Skip to comments.Alabama: Inmates can replace Hispanic farmhands
Posted on 10/09/2011 1:24:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Alabama farmers frantically looking for workers to replace those that have fled the state in the wake of its tough new immigration law should just stop by their local prison, according to the head of Alabamas agriculture department.
John McMillan, commissioner of the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries, told the Montgomery Advertiser on Thursday that inmate labor through the states work-release program offers a short-term solution to the sudden labor shortage that has hit Alabama since enforcement of its illegal immigration law kicked in.
Some farmers have said the states new law has driven away Hispanic migrant farm workers and without another potential labor source, they say produce may have to be left to rot in the fields.
We are optimistic that by Monday, we will have some help for farmers, McMillan said.
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Some things never change, Alabama plantations can’t seem to work without slave labor.
Imagine that. The use of illegal labor hinders automation.
Why not hire little kids? Let them stuff thier faces with berries and pay them a dollar per gallon of berries harvested. Heck turn it into a festival of sorts, yearly.
Keep in mind not all produce can be picked with automation. On another note: if people are looking for work here is a great place for them to work, Might be a good place to get a job, start a union be represented by a lobby and make a few bucks until you retire.
Does anyone else think this can lead to all sorts of negative repurcussions?
(Perhaps if there isn’t enough prison labor to meet demand, the legislature can pass new laws making even more things/actions illegal. That way the police can imprison even more people.)
Where there's a will, there's a way. For instance, citrus growers use tree shakers when slave labor isn't available. Grapes can be grown on special trellises that allow automation. I'm sure big cotton never thought there would be automation either (not that I'm comparing you to Big Cotton).
Did you see the program recently on all the regulations placed on farmers? They're cripplingly expensive and there are 1000s more lined up in the Obama adm pipeline.
Remember the man who asked Obama about it and he told him to call the Agriculture Dept (?) and all he got was passed around?
And that's just farmers.
Start a union?
The sooner Obama is out of office, the better.
Yes there will be repercussions.
Things just aren’t black and white as people who do not govern would like them to be or believe them to be.
The interesting thing to me is that the farmers can’t find replacement workers even if they pay above minimum wage. What have we been told over and over again about “jobs Americans won’t do”? How about all those on welfare and not working? They should be mandated to take jobs like these in order to keep their benefits. Start rebuilding the work ethic. I’m sure the courts have already ruled that you can make work mandatory in order to receive welfare benefits.
With HUGE coat tails bringing conservatives into power nationally and locally.
Tennessee used inmates all over the state in the 1800’s for mining and agriculture.
Your choice. Rot in a 6X8 or work outside.
You are very prolific this morning. Good Work!
Lack of prison labor....LOL?
This is Alabama were talking about. That was a joke...right?
Oh noes ! Big bad Alabama is being mean to illegals by telling them to go home ! No wonder you La Raza Rick supporters are throwing a tantrum.
La Raza Rick supporters like you don’t want illegals to go home. You want them to just keep on coming and overrunning our country. Why ?
Won’t work in the field? Can’t draw unemployment. Problem solved.
We need to do away with jail sentences tied to the amount of time to be spent in jail - with the sole exception for capital crimes.
Instead, all sentences should be “fines” of various amount based on the offense. Here’s an example: suppose you’re convicted of armed robbery. You should be fined $150,000. The money to pay for your fine would be collected from wages you would earn pruducing some needed product or service that is sold in the market. In this case, earned from harvesting crops in Alabama. In other words, you WORK YOUR WAY OUT OF JAIL! YOU DON’T JUST SPEND TIME. The money apid for products and services people wnat to purchas eis used to house and feed the criminal. Now that’s rehabilitation and punishment at the same time.
There is more than ample prison labor, but what’s more I see literally thousands of able bodied people standing on the stoop or the corner everyday who could do the work and pay into their own subsistence instead of taxpayers doing it.
But they “ain’t fittin’ to do no farm work.”
The ACLU will move heaven and earth to make sure that the farm work will NOT be done by prisoners because it will demean them and bring back the ol’South mentality with all the plantations and slavery happy horshechit arguments.
“Things just arent black and white as people who do not govern would like them to be or believe them to be.”
So therefor Perry’s stance of encouraging illegals and helping them get educated and find work is a good thing? is that the message?
Don’t confuse work-release program with slave labor.Nobody is forced to work,they can lay in their cell all day if they want.
It’s truly amazing how much La Raza Rick resembles Huckster of the last Presidential election cycle. Huckster berated Arkansans as “un-Christian” for opposing his flooding the state with illegals. Of course, it was because Tyson wanted their plants jam-packed with that illegal slave labor. One wonders what industry or industries in Texas are demanding the Guv keep that same spigot open.
I hadn’t thought of that but you’re right. I have no sympathy for someone who’s business is predicated on the use of illegal labor.
a couple yrs ago while driving 45 thru Huntsville,Tx, I pointed out to my son what was happening in plain sight. It really looked like slavery 200 yrs ago. There were a few overseerers (guards) on horseback with guns and numerous prisoners outside the fence but still on state land, I think they were either picking their own crops or weeding the garden. BUT, after that one prisoner escaped & killed that female guard in the process I haven’t seen them outside the walls since.
There are no unemployed American citizens in Alabama? How is that possible?
I don’t see a problem with inmate labor. I would prefer it not be for private industry but it does help pay for prisons. When I was a kid we lived in a house surrounded by Southern Michigan Prison owned farmland. Back in those days, the prison fed itself and even sold some of what they grew.
I have no problem using prison labor providing the prisoners volunteer for the jobs and they are paid at the same rate as were the illegals.
Actually here in Nashville they clean all of the court houses and various metro buildings. It’s not a problem.
Sheriff Joe gives 2 for 1 for everyday you clean the streets. (Yes, he can do that)
“The ACLU will move heaven and earth to make sure that the farm work will NOT be done by prisoners because it will demean them and bring back the olSouth mentality with all the plantations and slavery happy horshechit arguments”
Especially since a lot of prison inmates are after all, black.
If more prisons had that system, you would see a lot less criminals. I remember reading that prisons used ot have convicts do sewing as well, making them work and putting htem to good use. They shouldn’t sit idle and allowed ot be converted to Islam or any other loony religions that are gaining a foothold with these people.
“... gives 2 for 1 for everyday you clean the streets”.
I’m not sure I know what that means? Does he reduce you time by two days for every one day of work?
Everyday you work is a day reduced, look at it that way.
If you get a misdemeanor 90 day sentence. Sheriff Joe will allow you to clean the streets for 45 days and let you out.
End all welfare, adjust the wages to market levels and there will be plenty of people to work.
We use work release people where I work. They are not slaves and they aren’t even really “inmates”. They are in transition from prison to release. They don’t have to work but will go back to prison to serve the rest of their time if they don’t. They are paid market rates for their labor.
Into the 70s Michigan Southern Prison supplied itself with food as well as a few of the county jails in this part of the state. I’m sure that wasn’t all they did. I know they also sold bread and other baked goods they made there.
I have no problem with your plan if all prisoners pay for their clothing, food and rent.
One wonders what industry or industries in Texas are demanding the Guv keep that same spigot open.
That’s easy. Construction. And any other business that involves hard, hot, dirty, cold, outside work.
it’s hard to believe that someone by this time has not come up with mechanical pickers to replace the illegal labor force that flows across the border each year. Mechanical pickers would be more cost-effective, safer for the food supply and faster.
True, but any farmer signing up for this better multiply his manpower needs by three or four. Otherwise, he won't get his harvest in on time.
During WWII, my grandfather (and many other farmers) hired German POWs from the nearby army camp to do field work.
Labor was short because all the local men were in uniform.
The Germans loved it. Much better than being on Hitler’s front lines.
The Perry bashers on here are not going to change their minds no matter how many facts you put in front of them. Having any kind of discussion with them is futile. Your doing a great job getting the facts out about Perry, but those who would rather see Romney elected or Obama re-elected are going to spin the facts to suit their agenda.
Ha! for instance, Perry bashers have decided that in-state tuition is a free education. So I should get my money back, I just put my daughter through 4 years of college here!
I’d try my hand at outside.