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Who is afraid of Mitt Romney's Mormonism?
Washington Post ^ | October 7, 2011 | Michael Gerson

Posted on 10/08/2011 9:42:43 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

As a Mormon who did his missionary work in France, Mitt Romney knows something of uphill battles. Imagine spreading a faith that renounces smoking, coffee and alcohol in the cafes of Paris.

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Even without recourse to calumny, it is clear that evangelicals will not be reconciled to Mormon doctrines without ceasing to be evangelicals.

 Presidents are elected for their policy views, leadership skills and character, not their soteriology. Such theological convictions about salvation may be infinitely important, but they are politically irrelevant.

But presidential primaries are not always the best place to maintain such distinctions. In interfaith relations, it is the lack of familiarity that breeds contempt — and portions of America still view Mormonism as a threatening novelty. Among conservatives, however, this opposition is more likely to fade than build. No primary opponent of Romney's can exploit these sentiments, at least in an overt way.

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Mormons are one of the nation's strongest conservative voting blocks. A serious Republican candidate simply can't run an anti-Mormon campaign.

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..the desire for influence tends to overwhelm theological differences. If Romney looks like the likely nominee, mainstream religious conservatives are more likely to build bridges than torch them.

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.. in 2008, Mormon leaders raised their heads in support of Proposition 8 — the California initiative against gay marriage. Their commitment to the traditional family runs deep, and no issue is currently more likely to provoke liberal ire. Secular progressives will add this transgression to a history of Mormon offenses against women and minorities and raise, as usual, the specter of theocracy.

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Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman are, by most measures, the moderates in the current field.



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WTH is going on with WAPO and the mormon church? Are these mormon writers dumb enough to think that if/when Mitt is running against Obama the WAPO will continue to pimp for Mitt?

One has to wonder who/what is behind the scenes on this...and how much money.

And, who are these "mainstream religious conservatives" spoken of?

1 posted on 10/08/2011 9:42:49 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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To: greyfoxx39; P-Marlowe
I wonder if this post might have something to do with it. The writer posits that the liberals want Romney, because they can easily tear him down.
2 posted on 10/08/2011 9:48:43 AM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m not afraid of Romney’s Mormonism. I’m afraid of his insincerity and fakery.


3 posted on 10/08/2011 9:49:01 AM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: greyfoxx39

Should they ever start preaching about killing innocent Americans that’s when Mormonism will bother me.


4 posted on 10/08/2011 9:51:26 AM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m not afraid of it. It’s simply another one of the many things I don’t like about Romney, who is the only candidate who is 100% RINO. And that’s why he’s the favorite of the press.


5 posted on 10/08/2011 9:51:35 AM PDT by livius
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m more afraid of Mitt’s covert devotion to Obamaism...


6 posted on 10/08/2011 9:52:33 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: greyfoxx39
As a Mormon who did his missionary work in France, Mitt Romney knows something of uphill battles. Imagine spreading a faith that renounces smoking, coffee and alcohol in the cafes of Paris.
Wow! How tough he had!

While all those other lazy Americans were kicking back and sipping Vietnamese beer in the Iron Triangle.

7 posted on 10/08/2011 9:57:26 AM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: greyfoxx39

The only ones who will be exploiting Mitt’s mormonism is Mitt and, should he win, the dems.


8 posted on 10/08/2011 10:01:02 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Please don't be a Freeploader, help to keep the lights on.)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Mormons are one of the nation’s strongest conservative...”

Like Reid, Romney, and Huntsman??


9 posted on 10/08/2011 10:02:02 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: greyfoxx39

“Would you support a conservative Mormon that can beat a liberal in November “

Yes, but who cause Romney is no conservative. I don’t think there hasn’t been a real conservative Mormon involved in national politics since Ezra Taft Benson


10 posted on 10/08/2011 10:03:19 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: greyfoxx39

No, the WAPO will not be shilling for Mitt if/when he runs against obama. They are laying in the weeds. They are chomping at the bit to sandbag him.

What we haven’t seen yet is the weekly “Kolob” question. Those questions are being held back UNTIL Mitt is the nominee. If Mitt insists that isn’t a proper question, that will just pour gasoline on the fire until he answers it, which will generate still more questions about what most of the country would consider bizarre doctrines.

If/when Mitt becomes the nominee, those will be the only questions that monopolize the news cycles. The degree of meanness over these questions will know no bounds.

THAT and that alone is the fear over Mitt’s Mormonism. He is capable of governing OK, more or less conservatively; but he is the ONLY candidate on the Republican side who could NOT defeat obama (for the “Kolob problem” stated above). Note: R Paul is NOT a Republican.


11 posted on 10/08/2011 10:04:09 AM PDT by Migraine
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To: South40
“Should they ever start preaching about killing innocent Americans that’s when Mormonism will bother me.”

Mountain Meadow ?

12 posted on 10/08/2011 10:05:08 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: greyfoxx39

Of all the issues I have with Romney and all the reasons why I hope he isn’t the Republican nominee his Mormon faith isn’t even on the list.


13 posted on 10/08/2011 10:11:19 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m afraid of his liberalism not his Mormonism.

However the sleaze has sent out flyers attacking conservatives and conservative positives so I really could care less if his faith hurts him. He hasn’t acted with integrity in this campaign cycle so let people use whatever they want against him.

And no, mormons are not Christians. Nice people many of them and spirtual and happy to be political allies...but Jews, Christians and Mormons have separate positions on Faith.


14 posted on 10/08/2011 10:11:57 AM PDT by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: Beagle8U
Mountain Meadow -- really? 150+ years ago?

Using that 'logic' I should be holding a grudge against the northern states because of the Civil War, which I don't.

Can you cite anything more recent wherein Mormonism preaches the killing of innocents?

15 posted on 10/08/2011 10:12:49 AM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: greyfoxx39
I am afraid of his mormonism.

How am I supposed to trust someone of such poor judgement to distinguish truth from lies and lead our country properly?

Not politically irrelevant at all.

And then his supposed conservative credentials are severely in question on top of that.

Horrible candidate.

Horrible.

16 posted on 10/08/2011 10:13:53 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: greyfoxx39

I think Mitt’s Mormonism, together with other things about him, make him unelectable.

The Mormon thing is interesting. Before the convention, the MSM will use it to claim anyone AGAINST Mitt is a religious bigot.

The day the convention ends, a nine week MSM course in LDS theology, practice, and customs will begin.


17 posted on 10/08/2011 10:14:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: greyfoxx39
One has to wonder who/what is behind the scenes on this...and how much money.

This is how the leftists in the media and liberal Republicans innoculate Romney against Cain, Perry, Gingrich, etc.

You see, when the next attack is launched against Romney by one of the other candidates, it will be because he is Mormon, not because of the issues.

Make no mistake, folks.......the left wants Romney bad because they know he will not turn back as much of liberalism as the others will turn back.

18 posted on 10/08/2011 10:16:52 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Migraine
What we haven’t seen yet is the weekly “Kolob” question. Those questions are being held back UNTIL Mitt is the nominee. If Mitt insists that isn’t a proper question, that will just pour gasoline on the fire until he answers it, which will generate still more questions about what most of the country would consider bizarre doctrines.

"If/when Mitt becomes the nominee, those will be the only questions that monopolize the news cycles. The degree of meanness over these questions will know no bounds.

/ THAT and that alone is the fear over Mitt’s Mormonism. He is capable of governing OK, more or less conservatively; but he is the ONLY candidate on the Republican side who could NOT defeat obama (for the “Kolob problem” stated above). Note: R Paul is NOT a Republican.

Good post. One has to wonder if Mitt's mind is so affected by his belief in mormon men becoming gods, not to mention the mormons who will vote in lockstep because of his mormonism that they can't see what is plainly in store from the media should he be the nominee,

I posted on another thread my opinion that conservatives are so disillusioned by the travesty of the '08 election that they want nothing to do with anyone who is a reminder of the incompetence that allowed Obama to now reside in the WH. Romney is a glaring reminder of that travesty.

19 posted on 10/08/2011 10:19:29 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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To: freespirited

Romney doesn’t “look comfortable in his own skin,” IMO.


20 posted on 10/08/2011 10:22:53 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
This is how the leftists in the media and liberal Republicans innoculate Romney against Cain, Perry, Gingrich, etc.

...and, to their discredit the other candidates will buy into this ploy by, as we have seen, jumping on the bandwagon blaming Perry for someone else's comment.

21 posted on 10/08/2011 10:25:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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Can you cite anything more recent wherein Mormonism preaches the killing of innocents?

How about the oaths in their secret temple ceremonies? The blood oaths that Romney took are secret, but they called for the slitting of throats and ripping out of bowels and stuff like that to people who dared to reveal the secrets contained in their temple rituals.

Frankly this is kinda like Black Sabbath stuff.

I think they may have modified the ceremony but when Romney took it he swore blood oaths and I assume he meant what he swore to. After all he was swearing to god (small g intended).

The problem for Romney though is if he gets the nomination all the racist crap that the Mormon Church taught for 140 years will come out and since he is running against a Black man, it will sink his candidacy. If Romney gets the nomination Obama will get re-elected. He is the only candidate in the field who can't defeat Obama.

I'm not so worried about his politics as his religion. His religion will be an albatross around the necks of all Republicans if he gets the nomination.

22 posted on 10/08/2011 10:25:40 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Romney’s problem is his liberalism, not his Mormonism.


23 posted on 10/08/2011 10:25:53 AM PDT by Redcloak (Sans Couth)
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To: P-Marlowe
His religion will be an albatross around the necks of all Republicans if he gets the nomination.

Well said.

24 posted on 10/08/2011 10:28:13 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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To: P-Marlowe
Secret oaths? Really? lol!

Mormonism doesn't bother me. Liberalism and the black liberation theology Obama subscribes to bother me.

25 posted on 10/08/2011 10:31:22 AM PDT by South40 (I will vote for Perry if he's the last man standing against Romney. ~ Jim Robinson 10/5/2011)
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To: greyfoxx39

No one ever seems to comment about Harry Reid’s Mormonism.


26 posted on 10/08/2011 10:31:44 AM PDT by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: South40
I couldn't care less about his religion, other than the fact that it is IMO silly. ( Magic underwear??)

I don't like him because he is a worthless abortion supportin’, queer agenda pushin’, gun grabbin’ big government, liberal bastard.

29 posted on 10/08/2011 10:32:16 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: greyfoxx39
I think we really need to start pounding into the minds of voters just how weird a religion the LDS Church is. If we don't do it before the Primaries end, then the MSM is going to do it if and when Romney gets the nomination. We need to post all those racist comments from the LDS Prophets who claimed that black skin was a curse from God and that black people were not worthy to hold the priesthood.

This stuff went on until 1978 and they only changed because they built a Temple in Brazil and could not tell who were the Lamanites who were cursed with dark skin because of the deeds of the followers of Laman and who were the black people who were cursed with dark skin because of their misdeeds in the pre-existence.

Mormonism has always taught and still does teach that dark skin is a curse from God. That will not play well when running against a black man.

If we don't do it, the MSM will. But when the MSM does it, then it will be too late.

30 posted on 10/08/2011 10:41:34 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: greyfoxx39

I’m sure as H worried about Bambi’s Islamism, Muslimism, Jihadism...Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism, Totalitarianism. OK?


31 posted on 10/08/2011 10:48:17 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: greyfoxx39

I could care less about his Mormonism. He is a flip-flopper who is hostile towards the Second Amendment, and that alone means I’ll never support him.


32 posted on 10/08/2011 10:48:43 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: P-Marlowe
If we don't do it, the MSM will. But when the MSM does it, then it will be too late.

IMO, if Romney actually cared about this country he would drop out of the race and put his money to work helping candidates who could actually win. I see his continuing this hopeless quest as pure selfishness!

33 posted on 10/08/2011 10:52:51 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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To: greyfoxx39

Me. I am. I am afraid of anything in the spiritual world not part under Jesus’ spiritual canopy.


34 posted on 10/08/2011 10:55:22 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: P-Marlowe
I'm not so worried about his politics as his religion. His religion will be an albatross around the necks of all Republicans if he gets the nomination.

Actually, that's an interesting point. I think he is a despicable RINO and the only 100% RINO in the race. There are others who have one or another position with which people disaagree, but they are not 100% RINOS. The only one who is getting a pass is Cain, who has never had to explain his support for Romney, his pro-life stance, or, in fact anything other than his economic ideas. But that's not important here.

I think you have made an interesting point I hadn't thought of before. Remember that Mormonism was actually a Jonestown-like cult that came in and took over towns, sometimes got run out and sometimes struck back violently, killed its enemies, and finally was subdued by a combination of the US cavalry and the fact that Utah could not become a state until the Mormons renounced some of their practices, such as polygamy.

This is not a history any US president should be part of, any more than we should have a Muslim Marxist president now. Some people here think that the press is going to attack Romney for being a Mormon, but they won't - they'll defend him for it, and then the GOP will feel compelled to nominate him because otherwise they'll be discriminating. And at that point the press will abandon him, and remind us that Mormons had an anti-black provision written into their religion, etc., etc.

He's never going to be elected president, but the left definitely wants to stick us with him as the candidate, and then, as you say, we will have to defend his Mormonism.

35 posted on 10/08/2011 10:56:50 AM PDT by livius
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To: freespirited
I’m not afraid of Romney’s Mormonism. I’m afraid of his insincerity and fakery.

And his liberalism.

I'd have no trouble pulling the lever for a conservative Mormon.
36 posted on 10/08/2011 10:57:06 AM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Willard’s mormonism a problem?

Nah!

No one has problems taking a candidate seriously who:

... Wears magic underwear everywhere he campaigns
... Believes he will not only be president, but become a mormon god with his own planet
... Believes there are millions or billions of gods who get together for meetings at Kolob Beach over Spring Break
... Believes there is not only a Heavenly Father god, but a Heavenly Mother god who have SEX ETERNALLY to create people
... Believes polygamy continues throughout eternity with multiple breeding gods
... Believes your Christian church is false - heck, all are false
... Believes Jesus Christ was a created being who later became one of millions or billions of gods

Nah, no one would mind that kind of New Age Hinduistic belief in their candidate.

I think it’s overblown.


37 posted on 10/08/2011 11:01:54 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (You know, 99.99999965% of the lawyers give all of them a bad name)
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To: greyfoxx39
"Who is afraid of Mitt Romney's Mormonism?"

Well, the WaPo, for starters.

38 posted on 10/08/2011 11:03:44 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: greyfoxx39

If the Church of “G-d Damn America” and black liberation theology didn’t keep a muslim like Obama from getting into the White House, Romney’s mormonism sure won’t keep Romney out.

Romney, a filthy RINO, needs to be taken out, but addressing his religion won’t do it.


39 posted on 10/08/2011 11:05:47 AM PDT by Gator113 (I don't suport any of them....)
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To: freespirited

I’m afraid of the statism and liberalism.


40 posted on 10/08/2011 11:07:13 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: greyfoxx39

I won’t vote *against* a Mormon. But I would vote *for* a Christian if the choice were that clear.


41 posted on 10/08/2011 11:09:52 AM PDT by hocndoc (http://WingRight.org Have mustard seed: will use it. To control the border, Patrol the border!)
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If the Church of “G-d Damn America” and black liberation theology didn’t keep a muslim like Obama from getting into the White House, Romney’s mormonism sure won’t keep Romney out.

Do you honestly believe that the media will give a pass to Romney like the one they gave to Obama? They will jump on everything about the Republican nominee and then loudly proclaim they are doing their job in vetting the candidates. SHEESH!

42 posted on 10/08/2011 11:12:42 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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To: MizSterious

I’m more afraid of his communism than his Mormonism....


43 posted on 10/08/2011 11:25:00 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: lonestar

Lay off the guy....

He’s molting....


44 posted on 10/08/2011 11:26:02 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: greyfoxx39

Unless he plans on Proselytizing Mormonism from the Oval Ofice, then his religion is Not important to me one bit. Its his Proselytizing his belief in man-made Global Warming that I find troublesome.


45 posted on 10/08/2011 11:35:52 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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Romney is a suede-shoe liberal phoney. I wouldn’t vote for him under any circumstances. Besides, how can you trust someone who isn’t allowed to drink a beer? Heck, even that phoney prophet Joe Smith made and sold beer from his home. I don’t trust phonies.


46 posted on 10/08/2011 11:45:55 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: Redcloak

“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Romney’s problem is his liberalism, not his Mormonism.”

Hear, hear.

Religious tests for office are forbidden in the constitution. That founding principle limiting the federal government should give us pause when we are considering how the religious beliefs of a candidate will affect the way they govern.

Consider also that many of the critisisms being leveled ar Mormons by the “my Jesus is better than your Jesus” crowd sound very much like the arguements non-believers use to dismiss Christianity as a whole.


47 posted on 10/08/2011 11:51:19 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: greyfoxx39
Did anybody see the weird interview last night on O'Reilly with the guy with three "wives" and 24 children?

They claim to be "independent fundamentalist Mormons" who are selling a book about their lives.

The guy claims to be a fifth-generation polygamist, as do his wives. All they are asking for is to have polygamy decriminalized. They don't want polygamy legalized, just decriminalized (yeah, right).

O'Reilly asked how the guy would stay out of jail, and he said "by staying quiet about their lifestyle." The guy said that he didn't want to stay quiet anymore, that he just wanted to be left alone to live his life "according to his faith."

O'Reilly was trying to compare them to the creeping activism of gay marriage, but these people were stopping just short of that.

My first take-aways were from the interview were:

1. The timing was suspicious. They published a thick book about their lifestyle. It takes a significant investment from a publisher to put out a book like that. It seems to me that the purpose of a liberal publisher putting out a book like that now is to make Romney seem scary to people, via association with these people through Mormonism.

2. Four adults with 24 children? That sounds like the makings of a tribe, a clan. That's how the sheikdoms in the middle-east were formed. Do we really want to see American civil order degenerate into private tribal enclaves?

-PJ

48 posted on 10/08/2011 11:53:06 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I don’t give a crap if he’s Zorastoran. What bothers me is that he’s a liberal.


49 posted on 10/08/2011 11:56:17 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: NavyCanDo
Unless he plans on Proselytizing Mormonism from the Oval Ofice, then his religion is Not important to me one bit.

The Law of Consecration Oath Mitt Romney has sworn in the Mormon temple: "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the law of consecration as contained in this, the book of Doctrine and Covenants [he displays the book], in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and EVERYTHING with which the Lord has blessed you, or WITH which he MAY bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion." Source: What is an LDS Church/Mormon temple marriage/sealing? [Q: Please define 'Zion': The LDS PR Web site (lds.org) defines its primary meaning: "membership in the [LDS] church.

The LDS Temple Endowment


50 posted on 10/08/2011 12:14:12 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Joseph Smith, America’s first Comic Book author. He Produced the Adventures of Nephi-Mormon-Moroni)
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