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Florida's January primary is a gamble [Jan. 31, 2012]
St Petersburg Times ^ | 9/30/2011 | Adam C. Smith and Mary Ellen Klas

Posted on 09/30/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by pgyanke

TALLAHASSEE — State leaders on Friday set Florida's 2012 presidential primary for Jan. 31, bucking national party rules and ensuring that several other states will leapfrog Florida and set earlier elections.

The move was intended to ensure that America's biggest battleground state has a major voice in picking the Republican nomination, much as it did in 2008 when Florida's late January primary effectively clinched the nomination for John McCain.

"It is more important for states such as Florida not to be on the back end, but to be on the front end of these primaries," said former state Sen. Al Lawson of Tallahassee, a member of the primary committee who initially called for Florida to set its primary for Jan. 3.

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To: shield

Thank you FRiend!


51 posted on 09/30/2011 1:48:22 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (If not Perry, it's Romney. And if it's Romney, it's Obama.)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


52 posted on 09/30/2011 2:28:55 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: mcjordansc

The splash in NH is completely a joke. They have an open primary, many of the voters like my relatives vote in the republican primary just to cause trouble.


53 posted on 09/30/2011 2:57:45 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Again, not a GOP issue, but an issue that these States require.


Kinda along the lines of ‘states rights’.....


54 posted on 09/30/2011 3:00:59 PM PDT by deport
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To: Reagan Man
"A break with tradition?"

"Upsetting the apple cart?"

Sounds "going rogue" to me.

55 posted on 09/30/2011 3:20:32 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: All

All I know is that my vote in Minnesota is irrelevant - always has been. By the time I vote, it is all decided in everything but form. That is why it is hard for me to get excited about voting - I never have a meaningful choice, especially when it comes to wanting to vote for a candidate that is low in the polls early on and has to drop out due to lack of funds. I never get to vote for that individual, and if New Hampshire and Iowa don’t like him, they basically kick him or her out before I have a chance.

I think there should be a primary day. I think people would be surprised at the number of people in the rest of the country that would vote for those low polling candidates. It would also energize them by showing that their vote really does matter.

Until then, it is like watching another country choose my president.


56 posted on 09/30/2011 3:28:49 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Not true... The RNC discriminates in favor of New Hampshire and Iowa (and a couple other states) in requiring that they go first. Florida Republicans are technically violating the RNC’s rules, and will lose 50% of their delegates because of it. On the flip side, they gain more clout and attention during the primaries because they decide earlier.


57 posted on 09/30/2011 5:02:33 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Lou Budvis

“Good. No reason for FL to take a back seat to IA and NH. States with substantial populations and diverse economies and demographics deserve their say.”

Don’t get me wrong i agree its Florida’s say but her population size and economic diversity have nothing to do with Florida’s right to stage their primary anytime they want.

If you ask me States should be encouraged to abandon first past the post in their primary elections and go to an instant runoff primary system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting

Basically that gives everyone a 1st, 2nd, 3rd and possibly 4th choice, as a means of institutionalizing compromise in the primary, and encouraging broad appeal.


58 posted on 09/30/2011 5:20:02 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: LachlanMinnesota

That’s a good reasons to just hold all the primary’s on the same day.

The Republican party could do that by refusing to count any vote that is not cast on that day.


59 posted on 09/30/2011 6:08:44 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: pgyanke

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Jebbie got in before the FL primary is held?


60 posted on 09/30/2011 6:14:59 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: StAnDeliver

YES! Me too! We just this week became official residents of Florida and I am VERY excited to actually have my vote count for once in my life!


61 posted on 09/30/2011 6:55:16 PM PDT by battletank
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To: dfwgator

“I agree, once again, the Stupid Party lives up to its’ name.” <<<<

This is simply conducive to the divisive atmosphere, to a political war between the states and absurdly early for Americans. Shameless timing for Christians, and just like early voting it’s a little dangerous. What IS the upside to already overwrought voters. Just too much.


62 posted on 09/30/2011 8:07:25 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: battletank

meh... never move to Oregon. Bu tthen again.. MOVE TO OREGON! We NEED conservatives DESPERATELY to re-take this state from the socialist/liberal tools that infest it!!!

ugh... its harder than you can imagine to be represented by the likes of David Wu... /cry/tiger suit.../wrists


63 posted on 09/30/2011 8:08:55 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: mmichaels1970

Yes, each party can establish rules regarding the delegates. IIRC, in 2008 the GOP cut the delegates from FL into half, while the Dim didn’t recognize any of them, which I think is quite unfair. Hillary won FL, but her delegates didn’t count.


64 posted on 09/30/2011 9:08:54 PM PDT by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car; he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: Lou Budvis
States with substantial populations and diverse economies and demographics deserve their say.

And last time around FL primary turned out exactly like NH, except NH had Huckabee third and FL had Giuliani third.

If population is everything, we should just get rid of the electoral college. Allowing candidates who may have good ideas but need to show they can play in smaller states to match their smaller funding is precisely what a primary should be about.

The big-money candidates can compete at the bigger stages earlier, wiping out the smaller ones who could build momentum. Why don't we just toss aside this whole system and simply let the ones with the most money win after a certain cut-off date?

65 posted on 09/30/2011 9:32:11 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: pgyanke
Good, maybe we're less likely to nominate a RINO if the South gets a say early on.

No more "compassionate conservatism" if you don't mind although a random pick from the phone book could do a better job than the pathetic Marxist noob that occupies the WH right now.

66 posted on 09/30/2011 9:55:55 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King

Florida isn’t really “the South.” That ends at the Georgia-Florida border.


67 posted on 09/30/2011 10:02:46 PM PDT by Terpfen (Any candidate is better than Obams. Any.)
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To: Lou Budvis; campaignPete R-CT; beandog; Virginia Ridgerunner

Palin needs to declare and get into those early races now!
Not 30 days from now.


68 posted on 09/30/2011 10:12:33 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: Aroostook25
Palin needs to declare and get into those early races now!

I wouldn't worry. Sarah will factor in this new change on the battlefield, and adjust accordingly. Just my guess, but I think this will hasten her entry.

69 posted on 09/30/2011 10:19:29 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Aroostook25

and I hope that Aroostook does not vote for Ron Paul this time at the caucuses. Romney organized the state thoroughly in ‘08.


70 posted on 09/30/2011 10:24:39 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Palin '12 begins in '11. In western New Hampshire pour moi.)
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To: Terpfen

Thanks to the “snowbirds”?


71 posted on 09/30/2011 10:44:24 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: GOPsterinMA

> If my “Gays for Perry 2012” shirt is done in time, I’m planning on wearing that, a big styrofoam cowboy hat and a pair of chaps to the debate in NH next month. <<<<

THAT is hilarious! Seriously, we are in need of some grins once in awhile, and you have stepped up par excellance! What a vision. Grins all around.


72 posted on 09/30/2011 11:26:25 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: mcjordansc
two lib states.

NH is a huge mess. its an open primary which allows Dems to vote in GOP primaries and screw up our candidates.

73 posted on 10/01/2011 12:32:22 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: Darkwolf377

fl is NOT an open primary where DEMS decide our options early >

NH needs to stop its open primary or get out of the way. leftist formerly from Mass gave us McCain and hope to ram thru Romney .


74 posted on 10/01/2011 12:40:52 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: ncalburt
leftist formerly from Mass gave us McCain and hope to ram thru Romney

I'm from MA, and have been reading that excuse forever, and that dog won't hunt. Every state in the union has folks from somewhere else, but NH is the only one I know that blames its liberal problems on one specific state. Where is this evidence that liberals fleeing MA have somehow taken over NH? The liberals in MA don't flee, that's the problem, they stay right here.

Just man up and take responsibility for your state's politics, already.

75 posted on 10/01/2011 12:43:45 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: ncalburt
Slightly more than 78,000 people moved to New Hampshire from Boston between 2001 and 2006, resulting in a 2006 population in the Granite State of 1,315,000. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/03/20/altered_state/ Sorry, 78k people added over five years to a population of 1.3 million doesn't turn a state from red to blue. When you factor in children, political parties, voting rates of that 78k--sorry, no sale.
76 posted on 10/01/2011 12:53:16 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (undecided)
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To: Theodore R.

Jeb Bush? Please, no more Bushes. They have done enough destruction.


77 posted on 10/01/2011 3:19:25 AM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: StAnDeliver

We do not want “winner take all”primaries in any state. Why did McCain get all the delegates when he never got 51% of the vote? I hope we don’t allow this rigging to elect liberals to continue.


78 posted on 10/01/2011 6:20:19 AM PDT by PETENICK1
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To: No Socialist

Ding, ding, ding ! To gain influence FL should have gone later rather than earlier. Back in the day when their were competitive nominating processes, CA was always the big kahuna as it deserved to be. The only thing FL’s move ensures no is a shorter primary campaign to duke it out and a longer general cycle for the librtards to take apart our candidate.


79 posted on 10/01/2011 6:31:13 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: tcrlaf

“This is the exact same mistake we made in 2008. Why are we doing it again?”

Perhaps to give us another leftist “Republican” loser like Ace McCain?


80 posted on 10/01/2011 7:06:20 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Darkwolf377
Hello its an OPEN PRIMARY.

The Dems leftist actual advertise on the internet and on NH college campus to HELP STOP THE EVIL GOP by registering or dropping your Dem party afflication become a independent and then vote in the GOP primary !

Its a reality !The Dems will not have a real NH primary. How the hell does Huntsman Obama trojan get 10 % of the vote in NH unless the lefties watching MSDNC are voting in our NH primary!

81 posted on 10/01/2011 7:28:07 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: RitaOK
Thank you very much! :)

A little levity is always needed, especially in these times.

82 posted on 10/01/2011 7:28:55 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (If not Perry, it's Romney. And if it's Romney, it's Obama.)
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To: Lou Budvis

Well, they’ll still take a back seat...I’ve been told laws are on the books in IA and NH to have their primary before other states...so those 2 will move ahead of Florida.


83 posted on 10/01/2011 7:31:20 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: alstewartfan
This whole early primary thing is insane. The front-loading almost assures that an establishment waste will win, like Romney. He sucks, and I guarantee you that this jamming of sewage down our throats will engender a substantial third party effort. Bob

Absolutely...But the upside is that it gives a great deal more time for the 3rd Party candidate to get out the message...Gives us months instead of weeks to campain for the 3rd Party Candidate...

84 posted on 10/01/2011 7:43:32 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: shield

“It’s almost like Cain is in cahoots with Romney against Perry.”

You can bet the farm he is. Thank you for the reminder that Cain endorsed Romney in 2008.

That need to be repeated: Cain endorsed Romney in 2008.


85 posted on 10/01/2011 8:21:35 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (If not Perry, it's Romney. And if it's Romney, it's Obama.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

What did you think of Perry’s townhall meeting in New Hampshire? That’s the Rick Perry we know it Texas...not the bs debates.


86 posted on 10/01/2011 8:47:53 AM PDT by shield ((Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

It was passionate. Good stuff!


87 posted on 10/01/2011 8:53:14 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (If not Perry, it's Romney. And if it's Romney, it's Obama.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

The fact that Cain endorsed Romney in 2008 doesn’t bother me so much considering the alternative, what bothers me is Cain saying the other day he wouldn’t vote for Perry even if he were the nominee, but he could vote for Romney.

THAT, is a deal killer with me.

In what alternative universe is Romney somehow a better choice than Perry? and worse yet how could he vote for Obama over Perry? That one statement makes Cain pretty much a nonstarter for me. We don’t need another Colin Powel who turns on us at the last moment and supports Obama, we’ve already been down that road.


88 posted on 10/01/2011 12:08:23 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: tcrlaf

True, this disadvantages underfunded candidates, but it also disadvantages RINOs who tend to do well in the Northeast and Iowa.


89 posted on 10/01/2011 3:45:26 PM PDT by NavVet ("You Lie!")
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To: Reagan is King

And the large Spanish-speaking population, plus some Caribbean imports.

There are some elements of “the South” in the Panhandle, and Jacksonville is a relatively conservative area, but once you hit Orlando you’re in a whole ‘nother world.


90 posted on 10/01/2011 7:17:27 PM PDT by Terpfen (Any candidate is better than Obama. Any.)
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91 posted on 10/01/2011 8:14:40 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Beagle8U; mmichaels1970

Like your ideas. The only thing I would add is that those states with open primaries go to the back of the line regardless of how they voted for POTUS.


92 posted on 10/01/2011 10:19:06 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ncalburt
"The Dems leftist actual advertise on the internet and on NH college campus to HELP STOP THE EVIL GOP by registering or dropping your Dem party afflication become a independent and then vote in the GOP primary !"

If the Dems are making strategic voting decisions then why aren't they all voting for the most conservative candidate? If they want to have (in their eyes) the least electable Republican going up against their candidate then why vote en masse for a moderate?

I live in California. There is no chance at all of the Republican candidate winning here. Even if Obama is shown on TV engaging in satanic orgies involving human sacrifices he will still get the majority of votes here.

That is why I strongly suggest that in the November election that ALL California Republicans vote for the Green Party candidate. If All Republicans that live in hopeless states like CA, MA, WA, RI, etc. vote for the Green Party then they will get over 5% of the vote and become a recognized party. They can start to be a pain in the Dems side.

That is what is meant by strategic voting.

If there are Dems in NH registering to vote as Republicans, and then going ahead and voting for the RINO, it is because they probably really like that particular candidate and want to see him win. It's very difficult to get a significant number of people to vote strategically. There is still a bit of religious awe associated with the voting process. People aren't quite cynical enough to use their vote as a tool.

93 posted on 10/01/2011 10:26:52 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Danae
"MOVE TO OREGON! We NEED conservatives DESPERATELY"

You might be able to get some libertarians to move there if you talk up the hot lesbians in Oregon...


94 posted on 10/01/2011 10:30:20 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Oh yeah.. that will help..... /sarc lol


95 posted on 10/01/2011 10:36:13 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Lou Budvis

Might as well hold all the primary’s at the same time. Florida already gets perhaps one of the most significant says of any state. Its the small States like Idaho & Alaska that get ignored.

Indeed When Sarah Palin ran for vice president in 2008 that was probably the most attention Alaska ever got in a presidential election.

I ain’t questioning Florida’s right to decide how to cast her own electors. Florida has compete authority in this area. But but i also respect the right of the republican party being a private organization to set rules for its nominating convention.

Even as I reject the fairness of them rules which favor some States over others. Iowa may by law require that they go first but that doesn’t mean any other state can’t try to push them so early as to preclude them form relevancy.

To be honest there is something to be said for going later in the game. For example originally States clamored to cast their electors last in order to decide the victor.


96 posted on 10/02/2011 4:06:21 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“THAT, is a deal killer with me.”

Great point, totally agree.


97 posted on 10/02/2011 8:12:50 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (If not Perry, it's Romney. And if it's Romney, it's Obama.)
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To: Lou Budvis

“Good. No reason for FL to take a back seat to IA and NH. States with substantial populations and diverse economies and demographics deserve their say.”

Exactly. This should have been done ages ago.

Don’t forget the economic impact. No point in sending media to cover a state whose primary is late in the cycle. Lots of coverage, polls, research, advertisements, and such on the early states

Of course, the Democrats not counting FL and MI last election allowed Obama to beat Hillary.


98 posted on 10/02/2011 7:20:35 PM PDT by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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