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Obama proudly declares class warfare
The Korea Times ^ | October 2, 2011 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 10/02/2011 2:16:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

It's official: America is at class war, and President Barack Obama proudly leads the charge against this country's wealthy.

``If asking a millionaire to pay the same tax rate as a plumber makes me a class warrior ― a warrior for the working class ― I will accept that," Obama shouted Tuesday at Denver's Abraham Lincoln High School. ``I will wear that charge as a badge of honor."

``Middle-class families shouldn't pay higher tax rates than millionaires and billionaires. A teacher or a nurse or a construction worker making $50,000 a year shouldn't pay higher tax rates than somebody making $50 million."

Obama's assault on the affluent rests upon a sky-high stack of lies. Obama is too well staffed and too well informed not to know otherwise. So, maddeningly, he straight-out lies to the American people.

For days before Obama opened his mouth in Denver, multiple news accounts and opinion pieces annihilated the casus belli of his War on the Wealthy. Nonetheless, Obama keeps spouting falsehoods, perhaps hoping that his smooth voice will hypnotize Americans into believing his words.

``Fact check: The wealthy already pay more taxes," read the headline above a September 20 Associated Press. ``President Obama says he wants to make sure millionaires are taxed at higher rates than their secretaries," Stephen Ohlemacher wrote. ``The data say they already are."

Nationwide, Ohlemacher and others dismantled Obama's soak-the-rich thesis. The rich are soaked today.

In 2008, its latest data indicate, the Internal Revenue Service harvested $1.0315 trillion in income tax ― of which the top 10 percent of earners paid $721.4 billion. The top 5 percent shelled out another $605.7 billion, and the top 1 percent relinquished $392.15 billion. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent collectively paid just $27.9 billion. Thus, the top 1 percent of taxpayers furnished 14 times the income taxes that the bottom half of filers supplied.

In 2009, the IRS reports, those who made at least $1 million average 24.4 percent of adjusted gross income in federal income taxes. Those who scored $200,000 to $300,000 paid 17.5 percent. Between $100,000 and $125,000: 9.9 percent. From $50,000 to $60,000: 6.3 percent. Those who earned between $20,000 and $30,000 saw income taxes devour 2.5 percent of AGI.

Income, schmincome, Leftists chirp. What about payroll taxes that lower-income Americans pay? Counting other taxes still shows that higher earners pay more, Obama's dark fantasies notwithstanding.

The Tax Policy Center ― a joint venture of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution ― reported August 24 that Americans who receive $1 million or more will average 29.1 percent of earnings in 2011 federal income, payroll, corporate, and death taxes. Those clearing between $50,000 and $75,000 will pay 15 percent, while those from $40,000 to $50,000 will average 12.5 percent. Those federal taxes will extract 5.7 percent from earners between $20,000 and $30,000.

Dry? Yes. But these figures demonstrate that Americans who earn more money pay more federal tax. Those who see less pay less. If Obama finds this unfair, he should define fairness.

True, the IRS notes, 1,470 households produced at least $1 million but paid no federal income tax in 2009. Still, this is just 0.62 percent of the 236,883 returns that millionaires filed. This reinforces the bipartisan idea of closing loopholes and lowering tax rates ― but not Obama's crusade against ``millionaires and billionaires" and his American Jobs Act's tax hikes on people earning as little as $200,000.

When Obama accepted the 2008 Democratic nomination in Denver, he espoused national unity. The USA would ``come together as one American family," he declared. The nearby Continental Divide might become this republic's only rift, if Barack Obama secured the presidency.

How disappointing that the eloquent man who millions hoped would heal this land now actively pits Americans against each other ― not by race or creed, but by income. As London's arson-scorched victims of mob rule learned last August, there is nothing cute about class war.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: classwarfare; economy; obama; taxes
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1 posted on 10/02/2011 2:16:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think GE’s Jeff Immelt is too worried about Obama turning on him, despite all the tax sops he’s gotten.

Strange cases like this aside, the seemingly low taxes paid by the very wealthy arise in part from the fundamentally different treatment of wages and capital gains, and in part because they can afford to go total Galt if they want, living the rest of their lives comfortably off of their stashes. Unless America wants a pure capital tax, there’s nothing that can be done about this.


2 posted on 10/02/2011 2:22:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Not only that, but isn't all tax help (CPAs, tax lawyers, etc) tax-deductible?
3 posted on 10/02/2011 2:23:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Even here, there is a law of diminishing returns. A dozen CPAs should suffice for any individual short of Donald Trump. A hundred of them wouldn’t get any lower tax and would be a pointless expense. This isn’t a tax credit.


4 posted on 10/02/2011 2:29:08 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
True, the IRS notes, 1,470 households produced at least $1 million

And they conveniently neglect the most important fact and that is that the majority of those households that gross at least $1 million are small business owners who are not incorporated thus the gross income shows on their personal tax returns who are the real job creators. Always have been and always will be.

5 posted on 10/02/2011 2:41:08 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

I’m starving for cites on this topic. Where are you sourcing your information from so I can show this to others?


6 posted on 10/02/2011 2:44:13 AM PDT by socalgop
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, I suppose one could, for perversity’s sake, invest one’s profits completely in tax experts, and deduct one’s taxable income for a tax year down to zero. For someone who wants an empire more than money, this might be attractive. Though even the IRS might put a lid on that after some reasonable number of tax experts. And nobody at this level would fail to incorporate, which brings in a whole ‘nother set of tax laws.


7 posted on 10/02/2011 2:45:31 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: patlin

Even the ordinarily rich (CEOs of largeish firms would qualify — and don’t forget the lottery winners) produce jobs just by spending a lot. They needn’t incorporate and become a business to do that.


8 posted on 10/02/2011 2:49:00 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Quite, franky, no one should be paying you anything, Mr, Obama.

I think you’ve had quite enough.


9 posted on 10/02/2011 3:09:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only one listening to him now are high school kids.


10 posted on 10/02/2011 3:14:01 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s War on Freedom


11 posted on 10/02/2011 3:21:34 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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12 posted on 10/02/2011 3:46:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It amazes me how this idiot just constantly lies out his piehole and the media just gives him a pass. Millionaires pay less than a plumber (or a Jew plumber as IslamObama likes to call them). What a doosh. Reminds me of the time I read about the net worth of Bruce Willis. He’s only worth $30 mill despite the fact that he makes $20 mill a picture. Lawyers, agents, and taxes taxes taxes and he’s left with a mere fraction of that $20 million. If a plumber makes $60K a year, does he end up with $6K? Hell no. But it’s OK to take 99% of a millionaires money and still that’s not enough according to IslamObama.


13 posted on 10/02/2011 3:54:25 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Mark Halperin - Learned the hard way what happens when you speak the truth on PMSNBC.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The man is becoming delusional and totally irrelevant.


14 posted on 10/02/2011 4:01:17 AM PDT by khenrich (And people thought Jimmy Carter was our worst president........)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

“It amazes me how this idiot just constantly lies out his piehole and the media just gives him a pass.”

not nearly amazing as the PEOPLE giving him a pass


15 posted on 10/02/2011 4:04:53 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

test


16 posted on 10/02/2011 4:06:48 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Yer it!")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Frankly, I don't care if millionaires receive a tax increase or not so long as I don't. After adding up my federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, fuel taxes, and service taxes and then adding in the hidden taxes i.e. the inflation taxes, the increased fines and fees taxes, and the license plate fees and taxes, I am giving approximately 40-50% of my income to the government and receiving pretty much nothing in return. I think I have been Taxed. Enough. Already.- more than enough. I think I speak for the middle class of America when I say: I am tapped so DO NOT come to me with your handout for anything period.
17 posted on 10/02/2011 4:09:40 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: RC one

Exclusive: Democrats push tax hikes first in deficit talks

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/01/us-usa-debt-supercommittee-idUSTRE78T5QE20111001


18 posted on 10/02/2011 4:16:30 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Americans are awakened on this subject now, and the is not a significant number of Americans who believe his lies about this anymore. They see it for what it is a lame attempt to raise taxes on everyone and to further stifle our economy.

I say let him run with it now, it only hurts his chances and any Democratic Party politician’s chances for a win in 2012.


19 posted on 10/02/2011 4:19:30 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama lies....
Who knew?
DUH, Anyone paying attention!


20 posted on 10/02/2011 4:44:12 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How disappointing that the eloquent man who millions hoped would heal this land now actively pits Americans against each other ― not by race or creed, but by income.

Actually, he's darn good at racial divisiveness too.

21 posted on 10/02/2011 4:46:39 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Somebody help me out here because I don’t understand. Obama spouts his class war rhetoric yet surrounds himself with smiling millionaires and billionaires. Are all those sycophantic sports stars, movie stars and network television anchors somehow exempt?


22 posted on 10/02/2011 4:53:40 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: jacknhoo
Americans are awakened on this subject now, and the is not a significant number of Americans who believe his lies about this anymore. They see it for what it is a lame attempt to raise taxes on everyone and to further stifle our economy. I say let him run with it now, it only hurts his chances and any Democratic Party politician’s chances for a win in 2012.

Exactly. By putting liberalism into practice, everyone is getting a little lesson in economics. I believe that Obama's problem is that people intinctively sense now that making their employers the declared enemy may in the end jeopardize their own livlihood.

The media, having sold us this bill of goods, isn't being listened to anymore either.

Obama is just making it worse for himself with more class warfare.

23 posted on 10/02/2011 5:09:56 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: arasina

Actually, yes, they pretty much are exempt, because they’ll be able to get around any new taxes.

It’ll be the “bourgeoisie” middle class that gets to pay higher taxes, with the whole intent being to destroy their ability to amass wealth (and independence).


24 posted on 10/02/2011 5:14:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The differences between a Christian leadership where everyone is an American first not a political asset is night and day and quite apparent with our current regime.


25 posted on 10/02/2011 5:15:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Its all divide and conquer with the regime.

Sad thing is they have the DBM behind them lying,covering up,misrepresenting, ignoring key stories, all the way.

26 posted on 10/02/2011 5:19:51 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Buddies with the wealthy, Obama and his New World Order pretend to favor the “little guy” over the very bed partners he’s sharing billions in money and political power with. What a whore!


27 posted on 10/02/2011 5:28:20 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama Lied, the Economy Died!


28 posted on 10/02/2011 5:33:12 AM PDT by gunsmithkat (There is no such thing as Too Many Guns)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A warrior for the unions speaks.


29 posted on 10/02/2011 5:39:13 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Obama proudly declares class warfare

Between class and no class? There's certainly no class in this administration.

30 posted on 10/02/2011 6:14:06 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I rented “The French Revolution” from Netflix last night. It’s really quite eery the parallels between modern American liberalism and the movement driving the mobs of the French Revolution.


31 posted on 10/02/2011 6:20:04 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
``Middle-class families shouldn't pay higher tax rates than millionaires and billionaires."

Translation: "All types of income, including capital gains from investment, and dividends that have already been taxed, and interest from formerly tax-exempt municipals, should be taxed at ordinary income rates. In addition, Social Security taxes should apply to all income and not be capped for income level."

According to his analysis, that kind of confiscation will have no detrimental effects on the incentives to work and earn for the successful, and provide huge funds for his projects.

32 posted on 10/02/2011 6:39:53 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

P.S., Next comes the wealth tax proposal. “Those who have accumulated—rather, make it ‘come into’—great wealth should share it for the common good. We are not asking much... just a few percent a year...” It’s coming.


33 posted on 10/02/2011 6:44:12 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: RC one

“Frankly, I don’t care if millionaires receive a tax increase or not so long as I don’t. “

Well, how very socialist of you.


34 posted on 10/02/2011 6:57:37 AM PDT by battletank
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To: arasina
That's SOP for a Marxist regime. The people who make out like bandits aren't "the rich" or "the poor" or "the working-class" or "the blacks" or "the whites," but always and only ... the politically well-connected. That's all Marxism really is, the political class seizing all power for itself.

So when Obozo rants about "the rich" not paying their "fair share," what he really means is that the conservative rich who aren't his lapdogs need to be punished for their non-conformity, while the rich who are his lapdogs, like Buffett and Immelt, will be rewarded.

35 posted on 10/02/2011 7:28:49 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

America will send this community agitator packing in Nov. 2012, along with the party that gave him his marxist platform.


36 posted on 10/02/2011 8:16:44 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: wayoverontheright

NEW YORK (MainStreet) — Legislators in Washington may be torn about whether to raise taxes on the wealthiest households to boost government revenues and lower the deficit, but the American public seems largely decided on the issue.

Nearly three quarters of those surveyed in a new poll by The New York Times and CBS News said they would approve of increasing taxes on households earning $250,000 or more a year to bring down the deficit, while just 24% said they disapprove of this step.

Likewise, some 72% of those surveyed by The Washington Post and ABC in a poll also released this month said they supported taxing the wealthiest households, while 27% were said to be against it.

http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/taxes/most-americans-want-higher-taxes-rich


37 posted on 10/02/2011 11:41:57 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: rodguy911

It’s like everybody has forgotten the historical reasons for common social roles. Not all these reasons are based on nonsense, even though some are (e.g. nonsensical biases based on race rather than character). Without some firm philosophical basis to separate wheat from chaff in ideas, we get a nihilistic relativism rather than fairness.


38 posted on 10/02/2011 1:42:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Excellent post here. I have no love for Immelt but its my understanding that GE simply had tax loses from previous years they held over. Something even a small earner like me has done over the years.Hard to hold that against them.


39 posted on 10/02/2011 1:48:58 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: battletank

yes, handing over 40-50% of my income to the government is very socialist of me.


40 posted on 10/02/2011 1:50:54 PM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

My CPA told me that when you do this,look for every loophole that exists, you get audited. When they audit you if they don’t find anything they come back year after year so why bother.


41 posted on 10/02/2011 1:54:24 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: RC one

You haven’t lived until you make as little as I do and wind up paying a huge sum,10% of sales, to the IRS for excise tax.Then it really sucks.


42 posted on 10/02/2011 1:56:52 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: arasina
Nahhh.. They are just smarter than average and vain enough to protect their ass by woooing the Dear One. If they are in bed with him he's not likely to run his sword through them unless they get in his way.

It's like dating Dracula. You are OK unless he gets hungry.

43 posted on 10/02/2011 1:59:41 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: Caipirabob

There is class in this administration. It’s all low class.From the flotus on down.They are all street people spending our money with reckless abandon.


44 posted on 10/02/2011 2:03:32 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: ilovesarah2012
...a new poll by The New York Times and CBS News said they would approve of increasing taxes on households earning $250,000 or more a year to bring down the deficit...

I'll have to concede that this poll may be correct, but I'm wary of all polls done by the NYT and CBS.....And, if the question were changed to ask if the people would consider raising taxes on those making over $250k to be a good way to create jobs, I believe the answer would be different.

When voters go to the polls in 2012, they'll be more concerned with jobs than the deficit, IMHO. My evidence is anecdotal, I admit it.

I love Sarah too.

45 posted on 10/02/2011 2:04:14 PM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Its social mores, class,values vs. street thuggery.


46 posted on 10/02/2011 2:05:42 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s a warrior, and he’s got his “army.”


47 posted on 10/02/2011 2:07:32 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: wayoverontheright

This is all focus tested BS by the left. They live/die by the polls. They always know just how far they can go to destroy everything we hold of value. whether it be money, mores, class or virtue.Political power trumphs all for them.


48 posted on 10/02/2011 2:08:47 PM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: RC one

Terrible, isn’t it? And “the rich” are paying even more than you are in income taxes. Only socialists wouldn’t give a damn about it. The fact that you only care about yourself says it all. Conservatives care about ALL the people being overtaxed.


49 posted on 10/03/2011 5:57:08 AM PDT by battletank
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To: battletank

see it how you like, I truly don’t care. I don’t care trade insults with you either.


50 posted on 10/03/2011 8:03:01 AM PDT by RC one (Voting isn't a simple act of civic duty anymore, it's a complex act of civil war.)
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