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Moderate Muslims Rally Against Extremism in London
Arutz Sheva ^ | 24/9/11

Posted on 09/24/2011 1:58:35 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

Thousands of Muslims gathered in London on Saturday at a rally "to fight extremism and promote a moderate, inclusive version of Islam."

The event's organizers, Minhaj-ul-Quran International, said prior to the event that some 12,000 Muslims are expected at Wembley Arena. The group's founder, Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, told journalists that killing innocents is forbidden in Islam and Muslims must integrate into the societies in which they are living.

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12,000 are expected. How many showed up?
1 posted on 09/24/2011 1:58:41 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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To: Eleutheria5

Yeah, whatever.


2 posted on 09/24/2011 2:00:03 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Eleutheria5

>>The event’s organizers, Minhaj-ul-Quran International, said prior to the event that some 12,000 Muslims are expected at Wembley Arena. The group’s founder, Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, told journalists that killing innocents is forbidden in Islam and Muslims must integrate into the societies in which they are living.

Those should be praised for speaking out.


3 posted on 09/24/2011 2:01:29 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: Eleutheria5

“The group’s founder, Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, told journalists that killing innocents is forbidden in Islam and Muslims must integrate into the societies in which they are living.”

Is he in hiding now or just waiting for them to come?


4 posted on 09/24/2011 2:01:46 PM PDT by Garvin (When it comes to my freedom, there will be no debate. There will be a fight)
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To: Eleutheria5

People of muslim descent who don’t follow their religion. That’s good. Should be encouraged.

We must still get them out though. Like anyone who’s been in close proximity to an extremely dangerous virus, they must be in quarantine for an extended period to ensure that the symptoms do not return.


5 posted on 09/24/2011 2:02:19 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Eleutheria5

I see the words “moderate” and “muslim”, and am having a difficult time understanding the two words together as a coherent thought.


6 posted on 09/24/2011 2:02:59 PM PDT by svcw (It is who I am, it is what I do.)
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To: Christie at the beach

Problem arises when you learn that if you are not muslim you are not innocent - big qualifier.


7 posted on 09/24/2011 2:05:07 PM PDT by svcw (It is who I am, it is what I do.)
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To: Garvin

Possibly Taqiyya from get-go. Invent moderate Islam, and then claim that it is the main stream, so best deal with them. Good Imam/Bad Imam game. Then again, it could be true. Just wait and see, I suppose.


8 posted on 09/24/2011 2:08:50 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Possibly Taqiyya from get-go.

I agree.

...must integrate into the societies in which they are living

He might mean "infiltrate." Just lay low for now until the signal comes. It would be good to know what the "moderate" mosques are teaching.

9 posted on 09/24/2011 2:12:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Christie at the beach

Yes, give them credit. This is what we have been waiting for the moderate muslims to say since 9-11. And it took courage.


10 posted on 09/24/2011 2:12:39 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: Eleutheria5

Moderate muslims.....much like the loch ness monster. Much talked about but never seen.


11 posted on 09/24/2011 2:14:38 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Let's apply the "reasonable man" standard to gun laws. How many would stand?)
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To: Eleutheria5

12 posted on 09/24/2011 2:15:09 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: svcw
Problem arises when you learn that if you are not muslim you are not innocent - big qualifier.

Yes, exactly.

I wonder if evil Zionist "settlers", aka West bank Jewish babies and Grandmas, are innocent?

One must assume not until proven otherwise.

13 posted on 09/24/2011 2:21:51 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Eleutheria5

Jews and Hindus not invited..


14 posted on 09/24/2011 2:23:01 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: svcw

What’s the matter with you — don’t you understand taqiyya talkie-talkie?


15 posted on 09/24/2011 2:23:01 PM PDT by 353FMG (Liberalism is Satan's handiwork.)
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To: Eleutheria5
Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, told journalists that killing innocents is forbidden

Define "innocent".

16 posted on 09/24/2011 2:24:37 PM PDT by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Good idea. Hope they don’t get overwhelmed by the whackjob element.


17 posted on 09/24/2011 2:26:38 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Obama Administration is unprincipled, corrupt, and corrupting.)
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To: VietVet; Christie at the beach
Yes, give them credit. This is what we have been waiting for the moderate muslims to say since 9-11. And it took courage.

Agreed, and it's too long in coming.

In the months leading up to the 10th anniversary of the 9-11 atrocities, what I saw plenty of was:

What I didn't see or hear in that entire ten years was one single instance of a Muslim condemning those abominations, or urging anything less than "Islam as Jihad."
18 posted on 09/24/2011 2:31:57 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Eleutheria5
The group's founder, Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, told journalists that killing innocents is forbidden in Islam and Muslims must integrate into the societies in which they are living.

Doubts remain.

However if you can take his statements at face value, then he must be a very courageous guy. Certainly he must understand the fate that his co-religionists are planning for him as he speaks...

19 posted on 09/24/2011 2:43:56 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Eleutheria5
Well, I'd like to salute them for their courage, but unless they gathered and said 'we are Muslims and we repudiate the koran', it seems like a fairly null event.
Their unholy book is the root of the problem (well, the root of the problem is man's natural depravity, but the koran excites this depraved nature and provides an instruction manual for executing mayhem). But if they repudiate the koran they are no longer Muslims..
So, I apologize because I am sure many of the participants are sincere, but I can't register more than a shoulder shrug given that the root of the problem is not addressed.
20 posted on 09/24/2011 2:50:55 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

Maybe they are like Unitarian Muslims or something.


21 posted on 09/24/2011 2:56:51 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Christie at the beach
"Those should be praised for speaking out."

I wholeheartedly agree.

22 posted on 09/24/2011 2:57:45 PM PDT by Infralutheran
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To: martin_fierro
What I didn't see or hear in that entire ten years was one single instance of a Muslim condemning those abominations, or urging anything less than "Islam as Jihad."

While there were far too condemnations of the 9/11 terror attacks, there were a few Muslims who were very vocal in condemning them. Muhammad Ali was one of them.

23 posted on 09/24/2011 3:01:36 PM PDT by Infralutheran
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To: El Cid

Agreed. It seems like these may be folks who were raised in Islam but don’t really believe it like many nominal Christians don’t believe in the Bible and many nominal Jews don’t believe in the Torah.


24 posted on 09/24/2011 3:13:33 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ilovesarah2012

There are no ‘moderate’ Muslims. Only OBEDIENT and DISOBEDIENT ones.
The Koran is the problem. Islam is the problem.
We were not ok with anyone who believed in Nazism in WW2, we cannot be ok with anyone who believes in Islam now.
As long as we are....we lose!


25 posted on 09/24/2011 3:19:07 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: svcw

If you’re not Muslim you’re not innocent-if you’re not Muslim you’re not even ‘people’. THAT is the biggest qualifier!


26 posted on 09/24/2011 3:20:50 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: 353FMG
don’t you understand taqiyya talkie-talkie?

I doubt they were all Shia.

27 posted on 09/24/2011 3:26:24 PM PDT by Gondring (Gone d'Anconia)
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To: svcw

Moderate muslims are not in a hurry to blow you up or slit your throat.

They are willing to wait for the caliphate, and give you the choice of conversion, dhimmitude with payment of the jizya tax, OR death.


28 posted on 09/24/2011 3:57:42 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Eleutheria5

Probably 10.


29 posted on 09/24/2011 4:40:16 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: Eleutheria5

Hopefully there will be more Muslims speaking out against terrorism.


30 posted on 09/24/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: ClearBlueSky

Well said.


31 posted on 09/24/2011 4:54:06 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: donna
Define "innocent".

That's a Muslim male that has not had sex with your girlfriend or goat and has not seen your wife's head uncovered.

32 posted on 09/24/2011 4:56:21 PM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Problem is that Nazism and Islam have been joined at the hip since Yasser Arafat's uncle, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and SS Reichfuhrer Heinrich Himmler were plotting the Final Solution to the Jews in Europe and Waffen SS Mountain Divisions (German and Muslim) were doing genocide in the Balkans (1943-1945). Pan Arabism, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Ba’ath Party, and other Muslim Middle East groups have Nazi influences. The cancer has spread. It was only momentarily checked when Germany surrendered on 8 May 1945. The legacy lives today.
33 posted on 09/24/2011 5:13:32 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Eleutheria5

Good luck with that. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. This would be a ploy to help keep the “moderate” Christan and Jew heads in the sand.

If the other than “moderate” Muslims ever get the upper hand the “moderate” Muslims will be no where to be found.


34 posted on 09/24/2011 5:26:42 PM PDT by kt56 (Molon Labe)
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To: Eleutheria5
Mark me down as skeptical5

thanks,

35 posted on 09/24/2011 6:32:50 PM PDT by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: Eleutheria5; ilovesarah2012

‘Thousands of Muslims have attended a peace conference in London which has condemned terrorism.

About 12,000 Muslims gathered at Wembley Arena for Islamic group Minhaj-ul-Quran’s Peace for Humanity Conference.

The conference launched a campaign to get one million people to sign an online declaration of peace by 2012.

Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri said the conference would send a message that 10 years of extremist activity should end.

‘Love and smiles’

Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri is the founder of Minhaj-ul-Quran and gave the keynote speech at the event, despite having received death threats after issuing a fatwa - or religious ruling - against terrorism last year.

The cleric was repeatedly applauded during his address in which he said the “terrible” 9/11 attacks in the US had distorted perceptions of Islam over the past decade.

Continue reading the main story
Analysis
Colette McBeth

BBC News


Normally it’s pop stars who attract the big crowds at Wembley Arena. Today it is the renowned Islamic scholar Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri.

You can even see posters of him on the buses travelling through the streets near the stadium.

But his message is a serious one. He preaches that there are no conditions under which extremism and the violence it endorses can be excused.

It’s a message that has found a big audience here at Wembley but one which has ironically made him the subject of death threats from those who don’t believe in peace.
He told the audience: “In spite of statements and memorandum and condemnation of the terror, the voices of the 99% true, peace-loving Muslims have not been heard, they have been drowned out by the clamour and the noise of extremists.

“Islam has nothing to do with any act of terrorism. We reject every act of extremism and terrorism unconditionally.”

The event, which took one year to organise, was attended by people from across the UK, many of whom arrived in coaches.

Those who attended heard a series of lengthy and impassioned speeches, some in Arabic, from Islamic scholars denouncing terrorism and extremism.’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797


36 posted on 09/25/2011 3:04:15 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: Dallas59

Wrong, they were invited and attended, anyone was free to attend. In fact a rabbi and a hindu priest were amongst various faiths represented at the rally.

‘The audience heard pre-recorded messages of support from, amongst others, Prime Minister David Cameron, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, opposition leader Ed Miliband, United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams.

And there were prayers for peace from representatives from a number of different religions including the Bishop of Barking, the Rt Rev David Hawkins, Jewish rabbis and representatives from the Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh faiths.’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15044797


37 posted on 09/25/2011 3:06:35 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

12000.


38 posted on 09/25/2011 3:07:34 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
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To: MasterGunner01

I agree, the enemy hasn’t changed. The question is- why have we? Was my father’s generation the LAST of Americans who were unafraid to call evil what was and put everything they had into countering it? Seems so.
I keep trying to imagine today’s ‘lets understand them’ mindset in 1942. It would have been unthinkable, and called what it was-collaborating with the enemy.
Is America really that suicidal now, in the name of ‘fairness’?


39 posted on 09/25/2011 8:51:26 AM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ClearBlueSky
The only thing I can figure is that this PC mania about not “offending” anyone has been coupled with the American Left’s determination to destroy the United States and rebuild it into some weird Marxist utopia. The Left looks at Muslims as “victims” with grievances against America and has made common cause with them. What the idiots on the Left do not understand and refuse to recognize is — if they win and destroy the “evil” United states -- their Muslim allies will exterminate them.

If the Muslim whackos pull off another 9/11 attack and thousands of Americans die, I would not want to be either a Leftie nutter or Muslim. American rage would be akin to 8 December 1941 and the Mainstream Media couldn't lie enough to change minds.

40 posted on 09/26/2011 11:44:07 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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