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Mayor Paulissenís million-dollar vote saves tree
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Posted on 09/28/2011 4:51:35 PM PDT by Todd Kinsey

League City, TX - Just weeks after taking steps to reduce the city’s budget, city council shocked many observers when it decided to spend at least $500,000 and, more likely, well over a million dollars to save an oak tree.

The city had three options to deal with the Compton Oak Tree: the first option was to reroute the Louisiana Avenue road expansion around the tree. This option is likely to cost the city in excess of one-million dollars after the purchases additional land and engineering fees.

The second option was to relocate the tree less than half a mile to the location of the city’s planned Water Smart Park which was going to cost the city about $300,000 but came with no guarantees the mature oak would survive the move.

The final option was to cut down the tree which would have cost the city about $30,000. According to Mayor Paulissen, “there was never any serious consideration on cutting the tree down.”

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: galvestoncounty; leaguecity; mayorpaulissen; texas
Is it really worth a million dollars in taxpayer money to save one tree? I say no.
1 posted on 09/28/2011 4:51:43 PM PDT by Todd Kinsey
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To: Todd Kinsey

They could have planted a replacement, in an ideal location, for far cheaper.

And that’s what they should have done.


2 posted on 09/28/2011 4:57:54 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Todd Kinsey

Considering Houston is losing millions of $$$ worth of trees due to the drought. this seems a little excessive.
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League City was settled at the former site of a Karankawa Indian village. Three families, the Butlers, Cowarts, and Perkinses, are considered to be founding families of the city. The Cowart family settled on a creek now called Cowart’s Creek after them (now often called “Coward’s Creek”). The Perkins family built on a creek notably lined with magnolia trees, and named it Magnolia Bayou. The Butler family settled inland.

The first resident of the town proper, George W. Butler, arrived from Louisiana in 1873 and settled at the junction of Clear Creek and Chigger Bayou. The area was known as Butler’s Ranch or Clear Creek until J. C. League acquired the land from a man named Muldoon on his entering the priesthood. League laid out his town site on Galveston, Houston, and Henderson Railroad, already established in the area. This began a small feud over the name, as Butler was the postmaster. The name was changed several times, alternating between Clear Creek and the new League City. In the end, League City was chosen.

In 1907, League had two railroad flatcars of live oak trees left by the railroad tracks. These were for the residents to plant on their property. Butler and his son Milby supervised the planting of these trees, now known as the Butler Oaks. Many of them line Main Street to this day.


3 posted on 09/28/2011 5:03:28 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Todd Kinsey

WHAT’S THAT YOU SAY?
$30,000 to cut down a tree?

It is so easy to spend other people’s money.

What would any of them have done if this tree was at their house
and was in danger of falling on their house?

Spend $500,000 to move the house?

Spend $300,000 to move the tree?

Or just cut the damn thing down?
(I’ll do it for a mere $29, 000)


4 posted on 09/28/2011 5:06:48 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Todd Kinsey

Video of “Big Al” oak tree in New Iberia, LA, being moved by La. Dotd. Costs $300,000. I’m waiting for a hurricane to take care of that investment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XMze3uKlpk


5 posted on 09/28/2011 5:07:44 PM PDT by cajuncow
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To: Todd Kinsey

“Is it really worth a million dollars in taxpayer money to save one tree? I say no.”

I live in a city with “heritage oaks.” The city would MUCH rather you go out of business than you cut down a tree. Also, if the Greens thought you were cutting down a tree you’d be picket and the news would cover it and interview the picketers.
I watched a company build a building on a lot where there were two such trees. The builders did incredible things to keep the trees safe; until the building was finished. It was obvious from the tiny lot and the design that the trees would make using the building impossible. But, the building was finished and there was no access to the parking lot once the required curbs, drainage and sidewalks were in.
I drove by Friday afternoon and the trees were there. On Monday morning they were gone; not a trace! Somehow the builders had kept the tree-huggers happy and satisfied until the building was done and then over the weekend; they cut them down and took away every scrap. I have no idea what fines they paid, but the fines would surely be less than the multi-million dollar building sitting empty and unusable.

My suggested solution; spray the tree with tree-kill around 1am. A million is too much. Ten-thousand is too much. A thousand is too much. You can plant another tree.


6 posted on 09/28/2011 5:09:54 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Todd Kinsey

These figures are higher than those reported in the Galveston Daily News. To move the tree or to re-route Louisiana were estimated at about $250,000 - $270,000 (IIRC). Still costly, to be sure. Nevertheless, after Galveston’s loss of so many gorgeous oaks as a result of Ike, I can’t bear to lose another majestic tree.

I’m all for their planting a bunch of new trees if they want. And I’ll be happy for the generations around at that time to enjoy them. But I won’t be one of them, so I’m not willing to give up this tree.

I think they could find a creative way to raise the funds to re-route Louisiana (my preference). SAVE THE TREE!


7 posted on 09/28/2011 5:16:36 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: ru4liberty

If people are of similar mind, then why don’t they hold a fund raiser for the cost instead of burdening tax payers for it? There is nothing wrong with your position, but the tax payers shouldn’t have to pay for things like this.


8 posted on 09/28/2011 5:28:02 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

“If people are of similar mind, then why don’t they hold a fund raiser for the cost instead of burdening tax payers for it? There is nothing wrong with your position, but the tax payers shouldn’t have to pay for things like this.”

You’re pretty smart!

Are you a conservative? :)


9 posted on 09/28/2011 5:40:01 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Todd Kinsey

A few years back, I and some friends were cutting down a huge oak in my front yard when some local ditz came by and started yelling at us for doing it, I hollered out to her to go to hell and mind her own business.

I also told her that the tree was deader than her brain and was a threat to my house.


10 posted on 09/28/2011 6:05:24 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: HarleyD

I agree, which is why I said they should come up with creative ways to raise funds. Find ways for the surrounding communities to participate in it as well. I don’t live in Galveston or League City, but I visit those communities a lot and have a selfish interest in their aesthics. I would be willing to contribute or participate in a raffle or whatever kind of fund-raiser they decided upon.

I’m not a tree-hugger (greenie). I just like trees. They’re pretty. They provide shade. Mockingbirds perch in them and do their amazing singing. They’re brown and green which are my favorite colors. I like the sound when a breeze rustles the leaves. There are so many reasons to like them. You don’t have to be an environmental wacko to appreciate trees.


11 posted on 09/28/2011 6:13:36 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: ru4liberty

People are born and have a life and then they die.
Trees sprout and grow and then they die.
I really just don’t get all of this sentimentalism over a single tree.
The woods is slap full of ‘em.


12 posted on 09/28/2011 6:22:35 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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To: Todd Kinsey

Option 4: Don’t expand the road at all.


13 posted on 09/28/2011 6:26:03 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (It's fun to play with your vision, but don't ever play with your eyes.-1970's PSA)
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To: Todd Kinsey
Any pictures of the offending tree? Is it considered a big tree or and average sized Oak?

Of course in Texas, most everything is considered the biggest and best, regardless of the facts.

Anyway, anyplace between Houston and Galveston, where League City is found, is pretty much a fever-filled, mosquito infested swamp.

14 posted on 09/28/2011 6:34:53 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Todd Kinsey

A million dollars to save one tree.

Millions of dollars to create a handful of green jobs.

Billions of dollars to kill unborn babies.

Trillions of dollars to maintain the status quo and keep the taxpayer-funded gravy train running.

Nothing wrong with this picture, eh?

Sorry folks. Nothing to see here. Everything is fine. Move along and go back to what you were doing. Or we’ll send cops from the Fullerton P.D. to your house and beat you into a bloody pulp.


15 posted on 09/28/2011 7:05:25 PM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Gen.Blather

Does anyone recall the young men who poisoned the tree at the Alamo? I always wondered how they turned out.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 8:42:38 PM PDT by healy61
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To: Todd Kinsey
Depends on the tree, obviously. This issue arises every so often in municipalities around the country. Sometimes the tree has historic significance. Sometimes just sentimental value. Either way, it forces latter day scumbags to confront their inability to value something in terms other than dollars and cents. Sometimes the people win. Sometimes the scumbags win. The fight for civilization goes on.
17 posted on 09/28/2011 9:15:38 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

In my smallish town there is a road that runs along a small local college campus. Both sides of this 2 lane road were lined with large oaks that were starting to deteriorate. The city wanted to cut down the oaks and widen the road to accommodate increasing traffic.

A year of (mainly non-resident) student protests resulted in the oaks on the campus being saved. The city changed the expansion plans, cut down the trees on the other side of the road and replanted after expansion on the side away from the remaining trees was complete.

The new oaks are healthy, rapidly growing and attractive. The old oaks on the college campus continue to deteriorate and are about 1/3 dead. The student protestors are long gone, the scaled back expansion is still not able to handle the traffic, and the city residents are stuck with a half-completed half vigorous/half dying landscape.

Emotional attachment to a tree? Plant some and encourage the community to redirect their emotions to the new trees. Make a ceremony celebrating the start of new opportunities.

I hardly consider myself a scumbag, but trees are a renewable resource.


18 posted on 09/29/2011 4:39:06 AM PDT by rusty millet
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To: hinckley buzzard

It’s a 64 year old tree with no historical significance. It is a genetic wonder as it is a hybrid of two oak varieties. Supposedly this is the only known natural mutation of this kind but we have 1000’s of oaks in our community and I just can’t see spending a million dollars on it.


19 posted on 09/30/2011 7:39:07 AM PDT by Todd Kinsey (Todd)
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

Awesome Ernie. Is it any wonder we’re about to slide into the annals of history.


20 posted on 09/30/2011 7:41:01 AM PDT by Todd Kinsey (Todd)
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To: Todd Kinsey

Nope.

From my perspective we have already slid off the pavement. The US is a broken nation that is riddled with graft and corruption at the highest levels. The elites and their minions are simply siphoning the little wealth we have remaining before they pull the plug. We are going to end up just like Europe after Rome fell to the barbarians. Another dark age is just around the corner.

This is the type of sh!t that keeps me up at night. I don’t give a sh!t about the rainforest, global warming, or the damn whales & fur seals. The only thing I give a sh!t about is how we are going to survive when the house of cards collapses. The rainforest and whales will do fine, but we won’t.

Learn to prepare. Don’t be ashamed to be labeled as a prepper.

Ernie


21 posted on 09/30/2011 9:10:00 AM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

It blows my mind that our enemies can intellectually put a whale or a lizard upon a pedestal yet has no trouble killing a baby.

The socialist is obviously mentally deranged. Van Jones has promised violence this month and I believe that Wall St. is just the beginning. Our saving grace is that we have more guns, most vets are conservatives, and we have combat training. I elaborate a bit here: http://toddkinsey.com/blog/2011/10/01/michael-moore-says-jesus-was-gay/


22 posted on 10/01/2011 10:33:23 AM PDT by Todd Kinsey (Todd)
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To: Gen.Blather
I have no idea what fines they paid, but the fines would surely be less ...

I lived in WV. I wanted to build a pond on the side of a mountain. The application fees and time for processing would have meant at least six months, and around $15k (if permit was approved, which was iffy!).

I rented some equipment and built it. It cost me a $5k fine... and reaped a great deal of enjoyment. You should hear the bullfrogs sing, and the neighborhood kids loved the fishing ($2500 to stock it!).

I never got around to building the house, though. I ended up with a divorce, instead! I now live at the AFRH in Gulfport, MS, right across from the Mississippi sound (and the Gulf of Mexico). Had some #10-12 shrimp on the grill last night!!! $3 a pound, heads on!!!!!!!

(Reference: Google Earth "39.431188,-78.17796")

23 posted on 10/01/2011 10:58:38 AM PDT by WVKayaker (The GOP needs to live the planks of its platform, not just offer lip service. -Sarah Palin 8/2008)
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To: Todd Kinsey
I'm betting the real fraud is the so called “Engineering fees”
24 posted on 10/01/2011 12:41:21 PM PDT by Mark was here (It's either Obama or America. There cannot be both.)
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To: Todd Kinsey

I like the last sentenced best:

“I’ve already fought one war against a foreign enemy and I am more than prepared to fight one against a domestic enemy.”

Obama and Van Jones constantly encourage their minions to committ violence against those of us who disagree with them. And then when somebody like Jared Loughner (a Democrat) goes off the rails they blame us for it. It drives me batsh!t crazy.

Not to worry though because if their minions come to my neighborhood looking for mischeif, my .357 will cut through them like a hot knife through butter.


25 posted on 10/01/2011 9:36:00 PM PDT by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: Ernie Kaputnik

Thanks Ernie. It’s sad but the more I talk to people the more I think that we will have to fight another Civil/Revolutionary War. I think that the left is trying to incite that very thing now.

My wife and I are locked and loaded...


26 posted on 10/05/2011 1:34:52 PM PDT by Todd Kinsey (Todd)
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