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Herman Cain leads GOP field in N.C.
Miami Herald ^ | 10/5/11 | Jim Morrill

Posted on 10/05/2011 4:26:40 PM PDT by justsaynomore

GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain, once the longest of long shots, is surging in polls across the country and now leads the field among N.C. Republicans.

Cain's gains have come at the expense of Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who has fallen as much as the Atlanta businessman has climbed.

Combined with the unsuccessful courtship of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, the polls suggest a GOP electorate still looking for a 2012 flag-bearer.

"Part of what these numbers demonstrate is the volatility within the Republican electorate," said Adolphus Belk, a political scientist at Rock Hill's Winthrop University. "Republicans ... haven't fallen in love with anyone yet."

As if to underscore that, Christie on Tuesday formally spurned the advances of establishment Republicans looking for another candidate.

"Now is not my time," he told reporters in Trenton. "For me the answer was never anything but no. My job here in New Jersey was always my passion."

Christie's decision appears to freeze the Republican field, at least for now, in an election season suddenly becoming squeezed.

Monday's decision by S.C. Republicans to move up their primary five weeks to Jan. 21 will push contests in Iowa and New Hampshire even earlier, to just after the holidays. All that gives any new candidate less time to raise the money and build the organization needed for success in the early states.

That leaves many Republican voters still searching.

A survey released Tuesday by Raleigh's Public Policy Polling shows Cain leading his rivals in North Carolina, Nebraska and West Virginia.

In North Carolina, the Atlanta businessman has the support of 27 percent of Republican voters. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich were next at 17 percent.

Perry, who led last month with 35 percent, had the support of 15 percent of GOP voters.

The margin of error is 4.9 percentage points for the North Carolina and Nebraska results, and 5.7 percentage points for the West Virginia survey.

The N.C. poll wasn't the only good news for Cain. A national poll by the Washington Post and ABC News this week showed that Romney leads announced GOP candidates with 25 percent, with Perry and Cain tied for second with 16 percent. That represents a 12-point rise for Cain and a 13-point drop for Perry since last month.

And another poll shows Cain narrowly trailing Romney among Florida Republicans, with Perry in fourth place behind Gingrich.

The polls were done after Cain's surprise victory Sept. 24 in Florida Republicans' presidential straw poll. And they followed debate performances and controversies that soured many conservative Republicans on Perry.

"It's not so much what Cain did but what Perry did," said Tom Jensen, director of the Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling. "Conservative voters are really souring on Perry and looking for somebody else to support."

Many Republicans, for example, dislike the fact that Perry signed a bill giving many illegal immigrants in-state tuition at Texas colleges.

"Not only has he endorsed that, but he's been bragging about it," said Bucky Sutton, a retired Rock Hill voter who has been to see Perry and Cain.

Cain, the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza, appears to be picking up much of that support.

He's popular with tea partyers and social conservatives. He prides himself on not being a politician or being politically correct. He's pushing a "9-9-9" plan to enact a 9 percent flat tax on business, a 9 percent tax on personal income and a 9 percent national sales tax.

"First, he's talking about a flat tax," said Belk, of Winthrop. "Then I think that his background as a minister helps him with social conservatives within the party. He speaks their language. And he makes a point of telling them he shares their socially conservative values."

In an opinion piece Tuesday on Fox News, Cain acknowledged his rising visibility.

"Even though the Cain Train is picking up steam ... many in the mainstream media still haven't given me a shot," he wrote. "Fortunately, more have started to take note."

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/05/2439419/herman-cain-leads-gop-field-in.html#ixzz1Zx5mC0jX


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To: Reagan Man
Make a comment about Israel here and see how many "thin-skinned" liberals show up.

I'm willing to give him a pass on his comment. It's better than Perry cozying up to La Raza.
51 posted on 10/05/2011 5:05:06 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: ilovesarah2012

The vitriol comes from the Perrybots and some of the closeted Slick Willardbots.


52 posted on 10/05/2011 5:06:34 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Reagan Man
Yeah, but he since then backed off and said several times on numerous shows that now that he learned the facts he did not think it reflected poorly on Perry. While I agree that I wish he had not to begin with, he has since stepped up to the plate and corrected the record multiple times on national shows. Has Rangel, Waters, or Rev Al?

Actually, in a devious way, playing off the "vanilla" front runners in the GOP gives him room to appeal to blacks who otherwise would never consider voting for a GOP candidate. If he puts some distance between himself and the "vanilla" republicans, that creates some room and makes it a little easier for a black democrat to cross over and support him.

BTW, if Cain could really bring anything close to the 33% black support along with him the Democratic party would be finished for good.

I am serious. They must have 85% or more or they are toast.

53 posted on 10/05/2011 5:07:05 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: La Enchiladita

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.

I will defend to the death your right to an opinion.


54 posted on 10/05/2011 5:07:30 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: justsaynomore
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55 posted on 10/05/2011 5:07:49 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Fantasywriter

Cain is another Ubama, plain and simple.
It’s sad that they can’t get away with the obsession with RACE.

Even though you are “sick of politicians,” is it really better to make a joke out of the process?

Can you, for one level-headed minute, actually picture Herman Cain as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

Please, get a grip and re-think this. Santorum, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry and Romney are all better choices.


56 posted on 10/05/2011 5:08:25 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: DTxAg

The 999 is only a stopgap measure (1-2 years) transition to repeal of the 16th and the Fair Tax.

These rates can only be changed with 2/3 majority, and since EVERYONE will be paying taxes, and no loopholes, there is the people can put huge pressure on Congress not to change anything.

Plus - no taxes on used goods.

This plan puts many more constraints on Congress than currently exists.


57 posted on 10/05/2011 5:08:33 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Ouch! No thanks. FR is a Romney free zone, pussycat. We’ve been opposing Willard for years. Wake up!

I’ll take Perry, you can have Palin. LOL


58 posted on 10/05/2011 5:08:43 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: chesty_puller

If Cain had been hunting in a place that said “honkyhead”, I would have been upset!


59 posted on 10/05/2011 5:09:31 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: justsaynomore; not2worry

I didn’t say it wasn’t a good plan. Anything that gets me paying less taxes is fine in my book. I just meant that I don’t like the prospect of having one new tax in place without the older one repealed first. Too many opportunities for Dems to screw around.


60 posted on 10/05/2011 5:12:02 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: ROTB

Are you and Herman aware that vanilla is a SPICE?

I happen to like vanilla as a flavor. Now, when it comes to politics, if Mr. Cain wants to critique other candidates -— who have more experience in governance, btw -— then he needs to do so with words and ideas, not immature cliches.


61 posted on 10/05/2011 5:12:29 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: randomhero97

The issue is race baiting by Cain.

If Perry wrongly attacks Herman, I’d give the same response.

I see you’re still a knucklehead. LOL


62 posted on 10/05/2011 5:13:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: not2worry

Are you saying I was ‘insensitive?’


63 posted on 10/05/2011 5:13:36 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Reagan Man

Oh, we’ll convince you Cain is the best candidate. Just give us a chance. LOL But I’d be okay with Perry. Not Romney, though. NEVER!


64 posted on 10/05/2011 5:13:42 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: not2worry
"IT DOES ELIMINATE THE INCOME TAX!"

NO IT DOESN'T! IT HAS A 9% INCOME TAX!

65 posted on 10/05/2011 5:14:18 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: DTxAg

That’s why he put in the 2/3 majority to change the rates.

Originally he wanted to repeal the 16th first, but after talking to economists, he adjusted it so that there would be some time to cut government spending/programs, bring the debt down, educate people so they will pressure Congress to pass HR25 (Fair Tax)


66 posted on 10/05/2011 5:15:45 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: La Enchiladita

Satan speaks!
Don’t you worry about me and THE LORD.
AND calling me a low life speaks volumes ABOUT YOU

For you benefit i will repeat my tag line (THRU HIM ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!!!!!!


67 posted on 10/05/2011 5:15:47 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Your aggressive, condescending insults have persuaded me! You have such a way w words—you should write a book about winning friends and influencing enemies. /s

Seriously, the more you insult people, the less persuasive you are. Why is this such a difficult concept for some to grasp? It’s really very basic. You catch more flies w honey than w vinegar. I know right now that you’re preparing your next fusillade of insults. Fine, bring them on. They will only weaken your case.


68 posted on 10/05/2011 5:15:59 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: chesty_puller

I believe they mean, payroll taxes. It replaces the 15% payroll taxes.


69 posted on 10/05/2011 5:17:04 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Reagan Man

Ok, I agree. He jumped to a quick conclusion without knowing all the facts. It happens. I can give one pass but if it’s a trend then I have a problem.


70 posted on 10/05/2011 5:18:47 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: justsaynomore

But how is the 2/3 super-majority enacted? Because if you pass a law or make a rule that Congress must have 2/3 super-majority to pass a tax increase, Congress could simply have a majority vote to change the law or rule, then have a majority vote to increase taxes.


71 posted on 10/05/2011 5:19:02 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: ilovesarah2012

Lost respect for Cain over that race card faux pas. But would still vote for him over .... sorry .... he ain’t gonna be the gop nominee. If he was, however ....


72 posted on 10/05/2011 5:20:13 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Fantasywriter

I did not insult you in post #56... did you read it?
What are you talking about?


73 posted on 10/05/2011 5:20:33 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: DTxAg

What keeps them from increasing taxes now?


74 posted on 10/05/2011 5:23:27 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: La Enchiladita

Herman Cain did not bring up the issue about the painted rock - the interviewers did.


75 posted on 10/05/2011 5:23:27 PM PDT by not2worry (A credible message needs a credible messenger because charisma without character is catastrophe. M)
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To: La Enchiladita

You said Cain is the equivalent of Obama—and you don’t see that as an insult? You’re first of all smearing a good man, and secondly telling me I’m too stupid not to discern an Obama-clone. You also told me I’m making a “joke” of the process. Nice put-down there. Ah, but to you, that’s what passes for well-reasoned persuasion, right?

You’re going from bad to worse. If you’re going to insult someone, at least be aware you are doing it. If you’re not even discerning enough to perceive the put-downs and smears you’re making, why should anyone believe anything you say?


76 posted on 10/05/2011 5:26:27 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Reagan Man
Cain acted no better then Jackson, Rangel, Waters or Reverand Al.

He may have taken out half of zero's black base with that, probably the ones that vote. I don't think Cain is losing conservative blacks either, granted a small voting block, and he could make the race issue null and void this election. Ramped up racial tensions is all zero's doing. Not perfect but best choice so far IMHO, and he is not a reparations type.

I will vote for that nappyheaded guy 'cause I don't like people with big ears.

77 posted on 10/05/2011 5:26:52 PM PDT by existtoexcel
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To: Tennessean4Bush

When it comes to racial issues, once the charge is made, the damage is done. It reflects badly on Cain.

Sadly, the Democrat plantation mentality is still running strong. Obama will get 90% of the black vote in 2012.


78 posted on 10/05/2011 5:27:24 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: La Enchiladita

No, I am saying your manners are lacking tonight.


79 posted on 10/05/2011 5:27:57 PM PDT by not2worry (A credible message needs a credible messenger because charisma without character is catastrophe. M)
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To: gov_bean_ counter; thouworm; Scotsman will be Free; Sun; South40; cripplecreek; indylindy; ...
Cain's surprise victory in Florida Republicans' presidential straw poll followed debate performances and controversies that soured many conservative Republicans on Perry.

"It's not so much what Cain did but what Rick Perry did," said the Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling. "Conservative voters are really souring on Perry and looking for somebody else to support."

Many Republicans dislike that Perry signed a bill giving many illegal immigrants in-state tuition. "Not only has he endorsed that, but he's been bragging about it," said a retired Rock Hill voter...........

80 posted on 10/05/2011 5:30:45 PM PDT by Liz (The rule of law must prevail. We can’t govern ourselves by our personal point of view.)
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To: justsaynomore
What keeps them from increasing taxes now?

Nothing keeps them from doing it now, except the makeup of Congress. Which means the super-majority thing is just nice PR. If the Dems retook Congress after the national sales tax passed but before anything else passed, we've now got sales and income taxes, right? What am I missing?
81 posted on 10/05/2011 5:31:01 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: justsaynomore

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“All I said was the mere fact that that word was there was ‘insensitive.’” Cain responded. “That’s not playing the race card. I am not attacking Gov. Perry. Some people in the media want to attack him. I’m done with that issue!”

Herman Cain lied. Here are Cain’s actual quotes:

1. And since Governor Perry has been going there for years to hunt, I think that shows a lack of sensitivity for a long time of not taking that word off of that rock and rename the place. It’s just a basic case of insensitivity.”

2. “For him to leave it there as long as he did before I hear that they finally painted over it is just plain insensitive to a lot of black people in this country,” Cain said.
_________________________________

Cain pulled the race card.
He attacked Perry and LIED about it, saying he didn’t.

I knew it was only a matter of time before this would would pop out in Cain.
He is no different.

.


82 posted on 10/05/2011 5:31:12 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: La Enchiladita

Doesn’t it bother anyone that he reached so far to allege that Rick Perry is a bigot,

Cain is a hero for that. We had to get rid of the liberal and Cain did it! He has my support 100 percent!!! Cain 2012!!!! Thank God for a true conservative!!!!


83 posted on 10/05/2011 5:33:29 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: patriot08

Cain has come out on Fox, Beck, Right Scoop, The View AND Hannity and has clarified that he does not think Perry is a racist.

Cain said all of 10 words expressing his opinion over this word/action/whatever. You all have written HUNDREDS of words over 3 days complaining about it.

I believed you’ve milked it to the point that no one cares anymore.


84 posted on 10/05/2011 5:36:58 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Reagan Man

The “n” word is very hurtful to some black Americans, especially older ones. The young think it’s a joke. I can understand his reaction, though he should have waited for the facts. By the way, does anyone know who “discovered” the rock and alerted the media? Seems an obscure story to suddenly bring up, don’t you think? A dirty trick maybe???


85 posted on 10/05/2011 5:37:10 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: La Enchiladita
Can you, for one level-headed minute, actually picture Herman Cain as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

YES. And will work to make that a reality.

86 posted on 10/05/2011 5:40:34 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: justsaynomore

When you pay monet from your paycheck to the government at a 9% rate, it’s called an income tax. There are no methods in his plan to get it back.


87 posted on 10/05/2011 5:40:40 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: napscoordinator
Perry seems just about as smart as a bucket of warm spit. He loses the moral high ground on at least two topics Obie is vulnerable on (crony give aways, the border). Obie is quite simply going to hand Perry his ass. We Cain do better than that.
88 posted on 10/05/2011 5:42:12 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: justsaynomore

PTL!


89 posted on 10/05/2011 5:47:36 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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To: bgill

Sadly, I don’t speak Texas. What does ‘hinky’ mean?


90 posted on 10/05/2011 5:48:01 PM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: chesty_puller

I never said it wasn’t an income tax. I said it replaces the payroll tax.


91 posted on 10/05/2011 5:49:44 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Liz; All
Herman Cain:

Born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were:

Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)
Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

■Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics.
■Master’s degree in Computer Science.
■Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
■Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
■VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury.

All achieved before reaching the age of 35.

Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers.

■Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. - Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.
■Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
■In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain.
■He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time.
■Adviser to the Federal Reserve System.
■Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank.
■Writer and public speaker.
■Radio Host.

Awards:

■Honorary Doctorate, Morehouse College, 1988
■Top 25 Black Executives, Black Enterprise, 1988
■Honorary Doctorate, Tougaloo College, 1989
■Honorary Doctorate, University of Nebraska, 1990
■Entrepreneur of the Year, 1990
■Operator of the Year/Gold Plate Award
■International Foodservice Manufacturers Association, 1991
■Honorary Doctorates, Johnson and Wales University and New York City Technical College
■Recipient of humanitarian awards, businessman of the year awards, special recognition awards, and excellence in leadership awards.

The position as Adviser to the Federal Reserve System allowed Herman Cain to learn how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.

■After reaching the top of the banking industry, Herman Cain changed careers for a fourth time.

■Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include, Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.

■ Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).
■ He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid).

When you add up his accomplishments in his life — including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking — Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century. .

92 posted on 10/05/2011 5:50:28 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: justsaynomore

OK


93 posted on 10/05/2011 5:54:05 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: sportutegrl

From the Urban Dictionary:

hinky

October 2, 2009 Urban Word of the Day

Something as yet undefinable is wrong, out of place; not quite right.

There’s something hinky about the deal.

2. hinky

A cop’s version of “I’ve a bad feeling about that”

An event or thing which is

1) Out of whack
2) Wrong
3) Off kilter

That porridge taste hinky to you?

3. hinky

the instant of knowledge when one becomes deeply aware that there is pure evil f*****y afoot.

She knew something was hinky when her husband returned from the store without his underwear...


94 posted on 10/05/2011 5:55:37 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: ilovesarah2012
IIRC, it came from a Sunday WashComPost article that “quotes” something like 27 anonymous people who are in the know. ;^)

I can appreciate distaste of the n-word. Using it to attack people especially when its wrongly employed is an outrage.

95 posted on 10/05/2011 5:58:57 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: chesty_puller

“When you pay monet”

Off topic, but do you remember Bigbooty, from Buckeroo Bonzai, and how he had to keep correcting the pronunciation of his name to ‘Bigbootay’?

That was a funny movie. My other favorite quote:

‘Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy.’


96 posted on 10/05/2011 6:11:58 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; shield; smoothsailing; Clairity
Money can't buy you love.
97 posted on 10/05/2011 6:13:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: La Enchiladita
My impression is that, although he is a smooth talker, he is shallow. I can’t help wondering about the kind of person who would jump on board and seriously consider Cain as POTUS.

Romney is a degenerate coward military service avoiding SOB from a family of military service avoiding SOB's, only dates Mormons, and will never be the nominee, so get used to it.

98 posted on 10/05/2011 6:19:59 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: La Enchiladita

“that he called both Romney and Perry “vanilla” politicians, in essence that he is race-baiting”

You may take it as race baiting. I take it as them being part of the GOP elite and that they would run the country as the “usual” do nothing politicians that we keep electing. The standard, boring vanilla cake types.


99 posted on 10/05/2011 6:54:21 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: La Enchiladita

Cain should have said: “This whole rock thing is preposterous. We should not waste one minute discussing a non-issue of that kind. Governor Perry is in no way racist. Next question, please?”

Had he done that, he would have soared even higher.


100 posted on 10/05/2011 6:57:41 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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