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Obama: Commander in chief must back gay troops
CBS News / The Associated Press ^ | October 1, 2011

Posted on 10/02/2011 1:56:23 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

President Barack Obama sharply rebuked his Republican rivals Saturday, saying anyone who wants to be commander in chief must support the entire U.S. military, including gay service members.

A combative Obama criticized Republican presidential candidates for staying silent when the crowd at a recent debate booed a gay soldier who asked a question of the contenders via videotape.

"You want to be commander in chief? You can start by standing up for the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States, even when it's not politically convenient," Obama said during remarks at the annual dinner of the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest gay rights organization.

Referencing the boos at the Sept. 22 Republican debate, he said: "We don't believe in standing silent when that happens."

Obama touted his administration's efforts to repeal the military's ban on openly gay service members, as well as his orders to the Justice Department to stop enforcing a law defining marriage as between one man and one woman...

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; obama
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To: lentulusgracchus

I wonder if the vast left wing conspiracy realizes by homsexualizing the military, they closed off the last cultural relief valve for the red blooded conservative Americans. The LAST reason to even pretend that FedGov™ had some credibility just went away. Now the pressure builds, this isn’t going to end well, FOR THEM.


101 posted on 10/02/2011 5:59:48 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Ann Archy
Hummm... Sorry to ask but is it the only the “anal” part that is the problem? What do we do with heterosexuals who have “practice” the same? Are they EEEEEEEEEEEEEVIL as well? What is Evil?
102 posted on 10/02/2011 6:00:32 AM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: Byzantine Basileus

You make no attempt to argue or persuade, rather, you dismiss argument summarily. To trade with you is pointless.


103 posted on 10/02/2011 6:01:00 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Ann Archy

Agnostic with occasional leanings to Deist.


104 posted on 10/02/2011 6:01:50 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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To: rbmillerjr

Well then, if they don’t get through training, then there isn’t a problem.


105 posted on 10/02/2011 6:02:35 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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To: ToxicMich

When hetero’s start have Anal Pride parades get back to me.


106 posted on 10/02/2011 6:03:55 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Ann Archy

No, I am definitely not a democrat.

Sleeping from a gay person? Wouldn’t bother me.

Shower? Wouldn’t bother me.

I think anybody would save their lover first. It’s human nature.


107 posted on 10/02/2011 6:04:18 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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To: lentulusgracchus; Byzantine Basileus
with both fines and prison in the scales

For your information, the human Canadian Rights Commission doesn’t have the power to imprison people…

108 posted on 10/02/2011 6:04:46 AM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: Byzantine Basileus
>>Could someone provide me a reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in the military? Keep in mind I am secular conservative, so religious arguments do not appeal to me.<<

Look up the secular history of Sodom and Gamorah.

109 posted on 10/02/2011 6:04:56 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: central_va

It’s just that it disturbs me to when somebody equates Anal Sex with Pro-Abortion... Makes no logical sense...


110 posted on 10/02/2011 6:07:46 AM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: kabar
The military should not be a social engineering lab. Its purpose is to defend this nation. Aything that impairs the ability to do that is wrong.

Thank you, my point exactly. And now, since DADT repeal has been shoved down our throats, they want transgenders in the service. See the can of worms this whole repeal has opened? Imagine what happens if they make same sex marriage legal, then it will be anything goes.

111 posted on 10/02/2011 6:10:24 AM PDT by stratman1969 (Run, Sarah, Run - 2012!)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

“Well then, if they don’t get through training, then there isn’t a problem.”

Basic training in the Army and in the Marines is for pussies.

Real soldiering happens in the unit...As I said, they are not good soldiers and they eventually lose credibility as leaders.

The military is not meant to be a bunch of fairies making finicky emotional decisions. THEY CAN’T FRACKING SOLDIER.

Now, address my concern of military effectiveness dirt bag


112 posted on 10/02/2011 6:10:42 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This scheming little commie bastard is ruining our economy, our medical system, our children's future and our political discourse and now he's hell-bent on destroying our military.

A pox on him!

113 posted on 10/02/2011 6:15:03 AM PDT by Gritty (There's no other way to say it... (Obama is) an enemy within - Matt Barber)
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To: Byzantine Basileus
You didn't read what it said. The tragedy of this is the Female wives and their children being exposed to this on Military Base Housing. This is just so wrong in so many ways. If you want to post on FR, read and try to keep with the conversation.
114 posted on 10/02/2011 6:24:56 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kuffir!)
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To: rbmillerjr

In the Australian army, openly homosexual soldiers have been serving since 1992. No great moral collapse has occured, nor has the effectiveness of the military declined.


115 posted on 10/02/2011 6:28:13 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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To: Byzantine Basileus; central_va
>>Are you willing to cast out a person who believes in such things, just because that person has a different view of homosexuality?<<

Cancer in an organism cannot be allowed to remain. It needs to be eliminated or cut out. If a person has a cancerous lung they cut it out. This site is for God, family, country, in that order. Those denying the first usually don’t last long here.

116 posted on 10/02/2011 6:28:15 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

Well, you are welcome to get my account suspended if you do not believe a conservative has a place on this site.


117 posted on 10/02/2011 6:30:18 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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To: Byzantine Basileus
>>Well, you are welcome to get my account suspended if you do not believe a conservative has a place on this site.<<

Not my job. My guess is the boss isn’t up yet (California) or you would have been gone already.

118 posted on 10/02/2011 6:34:23 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: central_va

If I were profiling, this guy’s description of himself would raise a huge red flag.


119 posted on 10/02/2011 6:35:22 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet


120 posted on 10/02/2011 6:35:25 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

“In the Australian army, openly homosexual soldiers have been serving since 1992. No great moral collapse has occured, nor has the effectiveness of the military declined.”

Your agenda is pro homosexual liberty. My agenda is an effective military that is violent and effective as an organization.

You have ignored my contention and personal experience that homosexuals can’t soldier effectively...they make bad emotional decisions and when they get into leadership positions their finicky emotionalism leads to first the breakdown of the unit and the eventual failure of the homosexual leader.

My concern is of military effectiveness.


121 posted on 10/02/2011 6:36:34 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: central_va

Wow! I am saddened by the level of hatred on this thread. I wonder how many of you actually know a homosexual. I have been to teaparties, volunteered at GOP campaigns and prolife events. My conservative values are NOT in question. But this hatred is destructive. NOT ALL homosexuals are evil. Do I believe they are misguided..yes..do I believe G-d created us to achieve the greatest joy in life thru procreating with our heterosexual partner..yes. Do I approve of blantant, in your face sexuality (whether it be homo or hetero)..No..But at the risk of being a pollyanna..hate the sin..not the sinner.


122 posted on 10/02/2011 6:38:18 AM PDT by coloradomomba (Lord God...please use me.)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

The state has a duty to discriminate between legitimate and illegitimate behavior.

For every homosexual there is a spouse of the opposite sex deprived of their rightful spouse, a marriage reduced to sexual perversion, and a family degenerated from multiple generation.

God established the institution of marriage, not man.

He also tells us truly homosexuals, liars, murderers, extortioners, and adulterers will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Every argument advocating homosexual living is unsound and may be better understood by those ignorant of homosexuality by using the same arguments to condone murder.

e.g. ...We can also claim murderers are people with feelings too. They always have been around. Who are we to condemn murder? Murderers are great patriots when they serve in the military. We should be thanking murderers for their service to the country and not become preoccupied with their private affairs.

Such arguments attempt to ignore and avoid the perversion called homosexuality.

There isn’t one homosexual in the military service who isn’t also a habitual criminal, because only recently has a perverted POTUS promoted its legitimacy. Every servicemember who is a homosexual today has scarred their thinking by knowing very well how to live a criminal lifestyle and conceal it from legitimate peers. Part of their appeal to homosexuality involves the very same illegitimate corruption in their soul.

They are specifically the types of souls who ought not be trusted with public welfare. They have been criminal, never held accountable, and are now corrupt in their thinking even if their behavior is now legitimatize by an antichristian government. They have no honor, nor fidelity, nor trustworthiness and should be removed from any public office with extreme prejudice.


123 posted on 10/02/2011 6:39:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

N00b, like most degeneracy, it takes a few years and a few stumbles to reveal the true corruption of a code. You can push the degenerate code to a fairtheewell but it will still be degeneracy. Are you proud of that? Didn’t like that code, not to your corrupt liking?


124 posted on 10/02/2011 6:40:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: ToxicMich

And yet another homo-pushing n00b. We (FR) are becoming infected with youse freaks! I’m searching for a phrase to describe your ilk, so recently signed on at FR to push the homo agenda ... Kneepad Brigade! Yup, the KBs.


125 posted on 10/02/2011 6:42:38 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

America must move forward to succeed. This is impossible for gays as they cannot procreate. They require the facilitation of straights to foster that illusion. If Obama didn´t see how open homosexuality would hasten the destruction of America that he seeks, he wouldn´t give it a second thought. The ¨humanity¨ he would call to it is a farce.


126 posted on 10/02/2011 6:49:21 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: MHGinTN
You are dreaming... I said no such thing. I was responding to a post where the poster was equating anal sex with pro-abortion. It didn't make sense to me (still doesn't) because there is a difference between anal sex and homosexuality.
127 posted on 10/02/2011 6:51:40 AM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: rbmillerjr
BB appears to be a practicing homo, so honest exchanges are not to be assumed.

IIRC, the little thief of reems of sensitive government documents is a fag/fairie/homo/fudgepacker. He illustrates the flaw in homo minds ... they believe themselves to be the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong, justice and retribution. BB is illustrating this fact with its posts. Such degenerate minds do not have the mindset to actually believe in and honor 'the code' because they believe themselves above such conformity, albeit they will, for deceit's sake, conform in all ways except where they serve their most central motivator, their lust for sexual perversion.

128 posted on 10/02/2011 7:03:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

“Could someone provide me a reason why homosexuals should not be allowed to serve in the military?”

Certainly:
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

That should be enough right there. Homosexuality is supported by the left- in support of their goals. Allowing them into the military is the height of insanity.


129 posted on 10/02/2011 7:04:09 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Byzantine Basileus

You need some praying for.....you are a very confused person.


130 posted on 10/02/2011 7:05:56 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ToxicMich

Only difference is found in your twisted agenda-driven mind, n00b. Degeneracy is as degenerate does. The anus is the exit point of the human sewer line. Only degenerates seek the sewer for their sexual gratification.


131 posted on 10/02/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: All

I really hope these defenders of Liberty for homosexuals will address why they believe that the “agenda and lifestyle” is more important than military effectiveness.

Gays don’t fit into the Uber Alpha Male culture of our warrior who take on the scum of the earth. They rattle union cohesion and they are out very quickly, not for their feminine traits, but for their piss poor ability to make decisions and soldier effectively.

Unfortunately, while most were “sent packing” old school back in the day, now the pro Liberal Homo sensitivity is being forced on our professional military.

Before these morons are zotted, hopefully they can give some real explanations for their lack of zeal for our professional and elite military. I’m not interested in 2nd tier military tradition either.


132 posted on 10/02/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: coloradomomba

After the Pink Hand queer nation stepped into our conservative backyard and attacked the military if I didn’t hate it there would be something wrong with me.


133 posted on 10/02/2011 7:09:55 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: coloradomomba
Wow! I am saddened by the level of hatred on this thread

PS I am happy you are saddened.

134 posted on 10/02/2011 7:12:16 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have been reading the posts so far and what I get is that most of these pro-homo types are women. The libs know they can get their agenda through by using the female emotional angle. And yes I am a woman.


135 posted on 10/02/2011 7:21:21 AM PDT by timeflies
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks for the precision.


136 posted on 10/02/2011 7:25:20 AM PDT by ToxicMich (If I catch you sleeping in this space AGAIN, I'M GONNA KICK YOUR # "?/%")
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To: Byzantine Basileus

I don’t agree with you entirely, but neither do I believe that your libertarian arguments should be dismissed with ridicule and abuse.


137 posted on 10/02/2011 7:27:27 AM PDT by sand lake bar (I believe in Adam West's invisible hand.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Fagots have been serving and it was not an issue. The issue is open homosexual behavior vice keeping your butt pirate activities to yourself. Sex in barracks is illegal it happens but if caught it is NJP at least in the Corps. Heterosexuals must get a hotel room just like the fags. Military service is not a right it comes with rules for good order and discipline. New discriminate against many people for many social reasons related to good order. Recoded criminals, drug addicts, ADDH are disqualifying factors. Homosexuality is not a benign factor like race, is is a behavior not compatible with modern military life. Do not through the minuscule English military out as an example nor the Israelis who are surrounded by enemies everyone must fight. Russia bans faggots, in 10 years they will over take us. Why because while we are worried about offending less than 2% of the military the Russian remains focused on it's job. Kill the enemy and take territory.
138 posted on 10/02/2011 7:29:48 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dumbo had a bj in a limo by a gay man and thinks it should be our national policy.


139 posted on 10/02/2011 7:30:46 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As is his custom, Obama wants republicans to bend over backwards for the gay troops.


140 posted on 10/02/2011 7:34:51 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Byzantine Basileus

Imagine yourself in the common shower with one.

Consider having the guy next to you in a foxhole worrying more about a special friend down the line than you.

Contemplate possible favoritism, a la females on the “Love Boat” in the first Gulf War, by a “pink Mafia” regarding promotions and cushy jobs.

Think about the creation of a new “protected species” in the military. You know Orwell’s “some animals are more equal than others”.

Apply all of the above to discipline, unit cohesion and accomplishment of mission. The military is NOT a social science laboratory.


141 posted on 10/02/2011 7:35:08 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: central_va

I to find solace in the sadness of those attacking my military. Gay behavior is an abomination, most warfighters were against this. Sadly it was the want to be warriors in the Navy and Air Force that were on the fore front of pushing this on the military. Anyone surprised by the hatred lives in a bubble. You can force tolerance in public but you can never force acceptance.


142 posted on 10/02/2011 7:40:48 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Leave it to the homosexual agenda and a compliant jackass
for a president to turn our kicka$$ military into a band
of merry men.


143 posted on 10/02/2011 7:43:27 AM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: All
A combative Obama...

Obama's a pussy and a wimp...

144 posted on 10/02/2011 7:43:27 AM PDT by Doofer ("If debt is the problem, how is more debt the solution"?)
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To: Byzantine Basileus; Bikkuri; Jim Robinson
I really don’t have much of a problem with gay marriage either. If it is between two consenting adults, then the state should not interfere with their private lives.

I think you have mistaken this site for GayRepublic.com - move on troll!

145 posted on 10/02/2011 7:45:41 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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Fagots have been serving and it was not an issue. The issue is open homosexual behavior vice keeping your butt pirate activities to yourself. Sex in barracks is illegal it happens but if caught it is NJP at least in the Corps. Heterosexuals must get a hotel room just like the fags. Military service is not a right it comes with rules for good order and discipline. We discriminate against many people for many social reasons related to good order. Reformed criminals, drug addicts, ADDH are just a few disqualifying factors. Homosexuality is not a benign factor like race, it is a behavior and a life style not compatible with modern military life. Do not through the minuscule English military out as an example nor the Israelis who are surrounded by enemies everyone must fight. Russia bans faggots, in 10 years they will over take us. Why because while we are worried about offending less than 2% of the military the Russian remains focused on it's job. Kill the enemy and take territory.
146 posted on 10/02/2011 7:47:56 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: Byzantine Basileus

The thing is gays are allowed to marry, they are just restricted (in most paces) from marrying someone of the same gender.

If you isolate gay marriage and gay military service into a single issue, on the surface it appears pretty benign. The issue I have with it is that at every turn the demands for “gay rights” is undermining the rights of every other indivudual around them. That causes serious issues for the First Amendement rights of everyone who is not gay.


147 posted on 10/02/2011 7:53:38 AM PDT by Chandalier (You say Obama, I say O-blame-o!)
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To: Chode
Obama: From now on, our military will be issued the following dress code to show the world exactly what this country's commander in freek stands for....


148 posted on 10/02/2011 8:02:15 AM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: rbmillerjr

There are quite a few sources which detail that the effectiveness of militaries that allow openly gay people to serve has not been diminished:

http://reason.com/archives/2010/02/08/buried-truths-about-gays-in-th

http://www.palmcenter.org/publications/dadt/effects_of_the_1992_lifting_of_restrictions_on_gay_and_lesbian_service_in_the_canadian_forces_appraising_the_e


149 posted on 10/02/2011 8:06:38 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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To: cameraeye

Adults and childrens have been in contact with gay people before. No casaulties have been reported.


150 posted on 10/02/2011 8:08:44 AM PDT by Byzantine Basileus
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