Skip to comments.Perry is blowing it (Needs better grasp of issues, stamina to pick apart Romney's contradictions)
Posted on 09/22/2011 9:10:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Mitt Romney is an incredibly vulnerable Republican candidate, from his numerous policy reversals to his championing of the Massachusetts health care law that served as the basis from Obamacare. But for him to lose, somebody else has to beat him. And like Tim Pawlenty before him, Texas Gov. Rick Perry is blowing his chances to exploit Romneys weaknesses.
The defining moment in this debate may well have been the point at which Perry went on the attack against Romney for being a flip flopper. As I noted earlier, theres a long file to choose from. And Perry had clearly rehearsed such an attack you can tell he was starting to go through the list of issues Romney had reversed on, and even used the for it before he was against phrasing, a not-so-subtle reference to the infamous Massachusetts flip flopper, Sen. John Kerry. But the exchange came toward the end of the debate, and as has been his habit, Perry began to fade as the debate wore on. During this particular answer, he wrestled for words and stammered. He couldnt finish his sentences. If you werent a political junkie who knew all of the background, youd have no idea what Perry was mumbling about. And Romney's smooth response made him come off as more steady and reassuring, even though on substance, Perry should have owned him.
The rest of the debate was hit or miss for Perry. But when he received an admittedly difficult question about what he would do if he got a 3 a.m. phone call informing him that Pakistans nukes had been taken over by Islamists, he struggled. He ended up giving an incoherent answer that was more of an information dump of random stuff he had been briefed on about the region. It was not very reassuring for those of us who are waiting to see if Perry can prove his dissenters wrong and come off as someone substantive, capable of beating President Obama, and of running the country competently.
Romney remains vulnerable. And unlike Pawlenty, Perry is starting from a stronger position in the polls, so he certainly has a good chance of ultimately winning. However, hes going to have to step up his game by showing a better grasp of the issues, more stamina in these debates, and by being able to take apart Romneys endless contradictions. In short, Perry has not blown it, but he is blowing it.
Perry sucked tonight. Okay, we move on.
One question. Does anyone know why Perry didn’t appear with Hannity after the debate? Was he pissed off or something? I know he was on last night with Sean. But this seemed very odd.
What really matters in these debates is not giving your opponent any new additional fodder they didn’t already have for future ads. Because it’s all about the ads folks. Perry will have all the chance in the world articulate and clarify his positions and to hammer Romney till he looks like the bag of RINO crap that he is.
Perry is getting hit with what he was going to get hit with regardless, nothing really new has come up, and thus nothing has fundamentally changed, except for some to realize that yep... Debates are not Perry’s strong point.
Perry is not a Leader. He wants to educate all illegal children at bargain basement rates. Race to the bottom with Perry.
you have to keep in mind that we need the latino vote to win big,perry may be losing some of the white vote,but will still carry a chunk of the latino vote. I think it’s going to be very close in the end.
I would have to say reasonably well, with an asterisk next to it.
The Governor of Texas is kind of a unique job. The legislature only meets every other year, and the governor has relatively small amounts of power. In my opinion, when the decisions have been his to make, Perry has made the correct calls. By that I means conservative. That thing with the vaccine was kind of bungled.
The biggest complaint I've heard from many conservatives down here is that he's kind of a Punxsutawney Phil. When it's time for election he's out there, saying and doing all the right things. After he's elected he kind of disappears into his stump until it's time to wake up again. I'm not sure I really hold with that because the Governor of Texas really has limited power, so I'm not sure there is a lot he could do if he wanted to.
Perry has had a pretty sympathetic legislature to work with all the time he's been Governor. I really don't know how he'll perform when he has to get in there an mud wrestle with those scumbags in Congress. (At one time I thought maybe 2012 would give us a solidly conservative congress, and maybe it will. For some reason I'm starting to have my doubts).
>>>Romney for being a flip flopper
I wish Perry would be a flip flopper on illegal immigration.
Especially during this time of HUGE UNEMPLOYMENT among legal citizens of all income groups.
Why is he not against illegal immigration? Why? Why?
He was an embarrassment, I watched the debate to hear him for the first time amidst the others. He was far worse than I even thought he would be. Wooden, inarticulate, wrong, pandering, and I gather he told a bold faced lie about the Gardisil episode.
He was also the only candidate booed tonight, and he was booed twice, deservedly so.
Perry would go after Romney more effectively in real face to face campaigning with the voters, speeches, and of courses political ads. These have much more impact on winning elections and are much more effective than the debates.
Exactly. The political junkies are all obsessed with debates as if they are the most important thing to win elections when in reality there are rather minor. Political ads, face to face campaigning with voters, and speeches are the way to win elections as proven historically.
I thought Perry might be the guy. Not so after his weak, stammering performance tonight. I’m getting a sick, sinking feeling in my stomach that Romney is going to be the nominee.
Who is writing off him in mass? You are way over exagerating the effect of debates on winning and losing the elections.
I also know someone in TX that has dealt with both Bush and Perry. He liked Bush, but not Perry. (In fact, this person is a Romney supporter).
But he does say that both are sharp in person.
Blowing? or blown?
Perry got his arse handed to him tonight deep fried.
Romney is a snake and Perry isn’t quite a mongoose.
Sarah Palin maybe?
>> Obama who he has high respect for.
Yeah, that was gay.
Perry needs a serious debate coach. Just remember, he’s going up against people who have been campaigning for 5 years. Also, remember how bad Sarah was with her first interview and how much she improved when she received proper coaching.
Perry damaged himself greatly tonight. Made enough Romney ads to last a lifetime. Once again on the immigration issue he came across as arrogant and condescending. That will not play well across the country.
“No worries, we are electing a president, not a debate captain.”
That’s what they said about Jorge Bush.
All what Perry has to do is make a one minutes commercial of Romney speaking on abortion, gay marriage, guns control, man-made global warming and not only Romney would be finished in South Carlina but in another 35-40 states. Have you seen those youtube videos of Romney when he was running for Senate and governor in Massachusetts? All what Perry has to do is to use some use these video clips in one minutes commercials and say good bye Romney.
If Perry falls, then Romney won’t be that far behind. Bachmann and Cain will mop the floor with Romney, even if she’s a bit flakey in the process. Sorry LDS, but the Mormon factor just weirds out too many people, and Mitt isn’t even that conscientious about Mormon ethics.
With every debate, Rick Perry shows that he lives in a glass house regarding flip-flopping. He publicly criticized Arizona’s controversial law to deal with illegal immigrants. Tonight, he tried to reverse his position by saying that he joined Arizona’s suit against the federal government over the law. In other words, he was against enforcing immigration laws before he was in favor of enforcing immigration laws.
Well, Perry has run for re-election in his current post a number of times. Trouble is, people have different expectations from a president than they do from a governor. Especially if they take constitutional differences seriously.
It’s awful hard to keep up with Romney’s lies and half truths. And if Perry is not quite sure of who he is, that makes it even harder for him to cope with that garbage.
If he always flips in the right direction, that’s a lot better than nothing. Still, it would have been better for Perry to have settled on these things a few years ago than to be evolving in the middle of debates.
“By all rights 2012 should be a cake walk for the Republicans. But the poor communicators we have are going to let it become a horse race - and one that could be lost.”
The only one who is a lousy debater is Perry. Newt is an excellent communicator, as is Romney, Bachman, Cain, Santorum, even Huntsman although his personality stinks. The only lousy debater is Perry. He can’t talk. He can’t hang three sentences together without screwing two of them up. Don’t lump the others in with Perry’s lousy speaking skills. He’s the only one with a real problem in communicating. The others do fine. You may not like some of their ideas, but their communication skills are all good, all except Rick Perry.
You’re wrong, Romney is a practiced politician that plays to whatever he thinks the crowd wants to hear. Last year, at our state convention, I say Romney channel Glenn Beck (Beck was then at the height of his popularity). Romney cried.
There! Fixed it!
I am a native Texan and long time republican activist who, prior to tonight, was a strong Rick Perry supporter. No more and I'll tell you why!
When the legislature passed the bill to provide in state tuition for illegals the make up of the Texas legislature was much different than it is today. Republicans (not conservatives) held a one seat majority in the Texas Senate (16 republicans to 15 democrats). The Texas house was composed of 78 democrats and 72 Republicans. Today the Texas Senate is composed of 19 republicans (not conservatives) and 12 democrats. The Texas House has 101 Republicans and 49 democrats. That is a HUGE change over 10 years and one of the main reasons this has occurred is this very issue!
Rick Perry was dealt a bad hand back then. EVERY member of the legislature save four voted for this bill even though the public was adamantly opposed to it. Perry, the newly minted governor of Texas at that time, signed it into law and I seriously doubt that anyone would have done differently under the circumstances.
The public in Texas adamantly opposed the idea of granting in state tuition to illegals then and they still do today. It was shoved down our throats by the 77th legislature and that is, at least in part, why the current make up of the legislature is what it is!
Until today, I had thought Rick Perry understood all this but his words tonight convince me beyond all doubt that I was wrong! He doesn't get it and will only go down in the polls from this point until he finally decides to pack it in!
I thought that was odd, too. Romney had way too much time with Hannity after the debate. Maybe Romney demanded it because Perry was on last night.
And so? Cain and Bachmann aren’t Romneyesque flip floppers, and if Sarah Palin isn’t in the race yet, she’ll be commentating. It won’t take much of a light to rat Romney out too. His front runner status will be brief.
If they want to have a real debate, have it by a topic, such as the budget, and discuss only it.
“The mormon Romney will win South Carolina right after the sun stops shinning for good.”
Watch it. Your evangelical prejudice is showing.
Romney’s path to the White House just got easier. This was a big win for him and a huge bumble for Perry.
While some are joyful, I’m not. Of the credible candidates Perry and Romney, Perry was the conservative.
Oh, no? Watch the next polls Romney will be the new frontrunner and nobody in this field will be him unless Perry turns it around.
Luntzes case study group had a lot of switchers to Romney. People are afraid of Obama and they want a candidate that is “Presidential and competent”...
Cain did well and could move up, but realistically Romney could run away with this now.
If Palin is going to get in, her instincts should be buzzing that now is the time...after this week’s polls show Perry plummeting.
“Perry needs a serious debate coach. Just remember, hes going up against people who have been campaigning for 5 years”
Perry has been a professional politician for 35 years. If he can’t debate by this time, it’s hopeless. The guy is lousy at it and it won’t improve if he’s had 35 years in politics to practice public speaking and he still can’t debate.
Like it or hate it, but the Mormon factor weirds America out more than an unfamiliar race or gender does, and Mitt isn’t even that “good” of a Mormon, as in putting in an obvious effort to live what Mormons would call a virtuous lifestyle. So they’re saying those evangelical (and Catholic) rednecks in South Carolina will give Romney a lukewarm reception? Call them biased but that’s what will happen.
“the Mormon factor just weirds out too many people”
The real reason so many Freepers (primarily Evangelicals) won’t back Romney.
If Romney gets in front, he can’t hide. It’s the nature of being in front. He will be caught up by his own sins too, and fail.
Perry isn’t all that sure who he is. He’s like one of those walking Darwin fish on the stupid anti-creationism bumper stickers. Not quite aquatic, not quite terrestrial. Bachmann and Cain know who they are. They will quite possibly be the tortoises that outraced the hares of both Perry and Romney. If Sarah Palin jumps in with a presidential bid, all bets are off.
“(and Catholic) rednecks in South Carolina”
I don’t know too many Catholic rednecks, lol. There aren’t even that many Catholics livin in southern states. This is a predominantly Evangelical dislike of Mormons, always has been. They don’t like Mormons, and never have.
I've been saying that about Mitt Romney for four years. Furthermore, Mitt Romney can offer the excuse of needing to survive politically in Massachusetts. Nothing was stopping Rick Perry from taking better stands on these issues, but he didn't.
Ronald Reagan had a long history of thoughtful, intelligent writing and speaking on important issues. The press liked to call him an "amiable dunce," but he was not a dunce. He simply took stands that the media didn't like. Rick Perry doesn't have that history. All he has is a Republican legislature in Texas and a book written to boost sales to red-meat conservatives at a time when red-meat conservatism sells books. If he wants to be president, he needs to spend a few years figuring out what he believes and how those beliefs can be implemented. If he makes that transition, he might be ready to run for president.
Evangelicals simply find it difficult to relate to Mormon theology. They pretty much have an agreement to disagree with Roman Catholics, but they understand where the differences are. But when a Mormon gets into a rousing chorus or two of “Hie Thee To Kolob” and the mystical underwear is mentioned, along with the secretive habits of Mormon worship (a Mormon would be welcome to visit an evangelical church, but the Mormon temple will not reciprocate — this can be really awkward for things like weddings) this is where evangelicals just call it too strange to trust somebody from there.
WOW, it is all over now for Perry because of the debates? Seriously folks you are way overrating the importance of the debates in winning and losing elections.
I’m not saying it is a done deal for Perry, but I’m telling you he will take a big hit in the polls. Huge hit.
I agree. While the original poster statement that we are electing a president not a debate captain is 100% true, we absolutely must select a candidate who can be agile in the debates against Obama. Perry has to get radically better before I will vote for him. There are reasonable answers to movement past these issues, he is getting pummeled and is not able to respond effectively at all.
He might have had a chance if he had said it was pointless to veto it. Instead, he called those who oppose it heartless. The heartless will not vote for him. Someone better get in the race soon, or Cain had better take off soon, or we lose.
We shall see about the polls. Just remember that Perry has not yet used the political ads to expose Romney super liberal record. They will be devastating ads with Romney own voice and image taking liberal positions on abortion, gay marriage, gun control, man-made global warming, etc... Romney would not recover from these ads. Speeches, political ads, and face to face meetings with voters are more effective and have more impact on voters opinion than debates and in particular primaries debates that are watched mostly by political junkies.
I would suggest somebody start running those ads asap.
Seriously, think about it, Perry sort of came in in a vacuum and his front runner status was a bubble. Bubbles pop.
He can recover, but it’s going to take some effort.
Shows how smart the crowd was.
They should have rushed the stage and tarred and feathered the con man who's family hasn't sent a single one of its members to serve in the military, should have jeered him like the Romanians jeered Ceausescu during his last speech when he started talking about how Romneycare is different than Obamacare.
Yeah, that's one bright crowd.
Next debate this glad handing dishonest son of a bitch needs to get a stake put through his vampire heart; he will be the death of the GOP if he is not stopped.
First of all, the question about Pakistan was stupid. You would need to know all kinds of information about what the situation on the ground was, what our capibilities were, and what the events leading up to it were, and even if you knew all that you wouldn’t be able to say what you would do ahead of time, and wouldn’t want to if you could. If they had asked Newt that he would have told them that the question was moronic, then given an answer somewhat like Perry’s, that you can’t let it get to that point in the first place. Unfortunately Perry isn’t as sharp as Newt, but his answer about preventing it in the first place, and a closer alliance with India wasn’t bad.
I really hope some of these candidates will learn from Newt how to handle these stupid “gotcha” questions based on false premises.
Amen to that. And with that I'm off to bed (with my hard hat on) in case that spacecraft crashes in on my house.
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