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Perry: "I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal
weeklystandard ^ | Thursday September 22, 2011 | JOHN MCCORMACK

Posted on 09/22/2011 8:06:48 PM PDT by Bigtigermike

Full title: Perry: "I Don't Think You Have a Heart" If You Oppose In-State Tuition for Children of Illegal Immigrants

Perry's response was forceful and personal. "I don't think you have a heart," Perry told his critics.

"If you say that we should not educate children who come into our state for no other reason than that they've been brought their through no fault of their own, I don't think you have a heart," Perry said. "We need to be educating these children because they will become a drag on our society. I think that's what Texans wanted to do. Out of 181 members of the Texas legislature when this issue came up [there were] only four dissenting votes. This was a state issue. Texas voted on it. And I still support it today."

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To: Gene Eric

Doesn’t seem to work that way in real life. As you said

“We feel the flow of illegal immigration all the way up in the NE, and it isn’t flowing down from Canada.”

Why run closer to the place you escaped?


251 posted on 09/22/2011 10:25:11 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike; Travis McGee

FURP

matt where are u on all this?


252 posted on 09/22/2011 10:26:16 PM PDT by wardaddy (,FURP....that was easy)
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To: reaganaut

Well I’m an understated kinda’ guy....

...Not buyin’ that huh? ;)


253 posted on 09/22/2011 10:26:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Carling

Well, Bye...

Looking forward to your opus.


254 posted on 09/22/2011 10:27:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: P-Marlowe

They are children of people who broke laws (which are not being enforced) and who have not committed any crimes on their own.

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Re-read my post. They are criminals in their own right.

And yes, we should dump them back to Mexico. I left CA because I was tired of illegals who drained our resources, crowded our schools, got full scholarships to a University I taught at and I was told to ‘go easier’ on them grade-wise, filled up our hospital ERs and didn’t have to pay a dime.

These kids aren’t victims any more than their parents are.

My mother shouldn’t have to carry a gun on her own property because these ‘innocent’ kids (in your eyes) threaten her with baseball bats every day.


255 posted on 09/22/2011 10:28:48 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Norm Lenhart
No matter how you slice it. The phrase, path to citizenship, equates to amnesty. Always has been and always will be. It may a nuanced position for Palin and it may not be blanket amnesty. But it is amnesty, nonetheless.

From the same 2008 interview:

Q: Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 million undocumented immigrants?

A: No, I do not. Not total amnesty.

256 posted on 09/22/2011 10:30:49 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Norm Lenhart
She also said that the undoced would go to the back of the line and that means. in reality. they never get in because the LEGAL applicants of which there is an unending number always get to cut ahead.

If that is what Palin believes, she is very gullible. "Immigration Reform" is always worse than advertised. Reagan believed that Ted Kennedy and company would keep their word in 1986.

257 posted on 09/22/2011 10:31:30 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: reaganaut

Hi reaganaut!

If you heard/saw the Republican Debate last night, please go and vote: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/09/22/who-won-debate/ I have a theory that the deck is being stacked!

Thank you!

Nancee


258 posted on 09/22/2011 10:32:11 PM PDT by Nancee
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To: GlockThe Vote

Not voting for a lying statist non-Christian like Romney isn’t a vote for Zero.

Why can’t you idiots get that through your thick skull. The GOP is the one feeding us these libs.

This time it is about principle. As a Christian, I will not vote for Romney, PERIOD. If I do, then I am going against my faith and that is more important than politics.


259 posted on 09/22/2011 10:32:44 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Nancee

BUMP!!


260 posted on 09/22/2011 10:33:20 PM PDT by Nancee
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To: Norm Lenhart

>> Why run closer to the place you escaped?

Good point.


261 posted on 09/22/2011 10:33:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: Carling

Ignore the nitwits and misfits.

There are 9 more debates. Oct 11 at Dartmouth College in NH. Then Las Vegas. Perry can come back.

After the first Reagan-Mondale debate in 1984, everyone was saying Reagan lost and he’s done. Reagan fooled them all and came back to win the second debate against Mondale and pulverize Fritz in the general election.

This is far from over!


262 posted on 09/22/2011 10:34:24 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: P-Marlowe
You got a problem with that?

Yeah, I got a problem with that. The illegals in the state of CA are a big part of breaking this state. They are shutting down our hospitals and overcrowding our schools all the while not paying into our system in the way of taxes.

Instead, I pay their way as they parade around our streets protesting me with their Mexican flags and Che T-shirts and screaming at me how racist I am. so, ...yeah, I got a problem with that.

They come to this country illegally and they game the system by getting food stamps using fake ID's and taking those resources away from our legal citizens so,...yeah, I got a problem with that.

And don't kid yourself about those innocent little kids in school. I work in one 45 miles away from the San Ysidro border crossing. They tell me how many times they go back and forth across the border to visit Grandma, laughing about crossing with fake papers so,....yeah, I got a problem with that.

263 posted on 09/22/2011 10:34:24 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: P-Marlowe
You got a problem with that?

Yeah, I got a problem with that. The illegals in the state of CA are a big part of breaking this state. They are shutting down our hospitals and overcrowding our schools all the while not paying into our system in the way of taxes.

Instead, I pay their way as they parade around our streets protesting me with their Mexican flags and Che T-shirts and screaming at me how racist I am. so, ...yeah, I got a problem with that.

They come to this country illegally and they game the system by getting food stamps using fake ID's and taking those resources away from our legal citizens so,...yeah, I got a problem with that.

And don't kid yourself about those innocent little kids in school. I work in one 45 miles away from the San Ysidro border crossing. They tell me how many times they go back and forth across the border to visit Grandma, laughing about crossing with fake papers so,....yeah, I got a problem with that.

264 posted on 09/22/2011 10:34:33 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: Electric Graffiti

I’m sick of paying for an invasion of my own country. Deport 2nd and 3rd generations of illegals.

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AMEN!!! And my father and stepfather were both immigrants (legal) who risked their lives to come to America. They didn’t get tuition breaks either.


265 posted on 09/22/2011 10:34:49 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

We keep agreeing and one of us will have to buy the beer ;)

In AZ there are many good people from Mexico who I don’t know for sure their citizenship. And since I’m on a drug route, there is a reason there’s a loaded shotgun in arms reach at all times at home.

These “kids” of the illegals are forming nice little gangs with names like MS13 and others. And they shoot people regularly even here in the sticks. I know they are illegal because I used to type that into the police blotter daily at the paper I worked at.

For every cherubic little face, there’s a tattooed little Vato looking to and making his bones. Those bleeding hearts that don’t live in it think it’s the cherubic kind we want sent away. The problem is the little cherubs grow up to be the vatos. And people are raped, robbed and killed to satisfy their ‘wants needs and desires.’

Or for no reason at all.


266 posted on 09/22/2011 10:35:52 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: P-Marlowe; dragnet2

We need to do away with anchor baby provisions as well. It only feeds them.

There are many who come to the US for health care who LEAVE once their children are born.


267 posted on 09/22/2011 10:36:58 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: SteveAustin

Perry didn’t practice, I respect his desire to just be himself but his performance wasn’t presidential. It wasn’t justth substance of those answers, it was his lack of - gravitas.

He’s probably a great guy and would be a good president. I wanted him to beat Romney.


268 posted on 09/22/2011 10:37:07 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Nancee

BUMP!!


269 posted on 09/22/2011 10:38:20 PM PDT by Nancee
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To: Reagan Man; Norm Lenhart

Why don’t you post something a little more recent.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2782503/posts?page=48#48


270 posted on 09/22/2011 10:38:53 PM PDT by Clyde5445 (Gov. Sarah Palin:"You have to sacrifice to win. That's my philosophy in 6 words.")
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To: Bigtigermike

Rick Perry is presenting us with a false choice. He acts as if we must either subsidize the education of illegal alien young people in order to make the middle-class citizens or continue to provide them with entitlements. Real conservatives would opt for a third direction. We can send the illegal aliens home. We can stop providing them with entitlements, and our withdrawing benefits for people who are breaking our laws will give them less incentive to break our immigration laws. If we need low-paid, low-skill workers, we can establish a program to bring them here as needed and make their employers cover their expenses. We can save the spaces in our universities so that American young people can get an education and rise to or remain in the middle class.


271 posted on 09/22/2011 10:39:48 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Reagan Man

Funny, I don’t hear her kissing LaRaza’s tush like someone else I could mention, nor giving them all freebies....


272 posted on 09/22/2011 10:40:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: P-Marlowe
Right now, illegals are having nearly 1000 anchor babies per month at Dallas Parkland Hospital.

The Texas Dream act is irrelevant to these kids because they are considered CITIZENS.

Well, considering how Perry has aided abetted, rewarded and pandered to illegals, I'd say he's going to draw a hell of a lot more illegals into Texas....With coupons and incentives, look for an instant "citizen" explosion to escalate in the lone star state.

273 posted on 09/22/2011 10:40:00 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dusttoyou

During their 3 years in HS, them and their illegal parents, like every other Texas citizen, paid State Sales tax and Local Shool tax, whereas out of state students have not paid a dime toward Texas schools.

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If they are ILLEGAL how can they prove that? (Local school tax).


274 posted on 09/22/2011 10:40:21 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Norm Lenhart

Indeed it does. :)


275 posted on 09/22/2011 10:42:13 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: hinckley buzzard

SANTORUM:

“And why should they be given preferential treatment as an illegal in this country? That’s what we’re saying.

(APPLAUSE)

SANTORUM: And so, yes, I would say that he is soft on illegal immigration. I think the fact that he doesn’t want to build a fence — he gave a speech in 2001 where he talked about, buy national health insurance between Mexico and Texas. I mean, I don’t even think Barack Obama would be for buy national health insurance.

So I think he’s very weak on this issue of American sovereignty and protecting our borders and not being a magnet for illegal immigration, yes.

WALLACE: Governor Perry, 30 seconds to respond, sir.

PERRY: I’ve got one question for him.

Have you ever even been to the border with Mexico?

SANTORUM: Yes.

PERRY: I’m surprised if you have, but you weren’t paying attention, because the idea that you —

SANTORUM: Well, the answer is, yes, I have.

PERRY: — are going to build a wall, a fence for 1,200 miles, and then go 800 miles more to Tijuana, does not make sense. You put the boots on the ground.

We know how to make this work. You put the boots on the ground.

You put the aviation assets —

SANTORUM: But it’s not working, Governor.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/22/fox-news-google-gop-2012-presidential-debate/#ixzz1YkcKtB2j

Even the candidates, with low poll numbers (for now) bring a lot into the debate.


276 posted on 09/22/2011 10:42:29 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: mikhailovich
The U.S. Department of Education mandates that all states educate their students. Proof of citizenship is not a pre-requisite. Therefore, local I.S.D's are forced to educate their local students. Nobody on the state level can deport these people or turn them away from a public education. Perry and Texas took a bold and decisive stand on the issue - to educate EVERYONE at state tuition rates if they can pass the SAT or ACT. We already had to educate them from K-12 and had no choice in the matter.

I know states were required to educate them. I'm saying it is WRONG to force American payers, at the point of a gun, to provide education, or anything else, to people who have broken our laws. This was/is WRONG, and being the Federal government and illegal immigrants get to pick the laws they'll go by, maybe the American people should too.

People including hundreds here on FR need to think more practically and less with a beer mug and armchair reaction. This is real life for people in Texas. Both white and hispanic. Real life for real people. The failure of the federal government should not be placed on the backs of Texans who want all residents to succeed with an education. Including a college education if they can cut the mustard.

Had the citizens of Texas, and other border states, been thinking more piratically, and used a little logic, the rest of the country could have been spared from this invasion. I say again, "It is irrational to educate people who can not legally work here." If the reason for looking the other way was because employers needed cheap labor, you only encourage more illegal immigration by educating illegal immigrants. You educate them out of, "jobs Americans won't do", into jobs Americans NEED, creating the NEED for more cheap labor. You also encourage more to come here illegally to receive a free education. I realize you've gotten use to it, but I don't want to live in Latin America.

It's disgusting how disrespectfully Americans have been treated over this issue. We have been betrayed by all branches of our government.

277 posted on 09/22/2011 10:44:48 PM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Personally, I think you go after employers and go after them hard. Take away the job and they will self deport and you also take away the primary incentive to come here illegally in the first place. Somewhere along the line the employers are citizens and can be forced to pay a steep price for stealing from the community by passing costs on to the community while getting the selfish benefits of cheap labor.

And if I wasn’t clear, if someone is legally a citizen - anchor babies and all - they are legally entitled to what other citizens are entitled to. So I’m not arguing that point.

The federal government is constitutionally charged with controlling immigration. I think federal immigration law should trump state law for that reason. Otherwise if one state provides incentives/welcomes illegals to come here then once the illegals are here they are free to travel to other states and impose costs on those other states. That single state becomes a gateway for illegal immigration into the country.

The problem isn’t the lack of laws at this point (though I agree about the anchor baby issue) it is the laws are not enforced. When laws become selectively enforced you end up with no respect for the law and are no longer governed by law but instead the whim of the law enforcers - you become essentially a banana republic.

Otherwise I’d say let Texans do what they want.


278 posted on 09/22/2011 10:45:27 PM PDT by DB
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To: Razz Barry

“It’s disgusting how disrespectfully Americans have been treated over this issue. We have been betrayed by all branches of our government. “

Abso-freaking-lutely true.


279 posted on 09/22/2011 10:46:57 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike

I can’t help but think that Perry - following in the august footsteps of Clinton, the Bush dynasties, and Obama - was bought off long ago with drug and human trafficking money.


280 posted on 09/22/2011 10:47:16 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Don’t even get me started on illegals who fly Mexican flags here in the US.

If it weren’t vandalism I would shoot my mother’s neighbor’s Mexican flag full of holes every time they fly it.


281 posted on 09/22/2011 10:49:24 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Norm Lenhart

What the heck would a career politician know about having a heart?


282 posted on 09/22/2011 10:50:04 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: mikhailovich

” This is real life for people in Texas. Both white and hispanic. Real life for real people”

It’s been “real life” in California for decades. It’s how we lost our State. Feel free to wreck Texas next if you insist.

Just don’t expect the rest of us to vote for the fools you elect who can’t get a handle on what “illegal alien” means.


283 posted on 09/22/2011 10:50:54 PM PDT by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Norm Lenhart

LOLOL. Not really, no. ;)


284 posted on 09/22/2011 10:50:54 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Carling

Carling, I posted this on another thread, but I actually think it fits better right here. Besides, I want EVERYONE to see how I stand.

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From: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2782506/posts

(Another poster on that thread)

This is actually why Obama fears Perry so much. Obama is counting on the hispanic vote to carry him to victory. Along comes Perry and suddenly Obama is facing losing a large chunk of that base.

(My response)

I believe that is what Rush Limbaugh was getting at yesterday.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092111/content/01125112.guest.html

Upon going to that link (above) you see Rush advising his listeners that we will need to get the Texas electoral vote to win this election, and we will need to get the Hispanic vote from Obama to win this election against Obama.

Rush’s segment on this yesterday was every informative, should one have ears to listen.

However, not considering whether or not we need to take the Hispanic vote from Obama to win in the general election, I don’t think Perry is doing a good job in these debates explaining the entire immigration situation here.

He is particularly doing a bad job explaining himself on the Texas DREAM Act.

Here are a few things I wish he would at least address:

1. Perry needs to let people know that states have no right to deport. By not making people aware that a state can not, by any legal law in The U.S., deport immigrants, others may think, and they do, that he is soft. People mistakenly think Perry COULD send them back. He CAN’T, but yet too many people think that he CAN and that he just DOESN’T.

Rick Perry has to get that misguided notion straightened up if anyone is even to ever come close to understanding what he is doing or why. Like it or not, neither Perry nor the State of Texas can deport illegal immigrants. That is only, by law, a federal action.

2. Rick Perry needs to tell people from OTHER STATES that if they want in-state tuition, they can get it from their own stinkin’ states! I get tired of hearing person after person complain that THEIR child from Kentucky, or Michigan, or Maine can’t go to a Texas college with an in-state tuition rate for their child but yet... they complain that while their child can’t, some illegal living in Texas CAN.

You know, it’s ONE argument to say you don’t want illegal’s children getting to stay here or getting breaks. It is something totally different when they complain about not getting in-state tuition for their children for college in a state they don’t even live in. They CAN get in-state tuition.. in the state where they live!

Even if Perry can’t step back on his need to manage this problem we have in Texas, when he hears this complain (and I believe it was mentioned in this debate), Perry needs to look them in the eye and say “If you want in-state tuition for your child, then by golly find a college in YOUR state. This is for people who are living in Texas, and YOU don’t LIVE in Texas.

Sorry for that rant. Like I said, it is one thing to talk about something that would benefit a child of an illegal immigrant. It is another thing to complain about some out-of-state teenager not getting in-state tuition in Texas when they have their OWN states they can already get in-state tuition in.

3. Regarding this same issue, I have heard a few now ignorantly claim that these children of illegal immigrants living in Texas go to college FOR FREE! That is ludicrous!

Michele Bachmann quoted the DREAM Act discount as a savings of $22,000 I believe. The UT Austin website indicates a slightly lower tuition per semester rate, but when you include fees, she was probably very close.

So since she used The University of Texas Austin as her example, let’s just keep it at that here.

So a child of an illegal immigrant living in Texas for at least three years (maybe a lifetime for many) who has graduated from high school, submitted their application for American citizenship and going through that citizenship process, and having been accepted to The University of Texas Austin (one of the HARDEST universities in the country to get accepted to), gets an in-state tution rate.

Besides the fact that the student had to be GOOD enough to get into college and competitive enough to get into a major university, they are STILL going to have to pay the regular in-state tuition. These stellar students are NOT going to school for FREE.

4. I also wish Perry would point out that these students who are entering Texas colleges are in the process of working on and receiving their American citizenship. They are taking actions available through our federal government to be citizens, and the government would have track of them at that point and KNOW if they were following through their citizenship process as well (a cost of approximately $30,000.00 per person), that cost IN ADDITION TO the in-state tuition that student is paying out of his or her own (or family’s) pocket.

Of all the above points, I would think that would be the one that Perry could be the most proud of getting out to people.

I live in Texas, and I understand this is not a matter of wanting to reward illegal immigrants but more a situation we have to manage so that we are not left with these folk in the gutters killing each other (and us), selling drugs, making a living through prostitution rings, etc. Texas does not want all that junk in our state! So... we MANAGE the situation we are left with because of a lax federal government that has not protected us as it should have done and has not deported the illegal immigrants that should have been deported.

I also understand what Texas politicians feel they must do to manage the situation does not come off well to many others.

I just wish Rick Perry would clear up some of the absolute nonsense that is being thrown about with this issue and what is or is not being done here - what can, and can not be done here - and what has, and has not been done here in Texas.

This is not going to be his best issue with conservatives, and some people are going to be upset with The DREAM Act regardless, but my golly, when these incorrect fallacies are mentioned or people just don’t have the right information, the least he could do for himself is to defend what he can and correct all he should.

But just for me... HEY PEOPLE, IT’S NOT FREE.


285 posted on 09/22/2011 10:52:05 PM PDT by casinva (The stock in McDonalds has just gone down because Obama has been serving up so many whoppers.)
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To: Nancee

Sorry, didn’t see it (don’t have TV). Just know what I saw here on FR.


286 posted on 09/22/2011 10:53:21 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: P-Marlowe

Re: Your post 197. Works for me


287 posted on 09/22/2011 10:53:52 PM PDT by 5th MEB
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To: reaganaut

Same here. We get a lot of that, along with stickers and flag license plates. It’s all Reconquista/LaRaza crap. If I emigrated to Iceland, why would I keep flying an American flag? Only if I really didn’t consider myself an Icelander...
Same poop, different pooper.

They are just following ‘The Race’ and using incrementalism to retake what they claim is theirs...and using our bleeding heart libs to help them do it - whether that bleeding hart has a D or R to proclaim their affiliation.


288 posted on 09/22/2011 10:55:19 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: CAluvdubya

VERY WELL SAID!!! And I’m an ex-Californian for the reasons you listed.


289 posted on 09/22/2011 10:55:33 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Bigtigermike

Perry tried to do the only thing he could do...try to defend his indefensible record.

He was roundly booed and made a complete fool of himself.


290 posted on 09/22/2011 10:55:56 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears ("But resist, we much...we must...and we will much...about...that...be committed." - Al Sharpton)
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To: reaganaut

Anyone who owns a home, rents a home or apartment, directly or indirectly pay property (school) tax, whether or not they have the receipt.

If they buy anything, naturally they pay Sales Tax.

Texas has no other tax, no income tax.


291 posted on 09/22/2011 10:57:42 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: casinva

There’s a basic law of nature.

You reward something you get more of it.

You punish something you get less of it.

Do you want more or less illegal immigration?


292 posted on 09/22/2011 10:57:48 PM PDT by DB
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To: Clyde5445
Okay. From what I read, Palin still has a nuanced stance and supports a path to citizenship. In fact, she said it again:

"So they need to follow that path of legal citizenship, obviously."

A path to legal citizenship or a path to citizenship are the same thing. Means, amnesty. Maybe not blanket amnesty, but amnesty nonetheless. Palin won't deport them. She wants to work within the system and get this issue resolved. I agree with her. And we all agree, the feds need to secure the border first!

293 posted on 09/22/2011 10:58:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Williams
Perry's comments tonight about "no heart" might have been the final nail in his coffin.

I still like him and agree with him on 98% of the issues, but I think his enemies likely have won. He has shown almost zero ability to defend himself from their attacks and that comment hurts him badly.

I am really down because I now see Romney with a clear path to the nomination. The front running conservative with the best chance to stop him has been marginalized.

I honestly don't know where conservatives go to stop the Romney nomination or to prevent the second term of Barack Obama.

Both very, very depressing thoughts.

294 posted on 09/22/2011 10:58:37 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Grey Eagle
I think he explained plenty. He's now stooping to calling those of us who agree with him "heartless".

He thoroughly outed himself as yet another of the 'elite' who don't understand that we simply don't have the money for this crap, or much of anything else anymore. It also shows his extreme lack of respect for those of us who pay the bills in this country and live lawful lives.

295 posted on 09/22/2011 10:58:47 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: dagogo redux

So true...but Americans buy into the guilt trip regularly. So he used it just like Clinton and Obama...and Al and Jessie...and Nancy and Harry...PFLAG anf GSLEN...Sierra Club and PETA... I’d like to see a Perry supporter explain how it’s OK when Rick does it but bad when the dem/libs do.

Point to ponder for ‘ya’ll’ ;)


296 posted on 09/22/2011 10:59:29 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Bigtigermike

well, Perry is just another over emotional RINO after all.


297 posted on 09/22/2011 11:01:18 PM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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To: casinva
You should consult for Perry, FRiend.

He seems incapable of explaining this. Then again, with the Romney ankle biters attacking him during the debate, it's probably difficult to condense a complex executive decision into a 20 second soundbite. It's clear who the GOP/FoxNews people want to win, and I include Palin in that, since she hasn't gone after Romney at all.

298 posted on 09/22/2011 11:01:20 PM PDT by Carling (Mitt Romney Signed a Bill that Mandated Taxpayer-funded Abortions)
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To: Reagan Man

We currently have a path to legal citizenship.


299 posted on 09/22/2011 11:01:37 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Maybe if Palin was Governor of Texas for 11 years, like Rick Perry has been, she just might understand the politics of life in the Lone Star State.

We’ll never know.


300 posted on 09/22/2011 11:02:25 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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