22/2011 9:54:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: dragnet2
Right now, illegals are having nearly 1000 anchor babies per month at Dallas Parkland Hospital.

The Texas Dream act is irrelevant to these kids because they are considered CITIZENS.

Why should the anchor babies be treated better than the 2 year old who was brought here by his parents after being born on the other side of the border?

216 posted on 09/22/2011 9:55:03 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Liberals in Congress have been trying to pass the DREAM Act for at least 10 years.

Your claim that it would be unconstitutional is laughable.


217 posted on 09/22/2011 9:56:12 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: Norm Lenhart
How about at your house? That’s fair since you want to take money out of mine to pay for them. Step up man!

No, they much prefer your money to theirs. They need theirs to keep buying their dope or whatever don't you know.

218 posted on 09/22/2011 9:56:35 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: PastorBooks

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......

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Having gone through the ceremony it is correct and LDS are buried in their temple aprons (and other temple clothing). Feel free to freepmail me with any other questions about Mormonism.


219 posted on 09/22/2011 9:57:20 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Bigtigermike

how about ushering them all back to mexico?

i hope perry understands this is a bit more serious than stealing a base in baseball.


220 posted on 09/22/2011 9:57:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Norm Lenhart

I actually agree with you on something, Norm. Will wonders ever cease?


221 posted on 09/22/2011 9:58:36 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Jvette

In State tuition is only granted to students who have attended Texas High School for minimum 3 years and have personally applied for citizenship. During their 3 years in HS, them and their illegal parents, like every other Texas citizen, paid State Sales tax and Local Shool tax, whereas out of state students have not paid a dime toward Texas schools.

Its unlikely any Mexican HS student came here on their own just to go the Texas HS for 3 years and then get a relatively small tuition break (the $10000 Mutt blabbed, exgerating of course, was for University of Texas, which is expensive and which damn few regular Texas students can get into because of grades). Mostly we are talking about smaller colleges and Jr. colleges, not UT or A&M.


222 posted on 09/22/2011 9:59:36 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: P-Marlowe

Good question.

I’ve heard conflicting reports.

I wish I knew the real answer.

“Children of illegals” is an incomplete starting point. Are these “children” US citizens or not. If they’re citizens, they’re citizens and qualify for whatever other citizens qualify for. If they are not - they do not - and should go home.


223 posted on 09/22/2011 9:59:49 PM PDT by DB
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To: Ron H.

Methinks Marlow is sounding more lib than conservative. He is all about the children but ignores one simple fact...
We currently have an operative immigration system in place rendered inoperative by people like him that think and act with heart vs head.

Since that’s the case and laws matter not, lets just pick another group based on our emotions at the time and act on that. But isn’t that just what happened in the late 30-40s when men acted on emotion and ignored law? Then just created new ones to suit them? Pretty dangerous road to go down.


224 posted on 09/22/2011 10:02:30 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Norm Lenhart; reaganaut
You still have not answered - are you for illegal immigration or not? Yes or no.

No. I am violently against illegal immigration. But the fact is for the last generation the laws have not been enforced. We have to deal with that fact.

The Texas Dream act does nothing more than give children who were brought here by their illegal alien parents the same opportunity that we give to anchor babies.

IMHO it's no big deal. 99% of the children of illegal aliens living in Texas are citizens. They are "entitled" to the in State Tuition. Texas just decided to give the 1% of children without a country the same benefit.

I guess we could shoot them. There is historical precedent for that.

225 posted on 09/22/2011 10:03:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: reaganaut

Politics indeed makes for strange bedfellows ;)


226 posted on 09/22/2011 10:03:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: GeronL
He does not have conservative instincts, it is all stagecraft.

I was looking for a short accurate description of Perry's problems. You describe it.

227 posted on 09/22/2011 10:04:37 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: P-Marlowe

“No. I am violently against illegal immigration. But the fact is for the last generation the laws have not been enforced. We have to deal with that fact. “

OK GREAT! then lets do that. And lets stop hampering it with laws (that shouldn’t even exist) that cater to helping them stay here at our expense.

Simple.


228 posted on 09/22/2011 10:05:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike

I don’t think I have a heart, either. You ripped it out Mr. Perry and squashed it in a Aztec ritual to illegal aliens. All you need now is drums in the background, some torches, and such, as folks swing to the song of your Presidential ambitions slowing walking down that trail of tears into a dark jungle. So the only question now is, can you be Surviorman? Will you eat a grub to survive?


229 posted on 09/22/2011 10:05:36 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: P-Marlowe
Palin ran with John McCain in 2008. McCain is the biggest amnesty freak on the GOP side. Remember the McCain-Kennedy comprehensive immigration reform bill that included blanket amnesty? Eventually it was killed off. Sarah Palin had a Q&A/interview with Univision's Jorge Ramos on Oct 26 2008:

Q: So you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?

A: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

230 posted on 09/22/2011 10:05:46 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: DB
“Children of illegals” is an incomplete starting point. Are these “children” US citizens or not. If they’re citizens, they’re citizens and qualify for whatever other citizens qualify for. If they are not - they do not - and should go home.

I don't think we should give anchor babies citizenship.

But we do.

231 posted on 09/22/2011 10:05:50 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: mikhailovich; Norm Lenhart

For the record, I agree with Norm and he considers me a PDS’er. So this isn’t Palin/anti-Palin fight.


232 posted on 09/22/2011 10:08:04 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Norm Lenhart

As I pointed out to him in an earlier post here he is not part of the solution but rather part of the problem. Most liberals prefer to let their heart do their thinking for them and let everyone else figure out a way to pay for their hearts desires no matter the eventual disastrous consequences. His and his type of thinking is like a deadly cancer eating away at America.


233 posted on 09/22/2011 10:08:42 PM PDT by Ron H. (Loving my Deering Goodtime 2 Classic 5-stringer)
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To: bwc2221
Liberals in Congress have been trying to pass the DREAM Act for at least 10 years. Your claim that it would be unconstitutional is laughable.

99% of the laws passed by liberals in the last 100 years are unconstitutional. But they keep passing them and we keep allowing them to do it.

234 posted on 09/22/2011 10:09:08 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Reagan Man

And of course there’s more. She also said we have a system and it needs to be used. She also said that the undoced would go to the back of the line and that means. in reality. they never get in because the LEGAL applicants of which there is an unending number always get to cut ahead.

And even more recent stuff addressing the issue but that pretty much covers it.


235 posted on 09/22/2011 10:10:04 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: dusttoyou

A kid going to public school typically costs more than $5,000 per year. Illegals don’t even begin to pay enough taxes to cover their children going to public school. If they have three kids in school that’s $15,000 a year, year after year, being dumped on the taxpayers. And that’s not including all the other public services they are likely to consume.

If the children are citizens, they’re citizens and qualify no differently than anyone else. If they aren’t citizens they do not. To allow illegal children to go to school is stealing from the community plain and simple. To reward people who steal from the community is down right wrong and provides and incentive for more to do the same.


236 posted on 09/22/2011 10:10:51 PM PDT by DB
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To: reaganaut

Yes, we have had a word or two...;)


237 posted on 09/22/2011 10:11:25 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike; Diogenesis; SevenofNine

238 posted on 09/22/2011 10:11:40 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: P-Marlowe

“I don’t think we should give anchor babies citizenship.”

I agree with that. Either the parents need to be citizens or they need to go through the legal process of becoming citizens. Sneaking across the border and having a baby should not make the child a citizen of the country who’s laws you have violated.


239 posted on 09/22/2011 10:14:12 PM PDT by DB
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To: Norm Lenhart

We feel the flow of illegal immigration all the way up in the NE, and it isn’t flowing down from Canada.

If Texas overwhelmingly decides to educate illegals at its own expense, and control the Southern border, would that not attract illegals from other States into Texas?


240 posted on 09/22/2011 10:14:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Got news for you.

A path to citizenship is amnesty.


241 posted on 09/22/2011 10:15:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: gaijin

Out of all the folks I watched tonight my choice is Cain hands down; he seems to have a very accurate BS-ometer when it comes to people, jobs, taxes and who our allies really are. Of the rest of the rubber heads, only Bachman and Santorum seemed to have their heads screwed on right. I would prefer Palin for president but she isn’t running, YET. But of the ones I saw tonight that is my take.


242 posted on 09/22/2011 10:16:02 PM PDT by 5th MEB
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To: DB
Sneaking across the border and having a baby should not make the child a citizen of the country who’s laws you have violated.

But we do make them citizens. It is a misreading of the 14th amendment, but that is the situation we face. So how do we deal with the problem?

Is there any candidate who would actually say we should deport every one of the illegal aliens now? I don't think so.

IMHO the Texas Dream Act is no big deal at all. It deals with a problem created by Washington. It deals with it on a State Level. Texas can't deport these people, so why not just educate them?

243 posted on 09/22/2011 10:18:21 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Ron H.

Bottom line, Mexico is responsible for Mexicans. I have Mexican friends and I feel bad for the crap they deal with. But it’s their crap. It’s their job to deal with it.

If that means ‘dumping them’ on that side of the border, so be it. It sucks out loud for them and it’s an ugly thing to contemplate. But I’d rather all of them got ‘dumped’ (and all that stops that is our collective will to make it happen) that a single citizen being cut out of a job, a place in class or a measly tax dollar.

If we are a sovereign nation, we have a border. If that border exists, we remain a sovereign nation. If it is in existence only or at the whim of/when it suits a bleeding heart or politician, we are nothing. War is hell. Immigration is hell. Life sucks. But nations exist, and borders exist or they don’t.

You are either for a secure border and all that implies or you are not. There is NO middle ground or moral high road to battle over. Some on this thread need to realize that founding principal of ANY nation, including our own.


244 posted on 09/22/2011 10:21:50 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Gene Eric; Norm Lenhart

it seems to be an issue of educated or uneducated illegals. I’m not sure which is worse.

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They are the same. Educated illegals can’t get jobs without committing other crimes like identity theft. Although they might be more willing to move back to Mexico...nah that will never happen we give them too many handouts.


245 posted on 09/22/2011 10:22:20 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yes, we have had a word or two...;)

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LOL that is an understatement, dearie. ;)


246 posted on 09/22/2011 10:23:03 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Reagan Man

Not when it’s impossible to get that citizenship it ain’t.


247 posted on 09/22/2011 10:23:03 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: hinckley buzzard; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Liz; indylindy; kabar; AuntB; ...
Perry: I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal Immigrants


248 posted on 09/22/2011 10:23:59 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Bigtigermike

It’s all working out for you Romney people.

FR is a lost cause, IMO, and will lead to another term for Obama.


249 posted on 09/22/2011 10:24:15 PM PDT by Carling (Defeat Obama 2012!)
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To: Bigtigermike

*shrug*

I’ve been called heartless before, and it doesn’t bother me.


250 posted on 09/22/2011 10:24:23 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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