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Alabama: Inmates can replace Hispanic farmhands
Politico ^ | October 8, 2011 | MACKENZIE WEINGER

Posted on 10/09/2011 1:24:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Alabama farmers frantically looking for workers to replace those that have fled the state in the wake of its tough new immigration law should just stop by their local prison, according to the head of Alabama’s agriculture department.

John McMillan, commissioner of the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, told the Montgomery Advertiser on Thursday that inmate labor through the state’s work-release program offers a short-term solution to the sudden labor shortage that has hit Alabama since enforcement of its illegal immigration law kicked in.

Some farmers have said the state’s new law has driven away Hispanic migrant farm workers — and without another potential labor source, they say produce may have to be left to rot in the fields.

“We are optimistic that by Monday, we will have some help for farmers,” McMillan said.

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All you have to do is offer inmates a way to make extra cash for when they are released: the money they make is put into a trust.

Then you start a program to educate inmates into farm management so that when they get out: they can get hired, or start their own farm.

People, we can turn a negative into a positive. Innovate.


51 posted on 10/09/2011 6:37:24 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Bravo, Alabama! Instead of letting scum lift weights, convert to Islam, or watch TV, make them work instead.
52 posted on 10/09/2011 6:58:02 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

If there’s not enough prison labor to meet the farmer’s needs, maybe Alabama could pass a law making currently legal activity illegal. That way more people could be imprisoned... adding more people to help pick the crops without pay.

Reminds me of a scene I show in a movie once.

(And for the record, I don’t really care one way or the other about Alabama’s immigration law. I, however, think Alabama’s statement to their farmers regarding the use of prison labor to be very dangerous.)


?????: The standard SS rate for Jewish skilled labor is seven marks a day, five for unskilled and women. This is what you pay the Reich Economic Office, the Jews themselves receive nothing. Poles you pay wages. Generally, they get a little more. Are you listening? … The Jewish worker’s salary – you pay it directly to the SS, not to the worker. He gets nothing.

?????????: But it’s less. It’s less than what I would pay a Pole … that’s the point I’m trying to make. Poles cost more. Why should I hire Poles?


53 posted on 10/09/2011 6:59:50 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Salvavida

Are you a farmer?


54 posted on 10/09/2011 7:02:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Molon Labbie
Ever occur to you that prison labor is essentially free labor... and no one can compete with free labor.

And when the supply runs low, the government can make more by passing more and more restrictive laws.

55 posted on 10/09/2011 7:03:11 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How about working in the fields, pick up trash, clean the parks, etc. to get your Medicaid / welfare check? I know, it’s soooo cold hearted to expect people to work for their free money...


56 posted on 10/09/2011 7:08:23 AM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King

I wonder when the Democratic Party will tell the unemployed — no more money for your unemployment checks but I have some work for you?


57 posted on 10/09/2011 7:12:16 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I have long been an advocate for putting non-violent inmates to work. Take half to pay for their room and board and the other half is theirs.

It encourages them to make a living and earn money for their own benefit.

Also, when they get out of prison, they have enough money to buy a car, pay rent, whatever until they are able to get their life back on track.

Currently they get out, have no money and a gap in their resumes that will be difficult to overcome so they go back to the life they had before, they really have no choice.


58 posted on 10/09/2011 7:14:20 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Salvavida
Are you a farmer?

Are you saying you're a farmer and can't survive without ILLEGAL labor? I see you're on FR quite a bit, wouldn't your time be better spent helping on the farm? LOL

There are LEGAL programs where you can hire out of country labor, ever tried checking into those?

59 posted on 10/09/2011 7:26:45 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

No I am not a farmer but I understand farming.

Maybe you should ask farmers before you go telling them that they must use criminals for their workers.

The Feds have royally screwed this up.

Do you believe all people who work in farming are illegals?


60 posted on 10/09/2011 7:31:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: eyedigress

Thanks, eyedigress! Makes sense to me... it is work and you can get out early or be lazy and do the full time. I personally don’t have any problem with using the prison/jail population to clean roads, parks, etc... IMHO, it is “paying” society back for the wrongdoing and “earning” your keep (for the prison medical system, food, etc).


61 posted on 10/09/2011 7:36:50 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You understand farming? You're talking to a farm girl.

Maybe you should ask farmers before you go telling them that they must use criminals for their workers.

lol, Illegals are criminals!!

I'd prefer to hire AMERICAN criminals rather than criminals from another country. Support America!! (and only non-violent criminals)

62 posted on 10/09/2011 7:49:31 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: glorgau

***Some things never change, Alabama plantations can’t seem to work without slave labor.****

And Arkansas’ Prison farms are doing just fine.


63 posted on 10/09/2011 7:50:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS & PAINTINGS)
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To: ozarkgirl

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.


64 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
You obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

Says the one who doesn't live in a farming community to the one who does! lol

I'm almost ready to spill the beans and tell what I do for a living. It doesn't require any illegal activity like those who hire people from another country who are not legal to work in the US.

65 posted on 10/09/2011 7:57:53 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: Undecided 2012

That woman guard was killed, because a co-worker got stupid. That co-worker was withing 50 feet of a inmate with a gun. (Which is against the rules.) The inmate got the gun and shot the female guard.


66 posted on 10/09/2011 7:59:16 AM PDT by ktw (72 ID, 536 HHC, Finally Retired after 23 years!)
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To: Moonman62
Keep in mind not all produce can be picked with automation.
Where there's a will, there's a way.

While there are probably some, I am constantly, but shouldn't be, amazed at the ingenuity of the human mind.

I lived in Stockton, Calif, in the late '60s when farm labor went out on strike at the height of the season. In one area, the desperate farmers were welding blades to their tractors to cut/harvest asparagus. Problem was, the blades cut immature as well as ripe stalks. Enter the geniuses at UC Davis. In THREE WEEKS they came up with a cutting device that used feelers to cut only plants at a certain height.

In the '70s I met an inventor who had over a dozen patents in food processing (he invented the machine to de-segment those canned Mandarin orange slices). He showed me a machine he had just patented that would DE-STEM strawberries without injuring them. Couldn't sell the machine to anybody as Mexican labor was cheaper (they'd tell the mothers if they wanted a job, they had to bring in their children and relatives to work for free).

Cheap labor stifles innovation. Unleash that American genius for innovation and a lot of this "labor shortage" will evaporate.

67 posted on 10/09/2011 8:20:19 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
fYI there is another article in the Bham news the same day about an organization, Grow Alabama, who has pages of people who want these picking jobs. Transportation to the farms is a problem for lots of people, but there are those trying to work this out.

the article you sight also points out that using the work release prisoners is a temporary solution for crops that are ready now. It sounds to me like groups of people working on solutions during this transitional time.

68 posted on 10/09/2011 8:44:49 AM PDT by kcat
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To: fieldmarshaldj
La Raza Rick supporters like you don’t want illegals to go home.

Don't you ever get tired of posting that crap?

69 posted on 10/09/2011 9:26:43 AM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: ozarkgirl

I’ve worked in enough embassies overseas (specifically latin America) to know about the legal programs.

I merely suggest an innovative way of solving the labor issue, and the public safety problems. It wouldn’t be that difficult to put together a program such as I described.

Blessings.


70 posted on 10/09/2011 10:46:46 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: momtothree

Remember when the left went nuts because of Sheriff Joe’s female chain-gangs..................They were getting 2 for 1 and it was all voluntary. The left is a bunch of idiots.


71 posted on 10/09/2011 11:17:58 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: gogogodzilla

Nazi reference ? Seriously ? Ever since Perry went into freefall, you bots have completely flipped your wigs.


72 posted on 10/09/2011 6:14:47 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Don’t you get tired of shilling for that crap candidate ?


73 posted on 10/09/2011 6:22:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: animal172
"The interesting thing to me is that the farmers can’t find replacement workers even if they pay above minimum wage."

Interesting, but true. There are many reasons, some of which I don't know either. But, what I do know is that parents don't encourage teenagers to work anymore. It is beneath them. The parents will buy them a car and put gas in it and provide them with anything else they want -- it is not a matter of need.

Another factor here in the south is the weather. It is oppressively hot and humid for 8 or 9 months a year. Personally, I enjoy being outside regardless of the weather, but I am unusual in that regard. There is just too much comfort in air conditioning these days.

Another reason is welfare and disability payments. Why work an honest day of labor when you can sit at home or on a stool in front of a slot machine at the truck stop? In our area, this is a BIG cause of labor shortages. Too Many folks willing to live a substandard life just so that they won't have to work.

We will pay people up to $12/hour cash money for farm labor, depending on what you know and what you can do. We never pay less than $8/hour. We will provide you with transportation to and from work at our expense and feed you a good lunch if you have no way to get fed on your own.

In NE Louisiana, these are good wages that will support a modest lifestyle, and a good lifestyle if there is more than one income.

There are few takers.

74 posted on 10/09/2011 6:29:56 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Undecided 2012
"a couple yrs ago while driving 45 thru Huntsville,Tx, I pointed out to my son what was happening in plain sight. It really looked like slavery 200 yrs ago. There were a few overseerers (guards) on horseback with guns and numerous prisoners outside the fence but still on state land, I think they were either picking their own crops or weeding the garden."

Would you rather that they be inside lifting weights and watching cable, or working to grow their own food or grow food that will be sold to help pay the prison expenses?

Yes, it is in plain sight because there isn't a damn thing wrong with it. Perhaps another thug will see the work detail and decide that it is not for him.

I hope your son saw it for the good it was.

75 posted on 10/09/2011 7:00:03 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen.


76 posted on 10/09/2011 7:01:04 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Niuhuru

In Georgia, there are factories and other shops inside the prisons. One makes eyeglasses for inmates statewide and another makes the mattresses that all prisons use. There is also a furniture making shop, but I forget where that is used.


77 posted on 10/09/2011 7:03:18 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: GenXteacher

“Taking it off here, Boss.”


78 posted on 10/09/2011 7:03:59 PM PDT by dfwgator
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Why not offer college tuition credits for farm labor?


79 posted on 10/09/2011 7:06:53 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Salvavida

As a factory foreman, 95% of my painters were convicts working out of a halfway house.

I knew they would be at work every day on time and I always knew they would take as much overtime as I could dump on them. I never had any problem with any of them except for one who was a petty con man who was always looking for a new scam.


80 posted on 10/09/2011 7:15:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (ALCS/NLCS playoff thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2789907/posts)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
Don’t you get tired of shilling for that crap candidate ?

Actually I'm not "shilling" for any candidate. It just seems like you post the same old anti-perry crap on every thread.

Don't you have something better to do?

81 posted on 10/09/2011 7:21:00 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Who is your candidate ?


82 posted on 10/09/2011 7:32:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: cripplecreek

I definately think Alabama is on to something. I could also see some faith groups get involved in the process to help remake the lives of inmates. Of course, it wouldn’t be for everyone.


83 posted on 10/09/2011 7:36:30 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: cripplecreek

http://www.gci-ga.com/
Georgia Correctional Industries.
The prison system in Georgia Grows their own food, produces their own milk and eggs. GCI is a heck of an operation.


84 posted on 10/09/2011 7:56:34 PM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon (EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Having prisoners work in the fields is a wonderful idea. They need to earn their keep instead of taxpayers supporting them so I applaud Alabama for doing this.

Why should prisoners sit on their behinds and watch television when they can be doing productive work.

Way to go, Alabama! You are doing great!!


85 posted on 10/09/2011 8:34:42 PM PDT by JessicaM
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Bingo. You win the prize by spelling out exactly what the problem is. It's always been about two of them from what I've seen. Folks today don't know what a days pay for a days work means anymore. We should graduate from school and right from the start get a job making in the high five or low six figure salary plus unsustainable benefits. The second reason is what I saw for 30 years as a police officer. Why work when the government will pay you to stay home and do nothing? I demand my welfare and you are going to give it to me with no strings attached. I fear we are finished and will never again be the nation we once were.
86 posted on 10/09/2011 9:08:16 PM PDT by animal172 (Please Lord. Come get the liberals.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Since you cannot understand the deeper meaning of the
post, I’ll explain it to you. (sigh... expecting more than superficial understanding; what was I thinking)

Prison labor is essentially free labor... and no one can compete with free labor. Furthermore, now that the door have been opened, no farmer can compete with those that use the free labor, so in order to stay in business, all the Alabama farmers will have to switch. Which will lead to a shortage of prisoners. That will then tempt Alabama to increase their number of prisoners... by legislating new criminal laws.

You come across as having no problem with that. I do.

(note: I think illegal immigration is bad for farmers as it is very similar to the above situation... and the cheap labor retards the development of farming automation. That said, you don’t seem to see that prison labor is an even more extreme version of what was existing with the illegals.)


87 posted on 10/09/2011 9:52:00 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

$12/hour with food and transportation included? And there are no takers in this economy?!?

That’s a pretty good deal, to be honest. As a high schooler or college student, I would’ve taken it.

(But then, I worked at a chicken farm during the summers at college)


88 posted on 10/09/2011 9:57:36 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

Hey, bro, you were the first to throw out the Nazi reference. You know what that usually means with internet “arguments.” I think you’d be hard-pressed to find folks around here agitating for more criminal laws to increase the supply of inmate labor. I’m personally not sold on “supplying” inmates for private-sector labor. If they are to be utilized, let it be for such activities as roadwork, highway beautification, et al. Work that the state is responsible for.


89 posted on 10/09/2011 10:15:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: ozarkgirl

This will be fine and dandy until one of those criminals harms someone while out. Not only that what kind of protections are in place for the farmers if one of the state prisoners gets hurt? Will there be some kind of protection put in place for these private citizens?


90 posted on 10/09/2011 10:24:38 PM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: CajunConservative

Go back and read the post....

I wrote non-violent prisoners.

There was a chicken plant not far from here who hired prisoners from a correctional facility, they were given the same wage as someone off the street, had to pay half back to the prison for room and board and got to keep the rest in an account for when they got out, then they had enough money to make a new start on life.

As opposed to hiring illegals who may have been violent criminals, no one knows. They could be pedaphiles for all we know. But one thing we do know, they are criminals as well - better to have an American criminal with a registered past (i.e. drugs) than an illegal who could be anything.

More people have been killed by illegals in this country than killed in Iraq and you’re worried about American prisoners??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1793891/posts


91 posted on 10/09/2011 10:39:30 PM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: fieldmarshaldj

And that’s what they should be used for.


I had hoped that you’d see in the quote where the businessman was paying the state cut-rate prices for forced prison-labor, driving the locals out of work. And see how that will be the exact same situation once prison labor is used in Alabama.

Add onto that just how easy it is for a government to criminalize more people to meet the industry demand. (what’s more extreme that declaring an entire people illegal?)


92 posted on 10/10/2011 2:18:57 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla
"And there are no takers in this economy?!?"

Oh, we'll find one here and there ... especially if they need some quick bucks, but they never last. 2 weeks ago we hired a man who got his first payday Friday and hasn't come out of the house for his morning ride ever since. He borrowed money from my son almost every day that he did show up.

93 posted on 10/10/2011 4:20:25 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Chunga
If you are not in one and do not fully understand them i agree unions do suck. But if one takes the time to investigate the various unions in this country one would find all are not the same. What really sucks is people that do not understand why unions are necessary.
94 posted on 10/15/2011 8:12:26 PM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: Plumberman27
What really sucks is people that do not understand why unions are necessary.

Screw unions! Union goons are helping to occupy Wall Street and every other "occupy" center in America.

Freepers have been attacked by union reps during protests in Washington. Unions are of the left...they are politically liberal...they're at the beck and call of Democrats whenever they need thugs...and they squeeze capital. Screw 'em!

95 posted on 10/15/2011 11:20:09 PM PDT by Chunga ("Woo hoo!! Palin/West 2012. Unbeatable!!" - Jim Robinson)
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To: Chunga
Well that was intelligent. With comments like that i guess you feel better. To each his own and i belong to a union but i doubt you would understand unions since the union i belong to does not regulate your top pay only the minimum scale of pay. Most people are ignorant when it comes to how people that are in a union are paid and who pays our benefits. They just hear union and say no. If it was not for unions the masses would be making two dollars and hour and working seven days a week just like in Mexico or India or any other third world country. Try living in China for a while on seven cents a day. Come back and tell me how bad unions are.
96 posted on 11/05/2011 4:07:23 AM PDT by Plumberman27
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To: Plumberman27; Admin Moderator
If it was not for unions the masses would be making two dollars and hour and working seven days a week just like in Mexico or India or any other third world country.

Unions suck.

Try living in China for a while on seven cents a day. Come back and tell me how bad unions are.

Unions suck.

(Did you read that unions are in solidarity with the Occupy movements across the country? You're advocating for these assholes on Free Republic. Just thought I'd let you know.)

97 posted on 11/06/2011 12:55:56 PM PST by Chunga (What a load of codswallop!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And that has nothing to do with how cheap Mexican labor has kept some areas of agriculture from automating.


98 posted on 11/06/2011 1:33:53 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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