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Imagine There's No God.....Only Evolution
Renew America ^ | Sept. 13, 2011 | Linda Kimball

Posted on 10/03/2011 5:29:32 AM PDT by spirited irish

Karl Popper (1902-1994) was a British philosopher and a professor at the London School of Economics. Because he is regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century, what Popper had to say about Darwinism is of utmost importance to the desperate political struggle fought between creationists and methodological and ontological naturalists. This is because the America of the Founding generation is firmly grounded in the Genesis account of creation, Old and New Testament morality and Christian theism, yet the original meaning and intent of U.S. law — as now controlled and defined by anti-God naturalism — has been radically changed so that it now reflects the doctrinal decrees of imperialist atheist evolutionary naturalism.

Whereas the Founding generation esteemed the Bible and used it to teach their children to read, comprehend and think logically as well as to properly train them in morality and self-discipline, in contemporary America, God, Bible, and moral absolutes have been banned in favor of evolutionary science, atheism, moral relativism, and self-gratification. The still-unfolding consequences of all of this are destructive and terrible, adversely affecting every level of society from the individual to the family, community, and cultural institutions to local and national politics.

In post-Christian America atheist evolutionism is taken for granted throughout the college curriculum, just as it is in all aspects of modern thought and experience, especially within the progressive liberal community. Evolution not only undergirds biological and earth sciences, but also Freudian and Jungian psychology, anthropology, law, sociology, politics, economics, the media, arts, medicine, and all other academic disciplines as well.

Evolution-believers range from atheists and scientists to esoteric Free Masonry, Hollywood insiders, occult New Age spiritists, Satanists, powerful Transnational Progressives, and large numbers of people who call themselves Christian. Among this last group are Liberal Christians, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Emergent Church leaders Brian McLaren and Rob Bell, growing numbers of the Evangelical contemporary Church, and an increasingly vocal community of Christian scholars and scientists such as Dennis Venema. Venema is a senior fellow at BioLogos Foundation, a Christian group that tries to reconcile the Bible with evolutionary science, and as a consequence teach that humans emerged from apes.

Evolutionary naturalism is poisoning and destroying America's traditional foundations, and when the foundations have finally been destroyed, all that is built upon them will be destroyed as well.

Americans have been deceived, and are needful of learning the truth about Darwinism — and all other evolutionary theories, by whatever name they are called.

Evolutionism: Spiritual...not Empirical

Though Popper esteemed evolutionary theory and natural selection, he also forthrightly stated that Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory but rather a metaphysical research program. By this he means that not only is Darwinism metaphysical (spiritual), but so are its' two most important foundations, classical empiricism and the observationalist philosophy of science that grew out of it.

Empiricism is a theory of knowledge that contradicts itself by asserting that human knowledge comes only or primarily via sensory experience rather than the mind while observationalism asserts that human knowledge and theories must be based on empirical observations....instead of the mind. For this reason, Popper argued strongly against empiricism and observationalism, saying that scientific theories and human knowledge generally, is conjectural or hypothetical and is generated by the creative imagination.

In other words, all three theories originated in the mind, a power of which is imagination. As mind is a power of soul, then Darwinism, empiricism, and observationalism are spiritual. In short, all three theories are frauds. They claim to be what they are not in order to obtain an advantage over the Genesis account of creation by imposition of immoral means.

In Noah Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, 1828, soul and imagination are respectively defined as:

1. Soul: "The spiritual, rational and immortal substance in man, which distinguishes him from brutes; that part of man which enables him to think and reason."

The Founding generation knew that mind is a power of soul, and imagination the power by which mind conceives:

2. Imagination: "...the power or faculty of the mind by which it conceives and forms ideas of things communicated to it by the senses....The business of conception (and the) power of modifying our conceptions, by combining the parts of different ones so as to form new wholes of our own creation...(imagination) selects the parts of different conceptions, or objects of memory, to form a whole more pleasing, more terrible, or more awful, than has ever been presented in the ordinary course of nature."

In conclusion, evolutionism is an invention of imagination, an invention more terrible and more destructive than has ever been presented in the ordinary course of nature. It imagines that God is dead, that life somehow emerged out of nonlife, that man is not created in the spiritual image of God the Father but is rather a soulless, mindless ex-ape of evolution. It imagines there is no sin, no "hell below us, and above us only sky."

Evolutionism is an invention of imagination, and it has taken the post-Christian West by storm.

copyright 2011 Linda Kimball


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: atheism; darwinism; evolutionism; gagdadbob; god; moralabsolutes; onecosmosblog; scientism
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To: RoadGumby

Yes. I believe that. Where there appears to be a discrepancy the fault is in our interpretation. Studying the natural world can help us understand his Word if we are willing to admit that our first interpretation may not be completely correct.


41 posted on 10/03/2011 6:38:21 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA; spirited irish; MrB; GodGunsGuts; Fichori; tpanther; Gordon Greene; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...
God speaks to us through the Bible and through His natural world. If the literal interpretation of Genesis is true then He is lying to us through his World.

Wrong. You're interpreting the physical evidence wrong because you don't know all the facts.

Who's the standard of truth here? You, who are a mere mortal with limited capacity to know and understand, or God, the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent designer and creator of the universe and who told us how He did things?

It's disingenuous and intellectually dishonest to accuse God of deceit when the problem is you.

42 posted on 10/03/2011 6:40:19 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: spirited irish; wideawake
the America of the Founding generation is firmly grounded in the Genesis account of creation, Old and New Testament morality and Christian theism, yet the original meaning and intent of U.S. law — as now controlled and defined by anti-God naturalism — has been radically changed so that it now reflects the doctrinal decrees of imperialist atheist evolutionary naturalism.

I'm going to say something that's going to be misunderstood by everyone.

Everyone on this forum knows (or should know) that I am a militant Young Earth Creationist and Genesis literalist, and I'm all for dissecting Darwinism. But what do the Founding Fathers have to do with this? Truth is truth, and it doesn't have to be filtered through America's Founding Fathers any more than it has to be filtered through the founders of Saudi Arabia or of Sri Lanka. We don't need James Madison's permission to believe in G-d.

Folks, G-d is G-d. Let's stop filtering Him through nations and civilizations and just embrace universal, objective Truth on His authority. Ultimately, the religious beliefs of the American Founders aren't important.

43 posted on 10/03/2011 6:40:39 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Rudder
Selective pressure bias from the environment: and there goes randomness. Mutation is not the sole driver of evolution, nor is randomness.

Interesting. But this also implies intelligence behind the selection, does it not? Mutation is indeed the sole driving force behind evolution. Even Creationists believe in decent with modification. We as children are modifications of our parents. However, were we to be improvements, then there would be no disease, deformities, flaws. I am simplifying this to be sure, but I hope you understand my point.

44 posted on 10/03/2011 6:40:40 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: DManA; spirited irish

“The evidence from studying the Earth testifies to its great
age.

But what is time to God? Just another of his inventions. 7 days to one observer can be 4 billion years to another observer.”

Then how can you accuse God of lying as you did in post 25?

For your consideration....

The Age of the Universe by Dr. Gerald Schroeder
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1576941/posts


45 posted on 10/03/2011 6:44:49 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: MrB

Absolutely! The ability of every organism to adapt to its enviroment is a mechanism that is already in place in its DNA. Placed there by the hands of the Creator.

Well said.


46 posted on 10/03/2011 6:45:14 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: spirited irish

The ultimate irrationality is those who affirm “Theistic Evolution” but deny “Intelligent Design.”

We are either here by accident or we are here by design.


47 posted on 10/03/2011 6:46:32 AM PDT by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: Rudder; rjsimmon
Selective pressure bias from the environment: and there goes randomness. Mutation is not the sole driver of evolution, nor is randomness.

Then you are implying, by default, purpose.

What is the source of the purpose?

48 posted on 10/03/2011 6:46:42 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DManA
Studying the natural world can help us understand his Word if we are willing to admit that our first interpretation may not be completely correct.

Yes, you have to be open to more than one "interpretation" of the evidence present in the natural world. The evolutionary interpretation is a construct based on an arbitrary assumption, ie, circular reasoning. You assume, baselessly, evolution, then extrapolate billions of years on top of that, then interpret the physical evidence through this lens, without questioning the lens first off.

The creationist interpretation IS supported by observation of the evidence, and IS based on something non-arbitrary, the Word of God.

49 posted on 10/03/2011 6:48:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: rjsimmon

I really dislike these kinds of discussions. It is obvious to me that God exists, that Jesus is the Only Begotten, Virgin-born, Son of God who died for my sins, etc.

It is also obvious to me that there was an inevitable Fall, known by God beforehand and incorporated into His plan “from the foundation of the world”. There was a Fall before Adam and Eve — that guy, what’s his name? Oh, yeah, Lucifer.

Even if you want to take the first three to six chapters of Genesis as something other than a poetic and metaphor-heavy story of creation, you still have to account for the fact that there was something anti-God loose in the cosmos prior to Eve eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Some day, I suspect that scientists will discover that every life-form that has come into existence was predestined in the first strand of DNA that was formed by the hand of God. Or maybe they will never discover it, but it is true anyway.


50 posted on 10/03/2011 6:48:33 AM PDT by old3030 (I lost some time once. It's always in the last place you look.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Actually, not everyone.


51 posted on 10/03/2011 6:48:39 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DManA
Yes. I believe that. Where there appears to be a discrepancy the fault is in our interpretation. Studying the natural world can help us understand his Word if we are willing to admit that our first interpretation may not be completely correct.

Quite so. What I believe to be the root cause of this is where secular man tries to use the Bible as a book of science, which it was never intended to be. It contains science but essentially it is a book about the relationship between God and man starting with His children Israel (Old Testament) and then how God reconciled man to Him through His son at the cross (New Testament).

52 posted on 10/03/2011 6:50:05 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: cookcounty

Go back to the basis of belief - if you want to avoid accountability to an unappealable objective Judge,

you try to factor Him out of your “reality”.


53 posted on 10/03/2011 6:50:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: metmom
Actually, not everyone.

Thank you!

54 posted on 10/03/2011 6:51:38 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: MrB
“Sin is... being out of alignment with my values.”
Barack Obama, Nov 20, 2008

Very interesting....

55 posted on 10/03/2011 6:52:39 AM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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To: metmom

God doesn’t lie. That’s why the literal interpretation of Genesis is wrong.


56 posted on 10/03/2011 6:55:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: MrB; cookcounty
Go back to the basis of belief - if you want to avoid accountability to an unappealable objective Judge, you try to factor Him out of your “reality”.

And some day, reality is that every knee will bend and every tongue confess.....

Nobody will any longer be able to plug their ears and sing, "La, la, la, la,... laaaaa..... I can't hear you....."

57 posted on 10/03/2011 6:55:51 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: old3030
I really dislike these kinds of discussions.

1 Peter 3:15 "Always be prepared to give an answer, to anyone who asks, to give a reason for the hope that you have."

Biblical apologetics should be in every Christians book of knowledge. If we do not understand our faith, then we are quick to lose it. The only thing God wants us to take on blind faith is His unwaivering devotion to those who love Him. Everything else is to be supported through the scriptures and rational, logical thought.

58 posted on 10/03/2011 6:56:12 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: stayathomemom

Defining right and wrong for ourselves since Gen 3:4-5.


59 posted on 10/03/2011 6:56:12 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Imagine through divine inspiration God gave you complete understanding of how the universe, life on Earth, and human beings came to be. But you only had the vocabulary of a bronze age shepherd. You could not have expressed that knowledge better than the author of Genesis.


60 posted on 10/03/2011 6:58:09 AM PDT by DManA
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