Skip to comments.Video: Perry’s cringe-worthiest debate moment
Posted on 09/23/2011 6:25:35 AM PDT by Lakeshark
I mentioned Rick Perrys DREAM Act debate blunder in my round-up post.
It gets second place.
The cringe-worthiest moment, by a hair, was when Perry botched what should have been his most potent attack on Mitt Romneys chronic flip-flopping. As I noted on Twitter when it happened, any random high schooler at the CPAC conference in Washington could have done better than this.
If this is how Perrys going to take Obama on in debates, were in trouble. Someone inject him with some Red Bull and a dash of Herman Cains personality.
Perry said hes in favor of making English the official language of the U.S. Perhaps he should concentrate on mastering it before the next debate
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In the real world, this is a two man race, and in that world debates wont matter, money, message, and record will and in that debate, Romney will lose everywhere that matters in Republican primaries. Romney can not win in the south or the west, he will take a handful of Northeastern liberal states, along with possibly Arizona and Utah and Perry will sweep the rest. Heck most of those people on stage last night wont even be in the race 2 months from now.
This is exactly the way I see it. I believed Perry was probably the best compromise candidate, but his debate performances have been truly awful. Some of what he said on immigration particularly was downright off putting.
We don't need another President who can't think on their feet or communicate effectively. This is the problem that plagued Bush, and Perry seems as if he could be just as poor at getting his message across.
What is striking about Perry is his complete inability to shut any of the criticisms of him down. He just can't answer any of his weaknesses effectively enough to put them to bed. My gosh, he is still allowing himself to beat up over the stupid Gardasil issue, yet Romney is slick enough to walk away nearly untouched on Romneycare.
Sadly, I lost my grip and fell off the Perry bandwagon last night.
Right now, I am planning to vote for Cain. I had wavered some about Sarah, but now I am really hoping she gets in.
I did like the format where each candidate got a short answer on some questions. I hate when only one or two get a qustion and the rest are left out.
you are on to something but don’t realize it.
We haven’t yet chosen a candidate. It’s too soon to ask that question. Our job right now is to look at what is out there for the primaries. Period.
I guess that loud boo for his comments last night was just from the “deport them all crowd.”
As I’ve been saying for a while, he is a RINOcrat pretending to be conservative. The charade is falling apart now.
We need a Bachmann-Palin alliance to combat the Mitt-Perry axis of crony capitalism.
I'll agree with you on that. I didn't watch the entire debate, but I really liked Newt last night.
You can wish that's all it was. But it wasn't.
But if youre saying we should not educate children who were brought to our state, by no fault of their own, you have no heart,
People are broke and have no jobs. He LOST on that statement.
I just dont get how he could have got this far with the way he was trippin all over his lips last night. So disappointed. Tell ya what, I wont be watching the debates if hes the nominee, Id just cry watchin him, dang
Yes, he has always been that bad. However, the Texas gubernatorial race has had little to do with debates. I don't think he even bothered to debate the dem last time. He did debate the republican challengers and came off the same way IMO; but stomped them in the primary anyway. I don't think he can get away with that approach in a presidential campaign, though.
Absolutely not, although I can’t stand MR. He is no good, but a good liar. To stand up there and say that Romneycare is somehow “different” insults my intelligence. C’mon people, how in the world can we elect somebody to take down that monstrosity OBAMANOTCARE with this guy.
But no, our country cannot survive another 4 years of that imposter, no way. Guess I’d have to vote for the magic underwear guy waiting to rule his own planet in the afterlife. I used to think I wouldn’t, but cannot stand to even look at Obama anymore.
I don’t want to go too far out on a limb, this is FR after all, and this poster would never want to incur the wrath of Jim Thompson over a debate critique.
However, Romney showed he’s far more disciplined on his feet, than Perry.
I think Perry will start on Romney now - and some of it will be effective (Perry can be charismatic).
IMHO yesterday’s debate was one of the most informative, I’ve ever seen. Very good moderating.
Very well done debate.
You think these same people will support educating them?! No.
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>>>I have a question for you and all who care to answer. If it turns out to be Romney V Barry. Would you sit this one out and give it to Barry? Lets just assume for this question that Palin does not get in.<<<
Yes, I would sit it out, or vote 3rd party. I’d rather have a Democrat destroy country in the name of Liberalism than have a RINO do it in the name of “Conservatism”. If a Perry or Romney is elected they will do so much damage to the name “Conservative” that the Democrats Socialists will dominate for the next 40 years.
Also, I want to send a message to the RINOs that we will NOT vote for their Liberal/Socialist candidates. If Romney or Perry gets the nomination, the RINO will be responsible for a 2nd term of Hussein, not the Conservatives.
Not a Houston-only phenomenon...REALTOR (NAR) report for entire USofA:
August Existing-Home Sales Rise Despite Headwinds, Up Strongly from a Year Ago
That might go over big in cattle country, now somebody ought to tell Perry he's not in Texas anymore.
He seemed completely confused, was rambling and appeared to be talking to himself. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it in a national debate.
I agree with you 100%. He IS a George W. Bush redo. If Rick wins the nomination I will vote for him.But I will be in the minority election night.
I am seeing the names on this thread and realize what kind of thread this is, but I’m posting this just in case some FReepers chance to come by and read what you all are saying.
I want you to know that while I was sad to see Perry did not do well in last night’s debate, and while I know he defends most issues that are 100% conservative but a few that are considered less than conservative, I have not tossed him out yet, and I believe other Perry supporters have not either.
For all of you people saying no Perry supporter has been around, please allow me the opportunity to show you I was here posting last night.
(Another poster on that thread)
This is actually why Obama fears Perry so much. Obama is counting on the hispanic vote to carry him to victory. Along comes Perry and suddenly Obama is facing losing a large chunk of that base.
I believe that is what Rush Limbaugh was getting at yesterday.
Upon going to that link (above) you see Rush advising his listeners that we will need to get the Texas electoral vote to win this election, and we will need to get the Hispanic vote from Obama to win this election against Obama.
Rushs segment on this yesterday was every informative, should one have ears to listen.
However, not considering whether or not we need to take the Hispanic vote from Obama to win in the general election, I dont think Perry is doing a good job in these debates explaining the entire immigration situation here.
He is particularly doing a bad job explaining himself on the Texas DREAM Act.
Here are a few things I wish he would at least address:
1. Perry needs to let people know that states have no right to deport. By not making people aware that a state can not, by any legal law in The U.S., deport immigrants, others may think, and they do, that he is soft. People mistakenly think Perry COULD send them back. He CANT, but yet too many people think that he CAN and that he just DOESNT.
Rick Perry has to get that misguided notion straightened up if anyone is even to ever come close to understanding what he is doing or why. Like it or not, neither Perry nor the State of Texas can deport illegal immigrants. That is only, by law, a federal action.
2. Rick Perry needs to tell people from OTHER STATES that if they want in-state tuition, they can get it from their own stinkin states! I get tired of hearing person after person complain that THEIR child from Kentucky, or Michigan, or Maine cant go to a Texas college with an in-state tuition rate for their child but yet... they complain that while their child cant, some illegal living in Texas CAN.
You know, its ONE argument to say you dont want illegals children getting to stay here or getting breaks. It is something totally different when they complain about not getting in-state tuition for their children for college in a state they dont even live in. They CAN get in-state tuition.. in the state where they live!
Even if Perry cant step back on his need to manage this problem we have in Texas, when he hears this complain (and I believe it was mentioned in this debate), Perry needs to look them in the eye and say If you want in-state tuition for your child, then by golly find a college in YOUR state. This is for people who are living in Texas, and YOU dont LIVE in Texas.
Sorry for that rant. Like I said, it is one thing to talk about something that would benefit a child of an illegal immigrant. It is another thing to complain about some out-of-state teenager not getting in-state tuition in Texas when they have their OWN states they can already get in-state tuition in.
3. Regarding this same issue, I have heard a few now ignorantly claim that these children of illegal immigrants living in Texas go to college FOR FREE! That is ludicrous!
Michele Bachmann quoted the DREAM Act discount as a savings of $22,000 I believe. The UT Austin website indicates a slightly lower tuition per semester rate, but when you include fees, she was probably very close.
So since she used The University of Texas Austin as her example, lets just keep it at that here.
So a child of an illegal immigrant living in Texas for at least three years (maybe a lifetime for many) who has graduated from high school, submitted their application for American citizenship and going through that citizenship process, and having been accepted to The University of Texas Austin (one of the HARDEST universities in the country to get accepted to), gets an in-state tution rate.
Besides the fact that the student had to be GOOD enough to get into college and competitive enough to get into a major university, they are STILL going to have to pay the regular in-state tuition. These stellar students are NOT going to school for FREE.
4. I also wish Perry would point out that these students who are entering Texas colleges are in the process of working on and receiving their American citizenship. They are taking actions available through our federal government to be citizens, and the government would have track of them at that point and KNOW if they were following through their citizenship process as well (a cost of approximately $30,000.00 per person), that cost IN ADDITION TO the in-state tuition that student is paying out of his or her own (or familys) pocket.
Of all the above points, I would think that would be the one that Perry could be the most proud of getting out to people.
I live in Texas, and I understand this is not a matter of wanting to reward illegal immigrants but more a situation we have to manage so that we are not left with these folk in the gutters killing each other (and us), selling drugs, making a living through prostitution rings, etc. Texas does not want all that junk in our state! So... we MANAGE the situation we are left with because of a lax federal government that has not protected us as it should have done and has not deported the illegal immigrants that should have been deported.
I also understand what Texas politicians feel they must do to manage the situation does not come off well to many others.
I just wish Rick Perry would clear up some of the absolute nonsense that is being thrown about with this issue and what is or is not being done here - what can, and can not be done here - and what has, and has not been done here in Texas.
This is not going to be his best issue with conservatives, and some people are going to be upset with The DREAM Act regardless, but my golly, when these incorrect fallacies are mentioned or people just dont have the right information, the least he could do for himself is to defend what he can and correct all he should.
But just for me... HEY PEOPLE, ITS NOT FREE.
I think the debates may matter more than you think. They have served to make Romney appear far less objectionable than he did previously. I know Mitt is a flip flopping chameleon, but I've gotta say his effective debate performances are probably changing a lot of other peoples minds. If conservative media starts really warming up to him, he could do much better in some of these primaries than you think.
Romney will lose everywhere that matters in Republican primaries. Romney can not win in the south or the west,
I'm not so sure. Had Perry even held his own last night I'd continue agreeing with you here, but man, Perry was awful. Not only did he not debate well, some of his statements were down right offensive. The idea people don't have a heart if they don't support Texas's version of the DREAM act was just....well, really bad.
Trouble is, the Rio Grande is like international waters.
It is treatized (or whatever) so that both countries can benefit from it.
Its a problem, but we (the U.S.) signed something away and said we would share or whatever.
I’m with you, cause it ain’t that reliable of a river. ( I doubt they have to swim here lately).
“What is wrong with Rick Perry? I mean, cmon man, how long has he been in politics now? Has he always been this nervous and a bad debater? I was for him, now Im hoping against hope that SP gets in.
I just dont get how he could have got this far with the way he was trippin all over his lips last night. So disappointed. Tell ya what, I wont be watching the debates if hes the nominee, Id just cry watchin him, dang”
This is what those of us in the know have been sayin’ all along. He did not debate his last political opponent, Bill White, a Harvard lawyer from Houston, at all. Just flat refused to, and us Perry supporters knew that was the right move.
I had two huge porblems with bush.....spending and illegal immigration. Perry sounded like Bush on protecting our borders. Since I live 45 miles from the largest border crossing (San Ysidro) and in a sanctuary city and state, I know exactly how the open borders policies effect us....none of it good.
Slight correction: he gave fuel to the democrats last night! We will now hear
news opinion segments where the commentator says: "Even Republican candidate Rick Perry supports the DREAM act...."
I agree with you.
The Perry I saw last night, poses an existential threat to Obama.
Not so much to Romney, but that “heartless” talk will indeed neutralize much of Obama’s racial politics - he’ll keep his own core of racially-based core black voting base - but Obama’s got nothing on Perry for Latinos.
That gaze into the camera talking about the woman with cancer, in his office was pretty well done.
If Perry can keep from getting knocked out of the race by Romney, he’ll clobber Obama.
I think he has already done that with his "last names" pander in the last debate, and the "heartless" pander last night.
I'm sorry, we don't have to play to racism (racist orgs like LaRaza) and liberal for the children lines to win.
Most of us saw the real Rick Perry, he was the only candidate booed (twice) last night, and it wasn't because he was a bumbler, it's because of his stance and record concerning illegals.
Ha, sorry to re-use your opening sentence - but we wrote that independently I believe. :)
“Swap their constituencies and you’d swap their records.”
Worth repeating. Perry’s conservatism isn’t from the heart, but what he needed to be elected in Texas. Mitt...well, his conservatism is also head knowledge. He can talk about the 2nd Amendment, for example, but it will never be a part of who he is.
Both are mirrors. They reflect the views of whoever they want votes from. And put either in Washington DC, and the people surrounding them will be liberals - because let’s face it, most of the Republicans in DC are liberal in their hearts.
I agree with you. You don't have to like or support Romney to see he is a polished debater who is quick on his feet.
I think Perry will start on Romney now - and some of it will be effective (Perry can be charismatic).
I hope so. I have believed Perry was probably our best option for awhile now, but his ineffective debate performances are a major concern.
IMHO yesterdays debate was one of the most informative, Ive ever seen. Very good moderating.
I agree with you. I don't get why some people are complaining about it. I thought the debate was quite good and very informative.
They are going to explain it the same as always, who are you going to believe them are your own lying eyes and ears.
Here’s the thing. If re-elected, Obama will further damage America. If elected, Romney or Perry will further damage America.
If it is Obama, the Democrats will get the blame and open the door for real Conservatives to take over in 2016. If Perry/Romney get elected “conservatives” will get the blame for the damage they do and there will be little hope for this country.
Both scenarios are grim, but at least the “Obama further wrecks the country and the Democrats get the blame” scenario has a glimmer of hope it in down the road.
Of course, the real solution is to REJECT both scenarios and nominate a REAL conservative like Palin or Bachmann and have that conservative win the general election.
“Listen, if Cain or Gingrich can somehow surge out of the single digits and win this somehow, I will do backflips, but that isn’t going to happen.”
“In the real world, this is a two man race, and in that world debates wont matter, money, message, and record will and in that debate, Romney will lose everywhere that matters in Republican primaries. Romney can not win in the south or the west, he will take a handful of Northeastern liberal states, along with possibly Arizona and Utah and Perry will sweep the rest. Heck most of those people on stage last night wont even be in the race 2 months from now.”
You are right, but nobody is going to surge out of that pack of 7 other candidate also-rans, and I think at least 3 will drop in 2 weeks from now.
But, the next debate is scheduled for Oct. 11. two and a half weeks from now - and I predict that by then at least two new candidates will throw their hat in the ring.
I never go on negative threads against Perry. I’ve seen the childish attacks against Perry and it is a waste of time.
>>>This is exactly the way I see it. I believed Perry was probably the best compromise candidate, but his debate performances have been truly awful. Some of what he said on immigration particularly was downright off putting. <<<
It is not really his debate “performance” that bothered me. If he stumbled and stammered but stood for the right things, I’d be a bit concerned, but still back him.
But when he LIED about the influence the cancer patient had on his decision to mandate Gardasil and claimed that those who think it is wrong to steal tax dollar from hard working Americans to subsidize college tuition for illegal aliens invaders, “don’t have a heart”, he lost me forever.
I agree with TexasFreeper2009 that this is still a two-person race, Perry and Romney, but I also believe Perry put a bit of a pinhole in his bouncing tent.
He needs to get out there, patch his little hole, and give his supporters some fresh air after last night's debate so that little pinhole doesn't get bigger and his supporters won't hyperventilate after last night's less-than-stellar performance; and he needs to start focusing on getting "himself" out there instead of comparing himself to Romney.
If you can, please check out post 80 of this thread. If Perry were giving out INFORMATION and correcting the falsehoods out there on some of his vulnerable issues, I think he would still have lost some on this one issue, but he would not have done the damage that he did last night with his "heartless" comment.
"I saw it all on TV. Who wants to buy the record of a guy with a glass jaw?"
Wrong. One should be able to convey points articulately WITHOUT INSULTING THOSE WHO DISAGREE. Especially a president. MARK MY WORDS.
Didn’t watch the debate, and haven’t seen the video clip, but I heard some of Perry’s meandering, stumbling replies on talk radio this morning. He sounded like someone who was trying to speak coherently after being suddenly awoken in the middle of the night.
All that “compassionate conservatism” over illegals didn’t sit well, either.
You folks need to be worried about Mittens as your nominee and that should scare the hell out of you...this is who they are pushing...because Sarah Palin isn’t going to run...
“He seemed completely confused, was rambling and appeared to be talking to himself. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like it in a national debate.”
“Like Rush said, seems like Perry loses energy at about 1 hour into a debate.”
This can be explained easily. You did not hear about the back problems, and the major back surgery he underwent just before he announced his candidacy.
Similar to my experience. I spent many hours defending Bush on all sorts of varied issues, but the very day he referred to citizens trying to put a halt to the insanity of the open-border as “vigilantes,” I stopped defending him entirely. On everything. I never uttered a single word in support of him to anyone on any issue ever again. Ever.
I believe Perry is entering similar territory with me now. I’ve already been warning folks on this board about his weakness on border/illegals issues, following years of observing him here in Texas. Just so people knew. Anyway, with these two debate examples (”the sound of your last name” and “you have no heart”), he’s pretty much outed himself, solidifying my mistrust in him. These are the kind of statements that turn me from a plain critic of some of his stances to really starting to loathe him.
It is a big deal when I try to sign up for a college class and they want to charge me out-of-state tuition even though Ive lived and worked here for 7 years. But the kid of an illegal gets to take the same class for free. So my mother defected here from Cuba and did everything right and became a citizen and her son is charged a fee I cant afford just because Im an American citizen who wasnt born in Texas.
Cain, Newt and Santorum were good. Perry reminded me of the good old boy who tried to seduce me in front of my boyfriend’s back with “it’s okay God will forgive us”.
“...but I heard some of Perrys meandering, stumbling replies on talk radio this morning. He sounded like someone who was trying to speak coherently after being suddenly awoken in the middle of the night.”
See post #94.
He was truly awful, far worse than I expected. His supporters can no longer defend his milquetoast positions, his pandering and bumbling was on stage for all to see, he was an embarrassment.
I actually expected better, thinking the negative descriptions I read about his earlier performances must have been exaggerated. They're not.
you have no business being on a conservative website. Your arguments have logic holes big enough to drive a truck through and are not conservative. Fail.
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