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Video: Perry’s cringe-worthiest debate moment
Michelle Malkin ^ | 9/23/2011 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 09/23/2011 6:25:35 AM PDT by Lakeshark

I mentioned Rick Perry’s DREAM Act debate blunder in my round-up post.

It gets second place.

The cringe-worthiest moment, by a hair, was when Perry botched what should have been his most potent attack on Mitt Romney’s chronic flip-flopping. As I noted on Twitter when it happened, any random high schooler at the CPAC conference in Washington could have done better than this.

If this is how Perry’s going to take Obama on in debates, we’re in trouble. Someone inject him with some Red Bull and a dash of Herman Cain’s personality.
**snip**

Perry said he’s in favor of making English the official language of the U.S. Perhaps he should concentrate on mastering it before the next debate

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To: bcsco

After last evening’s performance, I doubt Perry has much of a chance. Of course, I never imagined McCain would become the candidate in ‘08 after his poor debates that included speaking to himself and getting Lieberman to provide answers for him in interviews with MSM.


151 posted on 09/23/2011 8:26:14 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Man, there are a bunch of farmers in the valley who would take you to task on that.

Like I said, it is not a reliable water source. One can’t just place a stationary waterpump next to their plantation.
Mobilized pumps are key.

I am for a fence, btw.


152 posted on 09/23/2011 8:26:47 AM PDT by waterhill (Got pig?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

OK, but what if one or both of them are on the ticket? Are you one of 5those folks who would stand on what you would call principle and stay home thereby throwing the election and subjecting us all to another 4 years of the disaster we have in the WH?

You surely cannot believe either one of these 2 are even 1/50th as bad as Ozero,can you


153 posted on 09/23/2011 8:27:54 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Windflier; SaintDismas; trisham; Vigilanteman; indylindy; stephenjohnbanker; Condor51; mo; ...
Some of us Texans have been trying to tell the rest of you, that Perry is where he is, because he's never had to face a worthy challenger. Now that he's on deck in the big leagues, you can see this clearly.

Perry has high negatives in Texas. Watching him in action, I get the feeling Texans do not have much say in his unbroken string of elections.

Sure he won elections......but HOW he did it is the question. Some Texans describe Gov Perry as a kind of a "Punxsutawney Phil." When it's time for election he's out there, saying and doing all the right things. After he's elected, he kind of disappears until it's time to run again.

And when Rick does that disappearing act, big-hearted Perry gets down to the real business of governance----enriching himself.

<><> In 2004 campaign commercials-----packing and wearing a cowboy hat-----Senor Perrynista was on all fours, all puckered up, saying how he would "protect" Texas by putting Texas Ntl Guard on the river. Despite Perry's sucking up for votes, the border is a savage war zone.

<><> The Trans Texas Corrdior was just one of Perry's insider deals----he used eminent domain for a superhighway thru Texas in which he partnered with then-candidate Rooty Giuliani (Perry endorsed Giuli for 2008 president).

<><> Perry took land from Texans to give to a Spanish company. Perry vetoed bills that would have blocked construction of the controversial Trans-Texas Corridor--- part of the NAFTA superhighway -- purported to be four football fields wide -- that will allow Mexican trucks to enter the US and traverse the core of our country all the way to Canada. Perry cleared the way for construction to begin in Texas when he vetoed several bills passed by the Legislature that would have stalled the project.

<><> 2012 VOTERS SHOULD KNOW: PERRY looked away as savage Mexican Zeta gangs expand their growing drug empire inside the US.....from Big D--Dallas.

154 posted on 09/23/2011 8:29:12 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: Lakeshark
That was the first debate I watched

You've been sliming Perry for weeks, yet last night was the first time you could trouble yourself to watch a debate? Says quite a bit out you, IMO.

155 posted on 09/23/2011 8:31:35 AM PDT by Carling (Mitt Romney Signed a Bill that Mandated Taxpayer-funded Abortions)
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To: ngat

With that “you have no heart” about using our taxes for illegals, he sounds like another typical Democratic candidate for Presi...What? What’s that, you say? He’s running as a Republican?! Well, maybe someone ought to tell him...


156 posted on 09/23/2011 8:32:32 AM PDT by Southern Magnolia
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To: Lady Lucky
Look up Obama’s record - look at his appointments to the Supreme Court and the Treasury Dept, etc. I agree we might have different definitions of conservatives. Somebody being a hypocrite is the least of my concerns is the 2012 election. It is what they actually do to this country that worries me.
157 posted on 09/23/2011 8:34:54 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Lakeshark
To those not happy with Perry I'll ask this. Assuming no Palin; who else is there?
158 posted on 09/23/2011 8:35:09 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Liz

Wow, I almost forgot about that TTC thing. Isn’t that dead now? That oughtta be a real deal killer for anybody, regardless of the rest of the issues. I’m turning, turning turning, but to who? There are 2.

C’MON SARAH, PLEASE DON’T LET US DOWN. If she doesn’t run, I just don’t know what to do. It’s all the same ol same ol all over again, we sink, maybe just a little slower.

I agree with Rick Perry on one thing though and he should just run for President of Texas. I’d move back home in a NY minute.


159 posted on 09/23/2011 8:36:50 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: Above My Pay Grade
If it is Obama, the Democrats will get the blame and open the door for real Conservatives to take over in 2016.

If it is Obama, there will be no repeal of ObamaCare, as he will simply veto the bill. I'm not even certain there will be a USA in 2016 if Obama is re-elected. You hold fast to your selfish personal views, though. I'm willing to compromise on a candidate for the better of the country, and at this point, I'll take Perry over Romney. If Romney wins the primaries, I'll have to convince myself to support him, but as a patriot, I will pull the lever for him.

160 posted on 09/23/2011 8:37:27 AM PDT by Carling (Mitt Romney Signed a Bill that Mandated Taxpayer-funded Abortions)
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To: 101voodoo

We don’t yet have a nominee.


161 posted on 09/23/2011 8:38:02 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Liz

But..his boots are cool!


162 posted on 09/23/2011 8:39:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 101voodoo
I'll vote write in. Both Perry and Romney are Obama lite. The slow road to hell or the fast one, all the same.

Free Republic's Rino Free America Project

163 posted on 09/23/2011 8:40:14 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Liz

Interesting.


164 posted on 09/23/2011 8:40:49 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: RowdyFFC

I guess you think that Mark Levin is an idiot too, since he said the same exact thing.


165 posted on 09/23/2011 8:41:42 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Carling
What makes you think Romney will repeal Obamacare? He INVENTED Obamacare when he was governor of Massachusetts.
166 posted on 09/23/2011 8:42:33 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: org.whodat
Needs a repeat.

To those who explain away Perry's dismal debate performance b/c he has an ailing back:

If he is not physically able to carry out the duties of the office, he should take his walker and go home.

167 posted on 09/23/2011 8:43:30 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
If you're looking for rational posters who want to discuss factual issues, this isn't the site. There is a thread titled "Rick Perry Lied About Cancer Victim", and in the thread it is repeatedly pointed out that he didn't lie about meeting the woman who died from cervical cancer. I even pinged the Admins about it, and instead of changing the thread title, I was lectured about how Perry lied. I then replied to the Admin asking him to point out the lie that Perry told. I've yet to hear back, but the false thread title still holds.

FR seems to be an anti-Perry site these day, and I feel like I'm fighting a losing battle, which is going to lead to pro-choice Romney as the nominee. When the Admins allow blatant falsehoods to be posted about Rick Perry, and do nothing about it except lie themselves, it's obvious.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2782527/posts

168 posted on 09/23/2011 8:45:57 AM PDT by Carling (Mitt Romney Signed a Bill that Mandated Taxpayer-funded Abortions)
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To: Will88

1% of the population watches debates.

80% of the population will see the ads Perry runs that completely destroy Romney. All you Romney lovers are going to be crying when those hit the airwaves.


169 posted on 09/23/2011 8:48:21 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 ! Luckily we are electing a president and not a debate captain)
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To: Liz

: )


170 posted on 09/23/2011 8:48:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Obama isn’t going to repeal ObamaCare. That is the one thing I am certain of if he wins re-elections, and selfish conservatives will be as much to blame as the idiots who vote for Barry.


171 posted on 09/23/2011 8:48:54 AM PDT by Carling (Mitt Romney Signed a Bill that Mandated Taxpayer-funded Abortions)
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To: Liz

B U M P


172 posted on 09/23/2011 8:50:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Liz
*** So how did that candidacy-killer thingy----"you don't have a heart"-----escape from Perry's mealy mouth? ***

I *suspect* it may have been due to him still using Pain Killers for his recent back surgery. That would explain his wacky and sloooooooow responses.

Disclosure: I didn't watch the debate.
There was a good series on the National Geo Channel about Space Aliens causing all our past Plagues .

plus, I kinda knew how he'd do - as in -- really suck.

173 posted on 09/23/2011 8:50:29 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Reagan Man

I completely disagree, Perry could refuse to do anymore debates and still win this thing over Romney walking away. And make no mistake this is between Perry and Romney, there is no other choice.


174 posted on 09/23/2011 8:50:57 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 ! Luckily we are electing a president and not a debate captain)
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To: Lakeshark

I hate these kinds of debates

Put them in a room with a microphone and toss them a topic, and let them argue it out

We will see who comes out on top


175 posted on 09/23/2011 8:51:52 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: Carling; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator

You’re crossing the line. And have done so several times. You may want to take a break for emotional reasons. You really need to calm down.


176 posted on 09/23/2011 8:52:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: moovova

18% nationally and 30% in Houston. No comparison!


177 posted on 09/23/2011 8:53:53 AM PDT by avacado
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To: trisham

178 posted on 09/23/2011 8:55:47 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: casinva

quote “He’s FAR more articulate than I. His speeches.... WOW. He just hasn’t done well in the debates yet.”

BINGO!

sums up my views on Perry perfectly. Perry is freaking amazing in just about any other venue, but being mortal does have areas he is weak in, one of those being debates apparently.


179 posted on 09/23/2011 8:55:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 ! Luckily we are electing a president and not a debate captain)
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To: Dante3

Some people here seem to think a conservative is “anything better than the worst.”

If Obama wins, maybe, just maybe, enough people get mad enough to bust heads and shift into CW2.

Maybe we need ashes to rise from.

We are too far down the road to make further compromises. It’s like the economic mess. Borrowing when broke is bad. Short-term fixing days are over. Winging it doesn’t work during free fall.

Voting for RINOs is like printing more money. Eventually you crash.


180 posted on 09/23/2011 8:56:24 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: Poser; Kartographer; Mr Rogers
Excellent observations, all of you.

That being said, I'd actually have to give an edge to GW Bush is speaking style and ability. GWB's gaffes were entertaining. Perry's just make me cringe.

I love Michelle Bachmann second only to Sarah Palin, but I don't see that she's ready for prime time just yet.

Santorum, Cain, Newt and Mitt are all reasonably good debaters. But Cain is the only one of these four who would make it to the next round in my opinion. The other three are old news. Newt can't erase his history of not being able to control his zipper. Santorum can't erase his record of not being able to even crack 40% in his reelection battle against the guy who is arguably (with Al Franken a strong contender) the dumbest member of the U.S. Senate with a penis.

As for Mitt, I actually like the fact that he's a Mormon. There is no other religious demographic in America which are such overwhelmingly reliable conservative voters. For every screaming foaming zealot who would vote against him solely for that reason, there are two more who would vote for him just to stick it to that rabid bunch, particularly in swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida. But he cannot erase his history with socialized medicine. If he was perfect on every other issue (which he ain't), that alone would be a nonstarter. Just as Perry's support of open borders in a nonstarter.

Huntsman? He's still the invisible man. He always will be. He would do better moderating a debate than being a participant. His politics would also be closer to the moderators than to the other participants.

Ron Paul is just and he's nuts as well. The nicest thing I can say about him is that he would have made a great president a century ago. But it is 2012 we're facing, not 1912.

181 posted on 09/23/2011 9:03:31 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Lakeshark

He almost made Obama seem glib and intelligible.


182 posted on 09/23/2011 9:04:51 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: TexasFreeper2009
You have to remember that this passed the Texas legislature (one of the most conservative in the country) with all but 4 votes out of 150 voting for it. You couldn’t pass hardly anything with that kind of support anywhere much less Texas.

You continue to provide very valuable information to non-border state residents about why it is NOT in the interest of the rest of the US to have presidents, and other politicians from border states, making decision about immigration for the nation as a whole.

Examples: George W.Bush. John McCain, John Kyl, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, and Rick Perry.

Border state politicians transfer their pandering and inability to deal with the illegal alien problem to the rest of the nation if allowed to do so.

183 posted on 09/23/2011 9:05:35 AM PDT by Will88
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To: All

Perry did awful last night, a real stink bomb, the Fred Thompson of 2012, once Sarah gets in the guy will be a distant 3rd or forth. When they coined the cliche “All hat and no cattle” they must have had Rick Perry in mind. I admire and appreciate his service to our country but he is a CINO because RINO today is not such a bad thing with the Pubbies even entertaining guys like Romney or Huntsman. I bet a dime to a dozen donut’s Mittens jumps out to the lead and Newt and Cain move up and Perry drifting away. Perry’s stumbling and bumbling would be ok if he was nervous but had good ideas, but to be a mumbler and have lousy ideas on immigration is a killer. He gets no bozo buttons from me for his stance on SS, so what not all that original a position or idea to articulate. This field is an adequate bunch of VPs sans Paul, Johnson, Huntsman and Mittens, Sarah is the one to lead the revolution.


184 posted on 09/23/2011 9:06:51 AM PDT by Bronurstomp (nytflyr: #attackwatch I know where Anne Frank is hiding)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
>>>>>>I completely disagree, Perry could refuse to do anymore debates and still win this thing over Romney walking away. And make no mistake this is between Perry and Romney, there is no other choice.

You can't be serious. If Perry refused to do anymore debates he'd be laughed off the campaign trail. I've been calling this a two man race between Perry and Romney for quite some time and imo it remains that for the time being. Nothing new. But the level of unpreparedness that we witnessed from Perry last night has to concern all his supporters and defenders. Perry did good in the msnbc debate and okay in the cnn debate. While Perry had some good moments, overall last night was one of the worst debate performances I've ever seen.

In the first debate in 1984 between Reagan and Mondale, Reagan gave his poorest performance in a debate ever. He recovered and went on to beat Mondale in the second debate and trounce him in the general election. Perry can improve. Its not over, but lets not ignore what we watched on stage last night. A stumbling, bumbling Rick Perry. It was Perry's night to take it to Romney but he failed.

185 posted on 09/23/2011 9:07:16 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Vigilanteman

That makes no sense.


186 posted on 09/23/2011 9:08:40 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Will88
Border state politicians transfer their pandering and inability to deal with the illegal alien problem to the rest of the nation if allowed to do so.

So true and it would make a great tag line!

187 posted on 09/23/2011 9:08:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Yeah, if he gave the grand arrogant lecture that we can’t ask this president any questions, yes, I certainly don’t agree with him either. I don’t need these people to tell me what to think or how to act. Just give me the facts if they have any.


188 posted on 09/23/2011 9:10:04 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: Above My Pay Grade
What makes you think Romney will repeal Obamacare?

The repeal would have to come from Congress, and actually, the House has already passed a bill to repeal it. Of course, it died in the Senate.

So, a repeal of Obamacare would have to pass the House and Senate after the 2012 elections.

If a repeal did pass Congress in 2013, are you saying you think Romney would veto it rather than sign it?

189 posted on 09/23/2011 9:15:33 AM PDT by Will88
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To: TexasFreeper2009
sums up my views on Perry perfectly. Perry is freaking amazing in just about any other venue, but being mortal does have areas he is weak in, one of those being debates apparently.

True dat. ALL of dat.

LOL

190 posted on 09/23/2011 9:15:43 AM PDT by casinva (The stock in McDonalds has just gone down because Obama has been serving up so many whoppers.)
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To: Condor51; stephenjohnbanker

Obama's ready to campaign in Texas.

191 posted on 09/23/2011 9:16:59 AM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We canÂ’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

I’m now more resigned to voting for imperfect Bachmann or Gingrich. Preferably the latter, character shortcomings notwithstanding.
These two candidates know their way around the legislature, and they are clearly conservatives. Best chances of getting cooperation. Least chances of appointing traitors to the SCOTUS.
If Palin jumps in, however...I celebrate.


192 posted on 09/23/2011 9:18:02 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Heavy the head that wears the tiara.)
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To: Reagan Man

your just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

NONE OF THIS MATTERS

freaking Obama only got a 3 month bump out of kill Osama Bin Laden for goodness sake! and you think being a poor debater is going to tank Perry?

lol


193 posted on 09/23/2011 9:18:33 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 ! Luckily we are electing a president and not a debate captain)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
1% of the population watches debates.

80% of the population will see the ads Perry runs that completely destroy Romney. All you Romney lovers are going to be crying when those hit the airwaves.

Lol, you're deluded. The debates are always the largest audiences candidates are able to address, and the debates receive the most post event coverage and discussion in all news media.

And some of Perry's debate statements will make fine TV ads for his opponents once they start running ads closer to the primary voting.

194 posted on 09/23/2011 9:21:19 AM PDT by Will88
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To: DJ MacWoW

LOL, write in? Fine so you can stand proudly amid the rubble that will be all that may remain of this country, BUT at least you can say YOU stood fast for what YOU thought was right for YOU. Never mind the overall good and the need to rid ourselves of this festering cancer in the WH. As long as YOU feel good about YOU, that’s all that matters....right?

I don’t to descend into the realm of the liberal and name call but your position there is little difference between OZERO and either Romney or Perry indicates you are about as far removed from reality as is possible, OR you are a liberal plant here on the FR.


195 posted on 09/23/2011 9:24:16 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: Will88

1.8% of the population watched that debate last night, that’s a fact.

how many people watch prime time television? because that’s where the political ads will be aired.


196 posted on 09/23/2011 9:28:01 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Rick Perry 2012 ! Luckily we are electing a president and not a debate captain)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
God Bless America!

No need to go into why you like Rick Perry here, but I trust your reasons are for good, and I respect your right to like him for whatever reason he touches your life!

May God bless us ALL!

197 posted on 09/23/2011 9:28:39 AM PDT by casinva (The stock in McDonalds has just gone down because Obama has been serving up so many whoppers.)
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To: waterhill

“Man, there are a bunch of farmers in the valley who would take you to task on that”
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

Ya. A barrier fence is gonna pizz “some” people off. “Some” of those folks have land that runs right to the border.

Guess what... Any good real estate agent will tell you to take caution when buying a home that backs up to undeveloped
land because you NEVER know what might be put on it.

You pays your money and takes your chance.

What happens when your next door neighbor sells to a family with loud obnoxious teens who leave empty soda cans in
thier driveway and then they blow into your yard.. etc.. etc
Their not doing anything illegal. You can’t call the cops.

You either STOP bitc#ing and put up with it.. or you sell and MOVE.

Same with border land owners. Famers.. Ranchers.. whatever. They complain about illegals crossing their land and
leaving trash everywhere.

Then... When a border fence was proposed... they said WHOA!!! we can’t do THAT. I’ll have to give up some land
for that. And it will “ruin” the historically open border
commerce.

Ok. Whatever. Put up or shut up. Or move. Or live with it. Or hire some unemployed Mezzican ZETA’s to protect you.

Mexico used to be stable... Border was stable too....
Nothing stays the same... Change happens... $hit happens...


198 posted on 09/23/2011 9:32:09 AM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: 101voodoo
Pretty funny coming from a 2008 sign up.....the "class" that has more trolls than any other.

NOTICE: FR DOES NOT AND WILL NOT SUPPORT ABORTIONIST, GAY RIGHTS PUSHING BIG GOVERNMENT STATISTS

199 posted on 09/23/2011 9:32:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
>>>>>>your just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

No, I'm talking factual reality. Lets stay focused on last night. Perry gave a terrible debate performance. He has to regroup and get prepared for the next debate on Oct 11th. I see nothing wrong with posting that truth and neither should you.

I will keep defending Perry's record against the misfits on this forum, because even with his less than perfect immigration position, he remains a solid conservative who has done a good job as Texas Governor. Ignoring what happened last night serves no good purpose.

200 posted on 09/23/2011 9:33:27 AM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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