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Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'
reuters ^ | Oct 6, 2011 | Mark Hosenball

Posted on 10/06/2011 9:54:39 AM PDT by thouworm

"There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: awlaki; doj; killlist; nsc
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To what length will this list grow in secret? Short answer? No one will ever know?
1 posted on 10/06/2011 9:54:42 AM PDT by thouworm
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To: thouworm

What # is the Tea Party?


2 posted on 10/06/2011 9:56:06 AM PDT by cruise_missile
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To: thouworm

Be careful, they’re checking our posts right now to find their first candidate.


3 posted on 10/06/2011 9:56:38 AM PDT by struggle
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To: Nachum; LucyT; MestaMachine

Ping


4 posted on 10/06/2011 10:00:32 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
First they came for the Branch Davidians ...
5 posted on 10/06/2011 10:02:47 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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To: thouworm

Maybe I shouldn’t self report to O’s twitter site, after all.


6 posted on 10/06/2011 10:03:14 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: thouworm

Sounds like an establishment of a Star Chamber to me ! No due process and secrecy. Get on someone’s $h!tlist by p!ssing off the wrong person and get taken out !


7 posted on 10/06/2011 10:03:14 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: CORedneck

Apropos of the creeping (and creepy), sliding (degenerating) scale theory:

The panel of principals could have different memberships when considering different operational issues, they said.


8 posted on 10/06/2011 10:07:40 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm

I thought I saw a drone following me today.


9 posted on 10/06/2011 10:07:44 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: thouworm
Gosh ... since this is secret ... should some of us be asking to be removed from the other lists we have been put on? Figure those on the other (zer0) lists will wind up being on this list too.
10 posted on 10/06/2011 10:10:30 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Just had a low flying plane ... does that count?


11 posted on 10/06/2011 10:12:08 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: thouworm

Maybe the real question is ... America do you feel like you are being threatened yet?


12 posted on 10/06/2011 10:14:10 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: struggle
Be careful, they’re checking our posts right now to find their first candidate.

Dang ... now I see your post. Shucks.

13 posted on 10/06/2011 10:15:43 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: thouworm; Travis McGee; All

When it can be easily turned against us domestically...

Thats when you ask yourself again:

“What am I prepared to do about it, and what am I prepared to sacrifice to defeat it?”

For those new to my question, it is a personal gut-check, and not designed for anyone to answer it in a public forum...Keep it to yourself, it is much easier that way...


14 posted on 10/06/2011 10:18:02 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: struggle

The Star Chamber.


15 posted on 10/06/2011 10:18:25 AM PDT by DPMD (~)
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To: thouworm
And this is in the Constitution--- where?

Scary that only crazy Ron Paul is asking that?

16 posted on 10/06/2011 10:20:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (La paciencia todo lo alcanza. Solo Dios basta.)
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America is a country of laws. As I and others have suggested, we criticize Ubama for refusing to release a Justice Department legal opinion that reportedly justified killing Awlaki. ZERO is a hypocrite because the LEFT insisted on publishing Bush-era administration legal memos justifying the use of interrogation techniques that the LEFT falsely insisted were torture (water-boarding), and yet Ubama refused to make public his rationale for killing a citizen without due process.
17 posted on 10/06/2011 10:20:41 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: pyx

[ America is a country of laws. As I and others have suggested, we criticize Ubama for refusing to release a Justice Department legal opinion that reportedly justified killing Awlaki. ZERO is a hypocrite because the LEFT insisted on publishing Bush-era administration legal memos justifying the use of interrogation techniques that the LEFT falsely insisted were torture (water-boarding), and yet Ubama refused to make public his rationale for killing a citizen without due process. ]

Obama should have least gone through a “trial in abstentia” and revoked Awaki’s citizenship then nailed him.

Certain Paperwork is vitally important.


18 posted on 10/06/2011 10:32:37 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Most FReepers defended Obama on his order to asassinate a US citizen with a remote-control plane.

Idiots.


19 posted on 10/06/2011 10:33:42 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: thouworm
People better wake up. Every American that seriously believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is a prime candidate for a list, if they aren't already on one. This press release is just part of the process of acclimating the public and, more importantly, local law enforcement to accept this like its a normal and necessary function of government. They've been training local cops for a decade the we are the enemy.

MIAC Strategic Report

What do you think the Fed is going to do with all the information they collect on their critics? Fed Plotting to Monitor Critics

20 posted on 10/06/2011 10:34:57 AM PDT by Roninf5-1
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To: thouworm

Nothing much new in communists run America. America is becoming lawless.


21 posted on 10/06/2011 10:35:06 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: thouworm

The Executive Branch is operating with no checks or balances.


22 posted on 10/06/2011 10:35:51 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

23 posted on 10/06/2011 10:38:13 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Erik Latranyi

This is one of the most dangerous things a double-talking, double-dealing conscienceless tyrannical government can get into, and we’re letting them do it. It’s just nuts.


24 posted on 10/06/2011 10:38:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Aaaargh! My eyes are rolling so hard I can see my brain!)
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To: thouworm
"There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate."

Not good. File under "Things that can go bad quickly."

5.56mm

25 posted on 10/06/2011 10:40:19 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Forgotten Amendments

I’d say, Ruby Ridge was a prior.


26 posted on 10/06/2011 10:40:19 AM PDT by FritzG
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To: thouworm

And now folks will know why I questioned the sanguinity of all those supporting executive powers like this with no checks and no balances from elected officials or Article 3 courts.


27 posted on 10/06/2011 10:40:45 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (t)
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To: thouworm
Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'

It cuts both ways. :-)

28 posted on 10/06/2011 10:41:10 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Idiots.

I belive Stalin nailed it when he coined the term: Useful idiots.

L

29 posted on 10/06/2011 10:47:02 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: FritzG
I’d say, Ruby Ridge was a prior.

The Elian thing also. When the feds realized that the sheeple love brute force and fear liberty, it was all over.

I'd add the child abuse witch hunts also. They were atrocities that no one ever paid for.

30 posted on 10/06/2011 10:51:36 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Days .... Weeks ..... Months .....)
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31 posted on 10/06/2011 10:53:56 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: thouworm

The Star Chamber (Latin: Camera stellata) was an English court of law that sat at the royal Palace of Westminster until 1641. It was made up of Privy Counsellors, as well as common-law judges and supplemented the activities of the common-law and equity courts in both civil and criminal matters. The court was set up to ensure the fair enforcement of laws against prominent people, those so powerful that ordinary courts could never convict them of their crimes.

Court sessions were held in secret, with no indictments, no right of appeal, no juries, and no witnesses. Evidence was presented in writing. Over time it evolved into a political weapon, a symbol of the misuse and abuse of power by the English monarchy and courts.

In the Star Chamber the council could inflict any punishment short of death, and frequently sentenced objects of its wrath to the pillory, to whipping and to the cutting off of ears. ... With each embarrassment to arbitrary power the Star Chamber became emboldened to undertake further usurpation. ... The Star Chamber finally summoned juries before it for verdicts disagreeable to the government, and fined and imprisoned them. It spread terrorism among those who were called to do constitutional acts. It imposed ruinous fines. It became the chief defense of Charles against assaults upon those usurpations which cost him his life.


32 posted on 10/06/2011 10:55:46 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And this is in the Constitution--- where?

Scary that only crazy Ron Paul is asking that?

What's even worse is how many FReepers are all for this. I don't understand how they could be so stupid as to think that this won't be used against Conservative Americans who stand against the Leftists.

33 posted on 10/06/2011 10:57:09 AM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: thouworm
Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'


(click the pic)

"Skin that smokewagon and see what happens!"

34 posted on 10/06/2011 10:57:20 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Hi,there, TE!

That pic is from my fav scene in “Tombstone”—the “Hell’s Coming With Me” scene on the railroad platform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4&feature=related


35 posted on 10/06/2011 11:08:45 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: thouworm
and also, we make sure that we follow international law," Ruppersberger said.

OH THANK GOD, they follow international law.

So let me get this straight, Obama. The US cannot waterboard an Arab, but we can kill TWO Americans. okeedokee

36 posted on 10/06/2011 11:12:56 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: thouworm
I'm surprised there aren't cheers about this on FR! Nothing but an 'ends justify the means' justification of this for the past week on FR - the 5th Amendment be damned.

I'm so sad to see conservatives embrace this.

37 posted on 10/06/2011 11:19:09 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: thouworm
I'm surprised there aren't cheers about this on FR! Nothing but an 'ends justify the means' justification of this for the past week on FR - the 5th Amendment be damned.

I'm so sad to see conservatives embrace this.

38 posted on 10/06/2011 11:19:17 AM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: exit82
I have a hard time picking a favorite scene from Tombstone. The one I quoted from is darned good. The one you linked to is excellent. Doc and Johnny Ringo facing off in the bar speaking Latin and twirling guns and cups has got to go down as a classic movie scene. And there are so many more!

I couldn't find a pic of Kurt Russel dressing down Billy Bob. Seems like there aren't that many pics coming up in search engines anymore.

39 posted on 10/06/2011 11:25:05 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: thouworm
FWIW, when there were posts about this being wrong, there were just as many if not more comments saying "He's a terrorist, who cares!!!???

My point to those people was that if the government is sitting around deciding which citizen needs killing and who doesn't, and we allow them that power, you may be next.

So many hypocrites on both sides. Conservatives say who cares he was a terrorist, oh wait there's a secret list, that's wrong!!! Liberals decry waterboarding arabs captured on the battlefield, and then stand behind Obummer when he bombs this guy.

40 posted on 10/06/2011 11:29:17 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made out of liberals...)
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To: thouworm

BTTT


41 posted on 10/06/2011 11:32:00 AM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: teenyelliott

I thought it was wrong from the get go and still do. I was amazed and shocked at the number of people here on FR having no problem with it.


42 posted on 10/06/2011 11:41:34 AM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: Roninf5-1

“This press release is just part of the process of acclimating the public and, more importantly, local law enforcement to accept this like its a normal and necessary function of government.”

That’s the BHO Adm’s mo. Like a trial balloon, that’s what they do, on ever-increasing scales of encroachment of the Constitution and in furtherance of their Marxist totalitarian goals.


43 posted on 10/06/2011 11:42:10 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Avalon Hussar

“What’s even worse is how many FReepers are all for this. I don’t understand how they could be so stupid as to think that this won’t be used against Conservative Americans who stand against the Leftists.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The BHO Adm thrives on precedents-—preferably Bush precedents (It gives them an opportunity to ratchet up the crime/corruption to infinity.)-— but if not a Bush precedent, any precedent will do.


44 posted on 10/06/2011 12:22:46 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: thouworm
The BHO Adm thrives on precedents-—preferably Bush precedents (It gives them an opportunity to ratchet up the crime/corruption to infinity.)-— but if not a Bush precedent, any precedent will do.

I know that this administration has that MO, but the truth is that unless someone slaps some sense back into Americans in general so that they start referring back to their Constitution as a guide to what is and is not acceptable from our Government, BHO is the least of our worries.

The fact that the citizens of this Country are allowing this to happen and even cheering it on is more of a black mark against us and our National Character than anything a sitting President could do.

45 posted on 10/06/2011 12:29:31 PM PDT by Avalon Hussar
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To: struggle

I hope they don’t have my address. LOL!


46 posted on 10/06/2011 1:24:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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47 posted on 10/06/2011 6:37:48 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

bump


48 posted on 10/06/2011 6:39:44 PM PDT by ken21 (ruling class dem + rino progressives -- destroying america for 150 years.)
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Secret panel can put Americans on "kill list'

"There is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate."

Thanks, thouworm.

49 posted on 10/06/2011 6:56:33 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Mrs. Don-o; All
And this is in the Constitution--- where? Scary that only crazy Ron Paul is asking that?

Jack Hunter did a great video on this issue, quoting Justice Scalia.

50 posted on 10/06/2011 7:16:13 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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