Posted on 10/03/2011 5:29:32 AM PDT by spirited irish
Maybe in the case being considered. But this is not always true. You might want to view the links I presented in post 380
James A. Shapiro - Revisiting evolution in the 21st Century
“So the mechanism you use to explain the evolution...”
Spirited: Before the Pieta there was a beautiful spark of inspiration in the soul of man. One might say that between inspiration and finished Pieta there was a process of evolution. Observe however that this process was not mechanical but rather alive at all times.....in the soul of the subcreator.
It has ever been the case that false-mystics such as amd prefer to speak of things unseen, such as the “unseen” force or energy that animates the “mechanical” process otherwise known as evolution. The impersonal force has been known by many names since the dawn of history: Chaos, Nu, the Oversoul, Mind of the Universe, christ-consciousness,and dialectical matter, being but a few examples.
By “use itself to muster a defense” you mean increase its mutation rate in order to ‘find’ genetic solutions to the stress?
Error prone DNA polymerase is expressed via transcription factors that are activated during the stress response. It is DIRECTLY involved in the actual response made to the stress because it DIRECTLY introduces mutations that ARE the response that is made.
The process IS established prior to the stress.
Why, are you ignorant enough to STILL insist that all cell stress leads to cell death?
Do you reject the theory of evolution as being a legitimate scientific theory because it is not obeservable or repeatable?
The stress response that includes expression of error prone DNA polymerase is about as good an example as one can find of what Shapiro is talking about when he says....
“Novelty in evolution comes in part from genome changes that are the result of regulated cellular activity”
Regulated cellular activity = the stress response.
Genome changes = the result of using error prone DNA polymerase instead of the usual high fidelity DNA polymerase.
Novelty in evolution = a novel solution to the stress brought about by increasing genetic variation and allowing selective pressures (stress) to act such that particular genetic variations (those better able to thrive during the stress) predominate.
Primarily, although I think when you examine all the related scientific data collected over the last 150 years the evidence against evolution is quite overwhelming. Creation viewpoints just don’t not get an equal amount of exposure in media nor scientific circles.
Life is a subset of creation. Creation includes the start of the physical universe which existed before life. Evolutionists focus on life changes and ignores how life started. God could have started the life chain from something small but matter has not been shown to create life.
His flood theory involves something called "hydroplates" which he himself describes as an "unrepeatable event", and was by all available accounts "unobserved".
Plenty of evidence still remains esp. with the mid-oceanic fault circumnavigating the globe. His theory fits many more of the pieces of a gigantic jigsaw representing our history than any other theory imho.
Does an agnostic insomniac with dyslexia stay up all night wondering if there really is a dog?
Suddenly unobservered and unrepeatable aren’t a consideration.
Suddenly unobservered and unrepeatable aren’t a consideration.
I’ve said many times that neither evolution nor creation istrue science. It doesn’t mean we should not examine all the evidence and make assertions, predictions and conclusions. It still is a great mystery worth pursuing no matter where the evidence leads.
Is radiometrics “true science”?
Not too my satisfaction no. Results vary wildly. Beginning ratios of father and daughter elements are assumed. Leeching or contamination by other elements also unknown Approximate age is not reached blindly but with location, conditions, and depth of artifacts pre-supplied along with an estimated age.
And the primary reason, other natural clocks indicating several magnitudes less time has passed are completely ignored.
Have you ever questioned the methodology that produced those results, or did you accept it as fact?
Please examine for yourself and feel free to add your own explanation for any/all.
101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth
Well, that is a new one. A Darwinian agreeing with Shapiro. But Shapiro only gives selection a minor part in the scheme of things. The novelty has been achieved by the cellular response. Selection only gets rid of deadwood. Further, Shapiro's whole point denies what you are attempting to promote when you mention error prone DNA polymerase. That is, the process of innovation in the cell is an accidental process. Shapiro argues against that view. Error prone DNA polymerase is only one of a set of tools used by a "computing" cell. And in another post you asked where the cell keeps it bag of previous mutations. It keeps the previous mutations in pseudo-genes and other apparently unused portions of the genome.(Shapiro's R/W memory). It is the totebag. Did you see the araB-lacZ fusion in slide 22 in the "works of the mind" pdf? Why the substantial difference in response between the MCS1366 and MCS2 variants?
To what end? Are you really asking for evidence or explanations that might lead you to change your mind?
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