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Exclusive: Democrats push tax hikes first in deficit talks
Reuters ^ | Sep 30, 2011 | Richard Cowan and Tim Reid

Posted on 09/30/2011 7:25:50 PM PDT by mdittmar

(Reuters) - Democrats want tax hikes to be the first item negotiated in "super committee" deficit-reduction talks, trying to force Republicans to confront an issue at the heart of this year's budget fights, sources told Reuters.

The tough stance by Democratic members of the powerful 12-member congressional panel reflects the party's wariness that Republicans might try to sideline the issue of revenue increases in the negotiations.

"They've raised the idea of doing taxes first," a Republican aide involved in the discussions said on Friday on condition of anonymity.

The panel has the task of finding ways of cutting the U.S. deficit by at least $1.2 trillion over 10 years. If it fails to agree on a plan by November 23, automatic spending cuts will be triggered, beginning in 2013.

If Democrats hold firm to their demand for taxes to be discussed first, that could make it hard for the committee to make the tight November deadline. Congress is due to vote on the panel's recommendations by December 23.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: congress; democrats; economy; jobs; obama; taxes
And in other news,the sun came up this morning.
1 posted on 09/30/2011 7:25:54 PM PDT by mdittmar
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To: mdittmar

Of course! They need more money to funnel into “green” companies owned by Democrat bundlers and donors. Oh, and they need more money to buy guns for Mexican drug cartels.


2 posted on 09/30/2011 7:33:26 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: mdittmar

This was the whole point.

It should be declared a non-starter but then, they already promised to vote on whatever came out of the thing.

Boehner won’t cry about it


3 posted on 09/30/2011 7:33:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: mdittmar

Suggested Republican response:

OK, we’ll discuss tax hikes as soon as you agree in writing to eliminate the Department of Education and use the department’s funding for deficit reduction—except that portion for grants and scholarships which we’ll return to the states as block grants.


4 posted on 09/30/2011 7:42:44 PM PDT by filbert (More filbert at http://www.medary.com--GAME ON!!!)
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To: mdittmar

Let’s cut oil and bio-fuel subsidies. (See which industry survives).


5 posted on 09/30/2011 8:00:01 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Psalm 109:8)
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To: mdittmar
Exclusive: Democrats push tax hikes first in deficit talks

Why is that an exclusive, and why is it news?

Well, D'OH!

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Cloward and Piven theorized that by mobilizing even a small percentage of the remaining 12 million to demand their entitlements, the welfare system would be swamped with more cases than it was designed to handle, obligated to dispense more money than it was able to give out and that the ensuing result of this chaos would be "a profound financial and political crisis" that would unleash "powerful forces … for major economic reform at the national level."

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6 posted on 09/30/2011 8:02:22 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: mdittmar

GDP something like $14 Trillion. Government revenue around $2 Trillion. Government spending at around $3.5+ Trillion PER YEAR. There is no way to add a tax equal to 10% of GDP to close the deficit gap, without cratering the global economy, nevermind the US. They have to cut spending. There is no other choice.


7 posted on 09/30/2011 8:38:38 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: mdittmar

The tax issue is not about budgets. It is about getting Republicans to commit political suicide. It is “read-my-lips” ver. 2.0


8 posted on 09/30/2011 8:38:56 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: mdittmar

9 posted on 09/30/2011 8:39:47 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: mdittmar
SOP for the leftists... "Lets raise the taxes now, and we'll cut spending 5 years from now, after I'm out of office.

The "Wimpy" school of economics... "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today..." There was a great, greasy burger joint in Kansas City called "Wimpy's." They were closed on Tuesdays.

Mark

10 posted on 09/30/2011 8:42:45 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mdittmar

In the good old days, Democrats loved to Tax and Spend.

Nowadays, they just Spend and Tax.


11 posted on 09/30/2011 8:46:30 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: mdittmar

I just love the way the lamestream media immediately start using the Democrat lingo. They now have no problems using “revenue increase” for a tax increase!


12 posted on 09/30/2011 9:31:17 PM PDT by winner3000 (ss)
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To: winner3000
I just love the way the lamestream media immediately start using the Democrat lingo.

"Democrats want tax hikes"

Actually a truer statement could not have been said. Democrats are actively campaigning for higher taxes. But whether they can convince the public during hard economic times remains to be seen. Or will the Democrats and Obama become more Walter Mondales (barely getting even their base)?

Remember "How Low Can they Go" in defining "Rich"

13 posted on 10/01/2011 4:20:55 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: mdittmar
do I really have to say it???

14 posted on 10/01/2011 7:39:18 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mdittmar

Super Committee = Giant waste of time and money in an era where we are out of both.


15 posted on 10/01/2011 8:20:32 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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TAXED ENOUGH ALL READY,

Start spending responsible


16 posted on 10/01/2011 8:55:04 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: reefdiver
Start spending responsible

I can stop drinking any time I want too.

-about a billion hardcore alcoholics
17 posted on 10/01/2011 8:58:36 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: mdittmar

And let’s reflect on Boehner’s rebuke of TEA members...


18 posted on 10/01/2011 9:48:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: mdittmar
Come back with an offer to get rid of tax exempt foundations. The left will scream like a stuck pig.
19 posted on 10/01/2011 10:16:31 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: mdittmar
Expecting professional politicians to fix the Fed Budget is liking hiring drug addicts to run a bankrupt pharmacy expecting them to turn it around.
20 posted on 10/02/2011 6:28:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: filbert
except that portion for grants and scholarships which we’ll return to the states as block grants.

Screw that. No grants and no scholarships with taxpayer money - PERIOD.

21 posted on 10/02/2011 6:54:34 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Mike Darancette
Let’s cut oil and bio-fuel subsidies. (See which industry survives).

Just so I understand your point, what subsidies do oil companies get? I am not aware of any.

22 posted on 10/02/2011 6:55:51 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Go Gordon

I’m using the vernacular of the liberal here; most of what oil gets is deductions allowed any citizen or business. Getting reimbursed for adding ethanol to fuel could be considered a subsidy though. My point is that the bio-fuel industry is not sustainable without subsidies.


23 posted on 10/02/2011 8:01:47 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Psalm 109:8)
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