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Shock : Herman Cain wins GOP Florida straw poll
The Washington Times ^ | SEPTEMBER 23, 2011 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 09/24/2011 4:25:23 PM PDT by RobinMasters

ORLANDO — Former Godfather Pizza CEO Herman Cain won the Presidency 5 straw poll here Saturday, delivering a blow to Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s frontrunner status and a victory for a candidate who has struggled to transform his grassroots popularity into strong showings in national polls.

“Tonight’s winner is Herman Cain,” Florida Gov. Rick Scott announced. “It shows you something, the road to the White House come through Florida, and it pays to spend time here.”

He received 37 percent of the more than 2,600 votes cast.

“Thank you to the Republican voters for this incredible honor of being named the winner of the Presidency 5 straw poll in Florida today,” Mr. Cain said. “This is a sign of our growing momentum and my candidacy that cannot be ignored. I will continue to share my message of ‘common-sense solutions’ across this country and look forward to spending more time in Florida, a critical state for both the nomination and the general election.”

The two national frontrunners — Mr. Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney — placed second and third. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, meanwhile, landed in fourth place; Rep. Ron Paul of Texas landed in fifth place; and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, sixth. Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann finished last. (See the poll results here.)

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; hermancain; loserperry; loserromney; nomorerinos; norinos; perrytanks; rinoperry; rinoromney; romneytanks
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To: RobinMasters

Cain stands head and shoulders above Perry and especially Romney as far as TRUST and CREDIBILITY goes.

IF YOU GIVE AMERICANS A CHOICE WE WILL VOTE! Herman Cain is the REAL deal for us. If we want to pull America in the right direction this is the way to PULL - it was all the compromise and wish washy negotiating with socialists that has brought us this mess and national peril.


151 posted on 09/24/2011 5:45:52 PM PDT by defendit (One nation under God and liberty and justice for all)
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To: prisoner6
I love GOOD fried chicken and watermelon! Southern BBQ too!

Coleslaw, chips, BBQ beans, jambalaya, dirty rice, crawdads, cheese grits, sausage gravy, chicken fried steak, Lousiana Hot Sauce, fried squirrel...

And, of course, Godfathers Pizza!

152 posted on 09/24/2011 5:46:26 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: ronnie raygun
Aside from Palin who is not even in the race, Cain is also the only Conservative teaparty candidate. How will the parasidic media and the rats deal with a Herman Cain against a zero!

I really enjoyed reading about Herman Cain winning this straw poll. It brings a couple of thoughts to mind as a Palin supporter. If Herman Cain continues to shine, Sarah may endorse him instead of running. Or should Palin enter the race and take the nomination, Herman Cain could be chosen has her VP. Palin/Cain would make a wonderful ticket. Two outsiders with solid resumes of reform and results, both admired by the tea party participants.

153 posted on 09/24/2011 5:48:01 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: eyedigress

Not quite yet, I have to have assurance he can win. Today, just because he won the straw poll in Florida doesn’t tell me that. People can get all excited over this but this doesn’t tell me much.


154 posted on 09/24/2011 5:49:10 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: RobinMasters

This is just GREAT!!! So much for their stupid “rwo man race”. Congrats Mr. Cain and super congrats, F;orida!!!!


155 posted on 09/24/2011 5:49:49 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Wanna confuse obama? Ask him his REAL name.)
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To: justsaynomore

Thank you! I have seen this before!


156 posted on 09/24/2011 5:50:39 PM PDT by Marie (Rock you like a hurriCAIN!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Top individual Tax bracket reduced from 35% TO 9%.
NO payroll tax (SS & Medicare)
NO tax on dividends.
No tax on capital gains.

Then realize you do not buy stuff with all your earnings.
Some goes for mortgage payments, car loans, and remaining foes into savings/investments, none of which requires paying sales tax.


157 posted on 09/24/2011 5:51:28 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Peace through strength has worked better than peace via appeasement in history.)
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To: federal__reserve
Andy, my federal tax bill runs right around 20%-22% every year. That is on TOP of social security payroll tax and medicare tax. If all those get eliminated per Herman’s plan, why should I not be happy paying 9% national sales tax?

I hear that, and I appreciate your sentiments. I appreciate it the same way I appreciate the way in which the original income tax applied to actual income at a rate of 1% (plus 6% at $600K+), followed by the victory tax, ad blech.

It certainly sounds delightful compared to what we have now. I sincerely believe that it is a disaster to add a sales tax on top of an existing income tax.
158 posted on 09/24/2011 5:51:43 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: Southern Magnolia

I live in SC. I really hope Mr. Cain will be back for another rally so I can be there!


159 posted on 09/24/2011 5:53:47 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: andyk
Basically your argument is akin to saying "because we might get cancer later, we should not stop abusing alcohol now."

You are more then a little confused if you think doing nothing to fix our current broken tax system is a sound idea.

Go re-read your posts.

Because fixing the system might result in corruption later, you are arguing we should not fix the current system. Because any fix will not be perfect, you are advocating that it would be better to do nothing.

Boiled down to the facts, that is what you are advocating here.

You are making the perfect the enemy of the good. That is not a sensible thing to do.

160 posted on 09/24/2011 5:54:04 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: federal__reserve

That 9% minus charitable contributions (don’t like giving to the gov, give to your church or favorite charity!)

And no tax on any used goods.


161 posted on 09/24/2011 5:54:21 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Herman Cain 2012 - http://www.arealleader.com)
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To: eyedigress
The Tax Code is abolished. 9 percent of a drug dealers take sounds better than 0 percent.

The 16th amendment remains, as does a personal income tax at 9%, which is immoral. Then it will be 11%, and then 13%, and then there will be two tiers, and then three.
162 posted on 09/24/2011 5:55:09 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: RobinMasters

Herman Cain, being awesome as usual


163 posted on 09/24/2011 5:55:48 PM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: RobinMasters
So they didn't have it in 2000 & 2008?
164 posted on 09/24/2011 5:56:46 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: andyk
Now I understand from where you are coming. You aren't objecting to Cain's plan per se; your problem with it is that you don't trust the federal government. I appreciate that, but then how do you reform the tax code without overthrowing the federal government?
165 posted on 09/24/2011 5:56:53 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: andyk
If this 999 thing is introduced contingent on the repeal of the 16th amendment then I'm on board the Cain Train. Until then, I call BS. I like Herman but I'll keep an eye on the Fed background. Very insider position for a guy playing the outsider tune. In all serialness, 999 turned upside down is the mark of manbearpig.


166 posted on 09/24/2011 6:00:05 PM PDT by SteelTrap
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To: Southern Magnolia

I live in SC. I really hope Mr. Cain will be back for another rally so I can be there!


167 posted on 09/24/2011 6:00:32 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: MNJohnnie
Basically your argument is akin to saying "because we might get cancer later, we should not stop abusing alcohol now."

It is clearly worse to have an income tax in addition to a sales tax, and I cannot believe I have to make this argument on the FR.
168 posted on 09/24/2011 6:00:48 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: Marie

A 9 percent sales tax gets everything paid for.


169 posted on 09/24/2011 6:02:34 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: tlb

[Three years ago it was a point of faith around here that the presidency isn’t an entry level position]

Hermann Cain does have executive experience!! Zero had zero executive experience.


170 posted on 09/24/2011 6:03:44 PM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: SteelTrap
Dang it - I left out the link to where I saw the pic...
171 posted on 09/24/2011 6:03:50 PM PDT by SteelTrap
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To: andyk

Do you oppose this flat-line of the tax code............


172 posted on 09/24/2011 6:03:56 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: shield

I understand. No other candidate gets a dime from me.


173 posted on 09/24/2011 6:05:13 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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BTW for all you liberal jugheads.......... “NOT ONE DIME” Hussein Obama


174 posted on 09/24/2011 6:06:49 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Repeal 16-17
You aren't objecting to Cain's plan per se; your problem with it is that you don't trust the federal government. I appreciate that, but then how do you reform the tax code without overthrowing the federal government?

Ah yes, that is essentially correct. If someone could somehow guarantee that the 9-9-9 would only move in the direction of personal liberty, then it sounds like a great plan. Sadly, it will not happen. We have 200 years of history as our guide.

I don't think it's possible to fully reform the tax code and restore a federalist system without repealing the 16th and 17th amendments.
175 posted on 09/24/2011 6:08:07 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: GraceG
They are probably in their newsrooms right now going: “How come all those racist Tea Party Republicans are voting for a black man”.

I doubt it. That would require self-examination. Far easier for them to try to undermine the significance of Cain's popularity by saying that he is "not a real black man," the same characterization they use for Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell. Similarly, Margaret Thatcher was "not a real woman."

When leftist theories are discredited by objective reality, leftists don't change their beliefs, they just try harder to ignore reality.

176 posted on 09/24/2011 6:09:20 PM PDT by TChad
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To: andyk

It’s called skin in the game. How does the Fed tax a drug dealer now........

Personally, All combined taxes should never broach 15% but the code is defunct and traps the honest. What is your plan


177 posted on 09/24/2011 6:10:25 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
Do you oppose this flat-line of the tax code............

A flat tax with zero exemptions and deductions that applies equally to all forms of income (although I think wages should be shielded more than true income is now) beats what we have now.
178 posted on 09/24/2011 6:10:35 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: andyk

In order to make 9-9-9 safe for Americans, you’d have to enact it via a Constitutional amendment which replaces the 16th Amendment—either hard-coding the 9% into the Constitution and leaving it there, or making it damn near impossible for Congress to change it—something like a 3/4 majority of both Houses AND 50% of the state legislatures’ approval as well in order to enact the increase (and, maybe, allowing them to change it only for a limited period of time, and only if they declare war).


179 posted on 09/24/2011 6:11:01 PM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com--GAME ON!!!)
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To: SteelTrap
If this 999 thing is introduced contingent on the repeal of the 16th amendment then I'm on board the Cain Train.

Sounds good, but two of the three '9's are income taxes that rely upon the 16th. Otherwise I agree with what you're saying.
180 posted on 09/24/2011 6:13:10 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: andyk

All forms of income just whacked seniors hoping we can have growth in the Nation as they feed the pigeons.


181 posted on 09/24/2011 6:15:16 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Your nuts. Today is the start of something great.


182 posted on 09/24/2011 6:16:40 PM PDT by TBall
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It is also a double-taxation on taxed income that has been invested. Get Real


183 posted on 09/24/2011 6:16:58 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress
What is your plan

Repeal the 16th. Go back to tariffs and excises. Need more? Use direct taxes the way they were intended. Taxation should pay for government services, not achieve social goals. The federal government is a behemoth that needs to be gutted.
184 posted on 09/24/2011 6:17:40 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: andyk
Sorry, I meant What is your REAL plan......
185 posted on 09/24/2011 6:20:15 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: filbert
n order to make 9-9-9 safe for Americans, you’d have to enact it via a Constitutional amendment which replaces the 16th Amendment—either hard-coding the 9% into the Constitution

That's true. I prefer to repeal the 16th and return to direct taxes as indicated by the constitution. If we can't tax enough, then the government is too big.
186 posted on 09/24/2011 6:25:59 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: RobinMasters
I'm glad to see Cain won this. He's come along way since he started his campaign.

The race needs shaking up.

187 posted on 09/24/2011 7:10:35 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Ryan: Obama "a pyromaniac in a field of straw men" / Andre Carson's racism goes unchecked)
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To: All; RobinMasters
Cain tweeted that he's raised $25K+ since the win was announced.

He was 1% behind her this week, I'd like to see him overtake Bachmann in the next Rasmussen national poll.

188 posted on 09/24/2011 7:40:40 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Ryan: Obama "a pyromaniac in a field of straw men" / Andre Carson's racism goes unchecked)
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To: eyedigress
Sorry, I meant What is your REAL plan......

I answered your question. Now, with which part do you disagree?
189 posted on 09/24/2011 7:44:41 PM PDT by andyk (Income != Wealth)
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To: newzjunkey
The race needs shaking up.

Not sure if you meant it this way, but I agree.

Mr. Obama, black man with anti-American outlook, raised by commie lib parents with no real accomplishments vs. Mr. Cain, black man CEO patriot, great business sense and inspiration to all working persons.

Would this not shake up the race?

190 posted on 09/24/2011 7:45:02 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: RobinMasters

very small snapshot of GOP voters. Might hold true this time, but maybe not. This election cycle is like no other that I have seen in my lifetime. I don’t think it means much this year.


191 posted on 09/24/2011 8:07:59 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Dream on as far as you and your Democrat buddies are concerned.


192 posted on 09/24/2011 8:09:18 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: RobinMasters
Shock the world, Herman!

My #1 and #2 picks (Santorum and Cain) got nearly 50% of the vote combined. Yes!

And what does it tell you when Santorum got nearly as many votes as Romney and Perry and is running his campaign on a shoestring? It tells you that money can't buy sincerity and clarity on the issues.
193 posted on 09/24/2011 8:16:20 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: RobinMasters

Imagine a black conservative running against a black marxist...what a face off.
But it is early yet... I would wager that neither Romney nor Perry will end up as the top two. It would not surprise me if Newt and Cain evolve..one a thinker and historian and the other a successful business man...
Then again if Sarah throws in who knows which way anything might go.


194 posted on 09/24/2011 8:24:09 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: hinckley buzzard

Iunderstand what you are saying. I do. I just hope Mr. Cain wins this nomination and the Presidency 2012. I have been for him since last year. I know it sucks but...Mr. Cain will make us proud and he certainly is head and shoulders above obama. Mr. Cain will not bow to foreign leaders nor will he apologize for the United States. We have nothing to apologize for in the first place. Mr. Cain is credible and when he speaks he speaks...he doesn’t just spew rhetoric. I am wishing thie man all good things. Hang in there....we’ll see how it all goes. Prayers up for Herman Cain and his family.


195 posted on 09/24/2011 8:42:54 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: Johnny B.

and remember as Mr. Cain himself says...he doesn’t have any political experience but he says something like look at all the experience in DC and how’s that working? The man is so nice to listen to and to hear how he injects humor. I think this s a President that the people of this country will truly love.


198 posted on 09/24/2011 8:45:44 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: Johnny B.

and remember as Mr. Cain himself says...he doesn’t have any political experience but he says something like look at all the experience in DC and how’s that working? The man is so nice to listen to and to hear how he injects humor. I think this s a President that the people of this country will truly love.


199 posted on 09/24/2011 8:45:45 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: Savage Beast

I LOVE that. The Hurricane has hit Florida so... now let’s “Hurry-Cain!!!”


200 posted on 09/24/2011 8:47:24 PM PDT by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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