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US general: Mexico part of 'North American family'
Associated Press ^ | Sept. 23, 2011 | DAN ELLIOTT

Posted on 09/23/2011 7:07:22 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. (AP) -- The U.S. shares responsibility with Mexico for confronting the danger posed by international crime rings that ship drugs across the border, a top American general said Friday.

Army Gen. Charles H. Jacoby Jr., head of the U.S. Northern Command, said Mexico isn't just a neighbor but "part of our North American family."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charlesjacoby; generaljacoby; mexico; nau; northamericafamily
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1 posted on 09/23/2011 7:07:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Both are North American but that’s where any resemblance ends.


2 posted on 09/23/2011 7:10:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

I consider Central America to start just south of the Rio Grande.


3 posted on 09/23/2011 7:12:54 PM PDT by JMS
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Relatives like that are why I avoid family reunions.


4 posted on 09/23/2011 7:13:32 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We do NOT have 30 million guest bedrooms.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 7:16:36 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: JMS

The general is correct. Mexico is in N America. It also has a responsibility to control drug cartels and its own border. It is a sovereign country.


6 posted on 09/23/2011 7:17:56 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We’re all Gaia’s children, right General?


7 posted on 09/23/2011 7:21:34 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Barry gives them $535 million and they take "the fifth" when asked where it went.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What in the hell is a “North American family”??


8 posted on 09/23/2011 7:22:23 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If I were Mexico, I would be worried. Very worried.

This is the government that moved into Libya without getting approval of Congress because things were in chaos there.

It is also the government has been telling its citizens to think of the government as part of their family. (You know — the mooching, tax-raising part of the family.)

Now they are telling Mexico that Mexico is part of the family. And what does daddy do when the kids misbehave and start shooting each other (with guns that “daddy” let walk south of the border)? Why you have to just step in and *do* something. (It’s a Progressive thing. Look at Woodrow Wilson and Vera Cruz.)

After all, there is an election next year, and you know what they say works to distract attention from domestic problems. . .


9 posted on 09/23/2011 7:29:34 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: KoRn

Just where the heck do all these PC addled so-called leaders come from????? What a pin-head and embarrassment.


10 posted on 09/23/2011 7:29:53 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Damn. I wish my past was not so shady looking, I'd run for office, win, and tell that a-whole a thing or two about personal responsibility.
11 posted on 09/23/2011 7:30:46 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Just wait until Jerome Corsi gets hold of this!


12 posted on 09/23/2011 7:38:48 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: No Truce With Kings

They’re probably praying (in Mexico) that we’ll do just that.


13 posted on 09/23/2011 7:42:16 PM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Why do "Mexicans" speak Spanish instead of Mexican? In the US tribes speak their own language. Mexicans, if they're really Mexicans should speak Nahuatl which is one of the 63 languages of Mexico.

Nahuatl was the language employed by the Aztec civilization when Spanish conqueror Hernan Cortez arrived in the New World in 1519 and has been spoken in Mesoamerica since at least AD 700.

The Nahuatl dialect that was spoken in the Aztec capital city of Tenochititlan (modern day Mexico City) was considered a prestige dialect, and when it was combined with the Latin alphabet, the resulting dialect became known as Classical Nahuatl. While Nahuatl is still spoken, the current version has been so influenced by Spanish throughout the years that no modern day Mexicans speak Classical Nahuatl

14 posted on 09/23/2011 7:53:58 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: No Truce With Kings

Too farfetched. The Mexican government has more influence over the US government than American citizens do - until there is a sea change in D.C. they are 100% safe to continue their narco-state status quo.


15 posted on 09/23/2011 7:54:08 PM PDT by icanhasbailout
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The general is full of sheet...its part of the continent but not of our family....those that want Mexico and Canada and the US to be one big family is nutz...I'm not too crazy about some of our states...:O)
17 posted on 09/23/2011 7:57:32 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: KoRn

“What in the hell is a “North American family”??”

It is the counterweight to the European Union, and countries like India & China that have a billion people each.


18 posted on 09/23/2011 8:06:56 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: SkyDancer

“Why do “Mexicans” speak Spanish instead of Mexican?”

For the same reason Americans speak English instead of American.


19 posted on 09/23/2011 8:08:02 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

No, uh-uh. Americans speak American. English speak a language they invented but can’t speak. Spanish has no correlation to N’ahuatl which was the predominate language of Mexico-Tenochtitlan at the time of Cortez.


20 posted on 09/23/2011 8:14:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: SkyDancer

And American has no correlation to Mohawk; what’s your point?

I didn’t know American was considered a language; I’ve never seen that anywhere else but your post.


21 posted on 09/23/2011 8:18:39 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Give me a break.

General — you are a commander in the UNTIED STATES ARMY. You uphold the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. Mexico? They are no kin to us. Many of their citizens are, in fact, a threat to us. The drug cartels, Coyotes who help illegals cross our border, gun-runners — ALL of them are our ENEMIES. STOP trying to impress the politicians and hold your tongue. Soon we’ll get a REAL C-in-C in office, and maybe THEN you can do what NEEDS to be done. But if you keep up this “family” talk, it’s obvipous you’re stuck on stupid, and we’ll need a new General or 2....or 20...


22 posted on 09/23/2011 8:35:20 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: kearnyirish2

Oh, Kay, we speak English. Happy? Or rather an English dialect. Back to main point. If Mexicans say they’re Mexicans then whey do they speak Spanish? They tell us to go back to Europe. Perhaps then those Spanish speaking Mexicans should go back to Spain.


23 posted on 09/23/2011 8:40:52 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: SkyDancer

Most of Mexico’s population isn’t European at all; it is one of the few countries where the true natives had a large role in their battle for independence from Spain (unlike the US, or South America). The ruling class (like Vicente Fox, the 6’+ white guy that was their president) are European-descended. I don’t think “Fox” is European Spanish or any native tongue from Mexico. Mexicans know that without European intervention they’d still be living like people in Papua, New Guinea; they’d have nowhere to run to to send remittances back home. Anyone in Latin America can look at Cuba to see “Life Without White People” (like the History Channel’s “Life After People”); even many Cubans can remember their Angola expedition...

Mexicans speaks a Spanish dialect in the same manner we speak an English one.


24 posted on 09/23/2011 8:50:32 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: hal ogen

There is nothing factually incorrect in the article, and the NORTHCOM Cdr is building/sustaining relationships with his Mexican counterparts, hence the rhetoric.

On a personal note, I have worked directly for GEN Jacoby in a previous assignment. It would be difficult to find a more intelligent and less pretentious leader in the army.

I don’t recall him being a “pin-head and embarrassment”, but perhaps your experience working with him was different...

regards,


25 posted on 09/23/2011 9:09:38 PM PDT by Thunder 6
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To: kearnyirish2
In any event, it was Spain who came up into southwest US, not Mexico. And one of the reasons Spain did was to counter Russia who was coming down from Alaska. Mexicans may have come across the Rio Grande from time to time but never established any settlements in what is the USA. That was because of native Indians kicking them back; they'd run into the Yuman tribes, the Pima and Papago, the Pueblo, and the Navajo and Apache.

My point being that Mexico has no claim to any part of southwest US as they say. Then too, it goes back to why don't they speak any of the 63 indigenous languages in Mexico? There still are native Mexicans but then most are direct descendants of Spanish Conquistadors.

26 posted on 09/23/2011 9:13:20 PM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: SkyDancer

Spain settled much of the Southwest and Pacific coast, but Russia had little to do with it; when Lewis & Clark set out to map the “Louisiana Purchase”, Spain sent troops to try to intercept them - Spain had already claimed much of that land, but was unable to settle it in any numbers - their competition (which later became ours) was British claims.

Spain held much of the “American Southwest” until Mexico gained their independence; Mexico then owned the territory, but couldn’t defend it against American designs (Santa Anna of Alamo fame/infamy was in the Spanish army until independence; he then led the new Mexican army). The US doesn’t even dispute this; we paid Mexico for the land we took.

Descendants of conquistadores, or any other other Spaniards, are a very small percentage of Mexico’s population; it is an Indian nation. Some Latin American countries had few or no natives; they are “white” countries today (Argentina, Chile, Uruguay). Others had few Spanish settlers; they are “Indian” countries today (Peru, Ecuador, Honduras). Mexico is undoubtedly one of the latter; Spaniards bear little resemblance to the dark little hobbits filling Mexico and California.


27 posted on 09/23/2011 9:29:30 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Army Gen. Charles H. Jacoby Jr., head of the U.S. Northern Command, said Mexico isn't just a neighbor but "part of our North American family."
28 posted on 09/23/2011 9:43:18 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Army Gen. Charles H. Jacoby Jr., head of the U.S. Northern Command, said Mexico isn't just a neighbor but "part of our North American family."

I've said some really dumb things in my time, but I was never a General.

Then again, maybe the things I said weren't that dumb after all.

29 posted on 09/23/2011 9:55:38 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny?)
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To: kearnyirish2

Yes....so is Costa Rica. No indigenous people lived in the central value when the small Spanish farmers immigrated from regions to the south. In fact, Caribbean blacks were not allowed off the coasts and inland until 1948. Costa Ricans are mostly descendants of white Europeans.


30 posted on 09/23/2011 10:02:48 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: SkyDancer
According to historian Charles Mann, there were 25 million people in the “New World” when Cortez arrived in 1519.
One hundred years later, the estimate was 700,000.
31 posted on 09/23/2011 10:03:22 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: xzins

Without American citizens buying those illegal drugs the cartels would never exist.

So legalize the drugs or execute drug users and either way the problem will go away.


32 posted on 09/23/2011 11:16:20 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Cant any of these people in our government please stop taking each others phases and beating us to death with them?

Obama has “let me make this clear”

Janet Crapo-tan-0 said recently “The Federal Family”

Now we have a general telling us we related to Latin folks south of the border. Like a family.

No one in my family smuggles drugs, enter other countries illegally 1 or more times, work for peanuts, breed large families, hang out at Home Depot to get work or kidnap people,

Saddam Hussein said he was going to wage the “Mother of all battles against the US”. Now we have the Mother of this and the Mother of that everytime you turn around.

Tarmac and ramping up are two more that stand out too

I just want to puke everytime I hear someone spout off a phase that someone has already used. This of course gets used over and over again and again. Then they wonder why all of us in “flyover country” are so pissed at them.

None of them, not even one have a coherent thought in their heads. They all want to copy what others have already said.


33 posted on 09/23/2011 11:53:27 PM PDT by MRBIGMUTTS
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To: KoRn

The General played the RISK game with his natural family a bit too much as a child and has delusions of conquering the world?


34 posted on 09/23/2011 11:57:27 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: kearnyirish2

True about mexico and mexicans. Just look at the buggers and it’s plain to see that they are a breed of indians.


35 posted on 09/24/2011 4:19:24 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: kearnyirish2; SkyDancer
There are Mexicans that don't speak spanish. They still speak their native language(6%). There are 68 recognized indigenous languages in Mexico. You can look at wikipedia or other sources on this.

Mexicans fall into 1 of 3 groups. 60% mestizo, 30% amerindian, 10% white.(CIA Fact Book)

Of the mestizos, some break then down into 2 groups. Big Mexicans like ex President Fox and small Mexicans like president Calderon.

36 posted on 09/24/2011 4:53:26 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: hoosierham

Yes. I agree. The 2nd will never be done, so that leaves the 1st


37 posted on 09/24/2011 4:59:46 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Not a single comment on the aspects of this being part of a North American Union ploy?
The seeds are being watered with this "We Are Family" BS, IMO.
38 posted on 09/24/2011 5:41:48 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Wife and visited Oaxaca some years ago and the hotel clerk was giving orders in one of the indigenous languages, then quickly returned to Spanish to greet us. My Spanish must have been so painful for her that she immediately responded with “I speak English, senior...”
39 posted on 09/24/2011 5:51:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Depends on which historian you read. I’ve read estimates of about five to seven million on the North American continent which seems more likely. Most Indians didn’t live in huge cities where most population growth takes place. I’d say the five million estimate is closest to the truth.


40 posted on 09/24/2011 6:59:10 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Depends on which historian you read. I’ve read estimates of about five to seven million on the North American continent which seems more likely. Most Indians didn’t live in huge cities where most population growth takes place. I’d say the five million estimate is closest to the truth.


41 posted on 09/24/2011 7:00:56 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: kearnyirish2

Good info, thanks.


42 posted on 09/24/2011 7:15:39 AM PDT by SkyDancer (A critic is like a legless man who teaches running.)
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To: kearnyirish2; SkyDancer
I didn’t know American was considered a language; I’ve never seen that anywhere else but your post.

Its in the same family of languages as "Austrian" - another language Obama doesn't know.

43 posted on 09/24/2011 7:21:42 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: driftless2
I worked my way through “1493” and am now reading the first of this series titled “1491.” Both by Charles Mann.
According to Mann's research, some of the old Spanish records indicate more than five million Mexica in the Mexico City basin alone...
44 posted on 09/24/2011 7:33:17 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: philman_36
Not a single comment on the aspects of this being part of a North American Union ploy?

The seeds are being watered with this "We Are Family" BS, IMO.

The original planting was NAFTA. Ross Perot was right and he was the only candidate who was. No, I didn't vote for him but he was still right about NAFTA.

45 posted on 09/24/2011 8:52:23 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: mick

Interesting; I never knew much about Costa Rica.


46 posted on 09/24/2011 12:05:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Ben Ficklin

You could apply American demographics to all of those stats; a number of Americans don’t speak English, instead speaking their native tongues.

Interesting stats, though; are 99% of the Mestizos “small”? It certainly seems that way.


47 posted on 09/24/2011 12:29:55 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: SkyDancer

“Why do “Mexicans” speak Spanish instead of Mexican?”

The Spanish were VERY good at what they did. Plenty of words remain and there are plenty of dialects, but you make a great point. Languages live or they become latin.

Laying the Latin alphabet over Nahuatl set it’s course.


48 posted on 09/24/2011 12:30:57 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: mick

Years ago we were at a meeting in Argentina and standing in quite a crowd. Some character tried to “pick” my billfold pocket. I felt it and knocked his hand away.

I had been in Spain for 18 months in the Air Force and do not speak fluent Spanish though I could survive if needed. Without thinking, in the only Spanish I knew, I said, “Hey man, you want to go to the cemetery today!” He apparently understood me and said “No.” I told him to “get out of here,” and he left!


49 posted on 09/24/2011 1:54:36 PM PDT by Vernon
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If you look at the Aztec and Mayan civilizations, you’ll see larger numbers. But north of Mexico, the numbers were probably never more than five million. The historians looked at the absence of cities and the nomadic life of most Indians and calculated that it would have been very difficult to build up large numbers of people. We must be wary of work done by leftist academicians who look to inflate numbers for political purposes.


50 posted on 09/24/2011 2:49:38 PM PDT by driftless2
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