Skip to comments.Herman Cain wins Florida straw poll in stunning victory; Rick Perry in deep trouble
Posted on 09/24/2011 5:24:39 PM PDT by iowamark
From the bottom of the polls to the top of the pack, businessman Herman Cain won the Republican Party of Floridas nationally watched presidential straw poll Saturday in a sign that frontrunner Rick Perry is in deep trouble.
Cains victory with 37 percent of the vote was a major defeat for Perry, the frontrunner in Florida and national polls, who garnered only 15 percent after wooing the nearly 3,000 party faithful with a free breakfast and mailers.
The vote also showed how soft Republican support is for Mitt Romney, who came in third with 14 percent. Unlike Perry, though, he avoided schmoozing the GOP voters, called delegates.
"Folks, this is what you call momentum," Cain, the former CEO of Godfathers Pizza, said in a video message from his campaign bus. "The Herman Cain train is picking up steam."
That means more national media attention, heightened standing in the race and access to more fundraisers.
The straw poll is a mock election and doesnt necessarily reflect the sentiment of the voters at large. In past years, it has predicted the partys national nominee, but that streak could be in jeopardy because even some Cain voters had doubts about whether he was ready to be the partys nominee.
Still, the vote is a major indication of how badly damaged Perry was by a poor debate performance Thursday when he fumbled answers and failed to give specifics.
Many straw poll voters were especially dissatisfied by the answers Perry gave over his moderate immigration position, the Ponzi scheme of Social Security and his plan to inoculate girls from human papillomavirus.
I came in thinking Rick Perry, said Tommy Langford,a Gilchrist County commissioner who voted for Cain. I didnt like the debate at all. I really thought Perry lost it. Mitt Romney called him on immigration. He said we have to take care of them. Not if theyre illegal, we dont.
Another big loser: Michele Bachmann, who came in last place. Once a top-tier candidate who won the Iowa straw poll, she has fallen from sight in the debates where she, too, fails to give specifics, excite delegates here or even reach out to them.
Perry issued a written statement congratulating Cain, saying the vote underscored the fact that the conservative message of job creation, fiscal responsibility and limited government is gaining momentum.
Floridians and voters nationally want a candidate who is clear on the issues and talks honestly about the future, Perry said, not someone who takes multiple sides of an issue and changes views every election season. Todays vote demonstrates that Floridians are energized and ready to help get America working again.
Pinellas County delegate Rachelle Warmouth said that, if Perry lost, it wouldnt be the end of his campaign. But when or lose, the debate performance and the effect its having on party loyalists are a call to step up his game.
Hell have to have a strong recovery, she said. He needs to focus on his message.
Warmouths friend, Eileen Blackmer, agreed: He needs to work on the three Cs: Be clear, be concise, be complete.
Lee County delegate Dane Eagle said hes for Romney. He likes the candidates message and polish on stage. And he fears that President Obama would walk all over Perry in debates.
Thats what Obama does, Eagle said. He debates.
St. Johns County delegate Randy Covington said he arrived in Orlando ready to vote for Perry, but the debate "shattered" that plan. Covington decided to support Cain after the businessman"s rousing speech on Saturday at the Conservative Political Action Conference. That event was wedged in between the partys Presidency 5 Thursday debate and Saturday straw poll.
But Convington said he wasnt sure if Cain would or should be the nominee. He said the primary shouldnt be a two-man race.
"We need this process to go on," Covington said.
Gov. Rick Scott, who announced the results from the Orange County Convention Center stage, said the candidates need to take very seriously whatever the results are.
"It shows you something. Florida is important," Scott said from the Orange County Convention Center stage. "It pays to be here."
Omc. Have you no reading comprehension whatSOever??? You just quoted Marc Caputo and Alex Leary, who write for the Miami Herald.
News Flash: I am not Marc Caputp. I am not Alex Leary.
I did not write what you just accused me of writing.
It came straight out of the Miami Herald.
Yep. He thought AZ's law was ok for AZ but not right for Texas. I guess someone needs to tell him that what he thinks is good for Texas must not be good for the rest of the country, since so many bailed on him.
A quote from Perry:
“I’ve got all my hopes on Florida.”
This result startled me.
Until now I was undecided between Perry and Palin should she run. Now I’m thinking, “Ta heck with both of ‘em, I’ve always like Cain, why not?”
If he can get folks like me who’ve dismissed him as not in the running off our lazy butts, I could have someone I really want to vote for.
Looks like the folks in Florida raised some “Cain” and right now he’s probably the best one in the ring.
That’s extremely impressive actually.
Perrys campaign had courted Presidency 5 delegates for weeks and printed up glossy fliers that were distributed throughout the convention hall in Orlando, but the Texas governor captured just 410 votes, or 15.4% of the vote.
Newt is an absurd choice for VP.
Sweet post.....I would be proud to vote for that ticket!
At first this looks good but there is something going on here I cant cheer. Perry is likely dropping in the FLA polls because of Romney’s attacks on Perry on SS. It is no accident that GWB won FLA after his Medicare handout bill.
Romney has another advantage, he is not in office. Perry and Bachmann are in office and still have to serve their state voters while Romney can now and he will, claim anything he thinks sounds good.
No one wants children to suffer because of the actions of their parents but it’s a sad fact of life it happens and not just illegals. Parents go to jail for breaking the law (unless the law you break is entering the country illegally, evidently), for making bad choices that keep them in poverty, or lose a family fortune, etc. Some lose their parents whose parents have done nothing wrong, but instead are off defending their country. They don’t get any perks except through private foundations. On the other hand, parent’s good choices will life their children up.
The sins of the father are visited on the sons, unfortunately. It really bothers me that since the state now knows where these people are they don’t send them back. There’s no reason they can’t continue to apply for citizenship. If they have jobs they excel at they should have no problem getting green cards at the behest of their employer. My husband works in the semi conductor industry and I see this happen all the time and from many different countries.
If we aren’t going to follow our laws then we might as well not have them. For those who break the laws and their families things will be harder but laws do make everyone equal. It isn’t the fault of Americans or Texans that these children’s parents chose to broke the law. The onus is on them to straighten things out and do things the right way.
My cousin married a man from Mexico. When he arrived here LEGALLY WITH A GREEN CARD he spoke no English. He worked hard, took English classes (along the way he met my cousin & they married). He took citizenship classes and is now a citizen. He doesn’t have his family come live with them illegally, though his parents would love to be here with their 3 grandchildren. My cousin & husband just aren’t in a position right now to sponsor them. So they’re waiting until they can. Imagine what a slap in the face it is to people who did things the right way. That’s why you see people like Michelle Malkin (whose parents also came the right way) the most vocal opponents to these kinds of things.
Anything can be “justified” but should it?
....but, then neither does OBlahBlah....
he's still the MOST Incompetence Person to
walk into any Structure / Room
Cain has shown some real life "experiences"
Experienced Advisory staff, can handle much
of the rest....Rem: TR / Reagan.
Not quite. You don't have to be a Texas HS grad. You can have a GED in Texas. No age requirement. And you don'tg have to apply for US citizenship, just do so when you are eligible to do so. Here is an excerpt from the Texas Dream Act
SECTION 2. Section 54.052, Education Code, is amended by adding Subsection (j) to read as follows:M.
(j) Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, an individual shall be classified as a Texas resident until the individual establishes a residence outside this state if the individual resided with the individual's parent, guardian, or conservator while attending a public or private high school in this state and:
(1) graduated from a public or private high school or received the equivalent of a high school diploma in this state;
(2) resided in this state for at least three years as of the date the person graduated from high school or received the equivalent of a high school diploma;
(3) registers as an entering student in an institution of higher education not earlier than the 2001 fall semester; and
(4) provides to the institution an affidavit stating that the individual will file an application to become a permanent resident at the earliest opportunity the individual is eligible to do so.
Under these criteria, you could be a 25 year old illegal who entered this country at age 22, resided in Texas for three years, got a GED, and applied for in-state tuition at a Texas state college. And how is the requirement to file an application to be a permaenent resident enforced? Who decides when an individual is eligible to do so? Normally, such applications for LPR are filed in the country of origin. You don't enter the US illegally and then file for permanent residency. Illegal entry disqualifies you. And finally, it is illegal for an illegal alien to work in the US and it is illegal for an employer to hire them.
The have a heart was lame, but has some relivance because the students in question did not come here on their own, so why should they be made to suffer because their parents did wrong. See the point?
So what should we do for those poor children who don't want to go to college. Should we provide them with free vocational training? Giving illegal youth de facto legal status is deeply unfair to those immigrant parents and their children who obeyed the law. And once you start handing out amnesties, you inevitably create more incentives for illegal entry. Moreover, allowing illegal students full access to Texass university system while making them pay out-of-state tuition like every other non-legal resident of Texas such as citizens from Arkansas or Oklahoma hardly constitutes a denial of education, as Perry implies
I can’t believe Romney let it slip that he a a global warmimg believer. If I wanted to fool GOP primary voters, I would have kept my mouth shut. Fortunately for him, no debate questions about that yet directed at him, and the Media does not seem to want to hurt him until he wins the nomination.
He is playing the McCain strategy and most conservatives told me McCain couldnt get the nomination back then too. That is what worries me,
double posts are troublesome, eh? *grinning*....
I agree with you totally, flat fair tax (13%) & size of
government share of GDP @ less than (<) 15%.
'The steps of a righteous man are ordered by the Lord.' Ps 37:23
Garofalo also believes that sort of party apparatus is behind Cains presidential run.
But Herman Cain, I feel like, is being paid by somebody to be involved and to run for president so that you go, Oh, they cant be racist. Its a black guy. Its a black guy asking for Obama to be impeached or Its a black guy who is anti-Muslim, or Its a black guy who is a tea party guy, she continued. I feel like, well wouldnt that suit the purposes of whomever astroturfs these things, whether it be the Koch Brothers or ALEC or Grover Norquist or anything. It could even be Karl Rove. Lets get Herman Cain involved so it deflects the obvious racism of our Republican Party.
So, the dems are scared and starting to attack Cain now.
Born on December 13, 1945 to Lenora Cain and Luther Cain Jr. in Memphis Tn.
B.A. Mathematics-Morehouse College 1967
M.S. Computer Science-Purdue University 1971
Honorary Degrees- Creighton, Johnson & Wales, Morehouse College, Nebraska, New York City Technical College, Purdue, Suffolk University, and Tougaloo College
Mathematician in Ballistics-U.S. navy
Business Analyst- The Coca-Cola Company
Vice President- Pillsbury
Regional VP- Burger King
President & CEO- Godfathers Pizza
Owner- Godfathers Pizza
CEO- National Restaurant Association
Board of Directors- Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
Board of Directors- Aquila Inc.
Board of Directors- Nabisco
Board of Directors- Whirlpool
Board of Directors- Readers Digest
Board of Directors- AGCO Inc.
Radio Host- The Herman Cain Show
Author- CEO of Self
Author- Leadership is Common Sense
Author- Speak as a Leader
Author- They Think Youre Stupid
Unlike obama, he's one of us, old school, and you know it as soon as he starts talking.
I knew a little about him, but I hadn't read his entire resume before now. Forget comparing obama to Perry or Romney, compare obama to Cain!
I used to listen to him on an Atlanta AM station and heard enough from him to believe the Republic would be in good hands. Can't say that about obama! Yeah, they should be scared.
I screwed that up... should have been "HUGH and SERIES" ;-)
OK how about business without silver spoon in mouth.
It’s a straw poll. Essentially, it doesn’t mean much this early in the game.
Did Cain say anything in the debates about SS when Romney was taking the liberal position?
yes Perry gets points for calling SS a ponzi scheme but words without a plan are just words.
Herman CAIN would make a wonderful president and he happens to be Black. Yes we CAIN! Forget the loses from last time - no Romney, no Palin. CAIN is an intelligent, well-educated, patriotic leader who knows the score.
Now, Cain is someone I can vote FOR (not just against Zer0)
I’m with ya on that.
I agree. Herman Cain IS inspiring! He’s a non-politician, for one thing. He has a positive message and no one can doubt his love for this country. I like him very much. I am inspired by his bio...he certainly has my and DH’s support!
love yer tagline
“this shows us why we should not let non republicans vote in our primaries .”
In my State I cannot vote in the Republican primaries since I am a registered Libertarian.
However, Cain is on the top of my list and I wish that I could vote for him.
Your comment got me to thinking about BO and MO...do we ever see pictures of them looking happy? Rarely, if ever. He's always got that wide, stupid-looking phony smile on his face in some of his photos, but I've rarely seen any of them together looking happy.
The same can be said of the Clintons. Sure, Hillary knew of Bill's philandering going back to his days at Oxford so you can't or shouldn't expect any closeness between them. And she certainly knew about it when, in a defense of him during the Gennifer Flowers scandal, said that the Flowers scandal was nothing more than a "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy".
Contrast all this to George and Laura Bush -- or George H.W. Bush and his wife Barbara. There's something strangely fake about these liberal/democrat couples.
I agree. Look at what “political” experience has gotten us in Washington. I’m sick and damn tired of the career “politicians” literally destroying this country. I’m all for a non-politician being at the helm for once, and can especially get behind someone like Herman Cain. He’s a proven leader, he’s honest, forthright, positive, and especially, a man who loves America and appreciates the goodness of this country. I too believe that he will surround himself with competent people of integrity, which is what we need so very badly right now. Just a small fraction of my 2-cents worth.
The American people do not want Obama lite, no more rinos or leftists.
Here! Here! I sure as hell am!
were trying to get back to red.
I just don’t believe that America as a whole, and conservatives in particular, are going to elect Romney. I believe his time to ascend to the top is gone. Plus, he’s such a slickster, and in my mind, comes across as such a phony. Talk about being “groomed.” This guy’s been “grooming” for the presidency since he was a kid, for crying aloud! Romney? No thanks! Will be glad when he finally exists stage left for good!
See my post #336! Look at what so-called "political" experience has gotten us in Washington! So called experienced politicians are taking the country down to utter ruin!
We’re pleased Cain is gaining momentum. He’s a force.
Lets cut to the chase here, there are a large majority of illegals who are here and dont give a damn about the United States, they dont wish to share out culture, our history and they could care less about anything American.
They are here because their own country is corrupt to the point that the people there have few freedoms and little or no chance to better themselves especially economically.
No all, but good majority Mexican National come here to in a sense create a country within a country the United States of Mexico one where they can live and thrive in the same history, culture and language of their homeland and yet not under the same corrupted government.
If there was a another country that border them that was just as successful as the United States where they could live and thrive in their own enclaves they would move there just as quick as they move here.
Yes not all are like that, but a good potion are and we can not have people coming into this country who are of a mindset that they merely wish to create colonies of their home country within ours. Politicians like Perry, Bush and many other are allowing this colonization to the determent of our country.
History is full of the results where such behavior was allowed and eventually push came to shove and the results were ugly.
I will not support someone who actively aids in the balkanization of America.
This man continues to impress me, so I just made my third contribution to his election campaign. All small, but adding up. I encourage others to do the same when and if you can afford to.
If it feels good, do it!
I like it too - Or how about Cain is Able?
We like Cain (this family) - his leadership experience as a suffessful CEO should qualify him, why not? (rhetorical question for possible future media negative talking points) Obama had virtually no political experience or leadership experience and he managed to get elected.
Cain could pick a VP with lots of political experience to balance it out.
My 13 year old daughter said gleefully - if Cain gets the nomination and my friends say they don’t like him I can say “Why not? Are you racist?” She relished the thought.
It’s too early for me to firmly settle on a candidate though - these are just preliminary musings
sorry successful - I did proofread but it slipped by
“But to a dim, only a commie will do, no matter if theyre black, white or red all over.”
Took all my math at RPI. Can't blame OK State for that one.
But...everybody IS deserving of protection from ILLEGALS, DRUG GANGS, MURDERERS, THIEVES, AND TERRORISTS COMING ACROSS OUR BORDERS TRYING TO KILL US!
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