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Netflix Abandons Plan to Rent DVDs on Qwikster (Hallelujah!)
The New York Times: Media Decoder ^ | October 10, 2011, 8:00 am | BRIAN STELTER

Posted on 10/10/2011 5:41:23 AM PDT by TSgt

Abandoning a break-up plan it announced last month, Netflix said Monday morning that it had decided to keep its DVD-by-mail and online streaming services together under one name and one Web site.

The company admitted that it had moved too fast when it tried to spin-off the old-fashioned DVD service into a new company called Qwikster.

“We underestimated the appeal of the single web site and a single service,” Steve Swasey, a Netflix spokesman, said in a telephone interview. He quickly added: “We greatly underestimated it.”

Mr. Swasey said that the Netflix chief executive Reed Hastings declined an interview request. But in a statement, Mr. Hastings said, “Consumers value the simplicity Netflix has always offered and we respect that. There is a difference between moving quickly — which Netflix has done very well for years — and moving too fast, which is what we did in this case.”

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To: bcsco

We stream from Netflix with our Samsung BlueRay and have never had any streaming issue whatsoever. I highly recommend the Samsung.


51 posted on 10/10/2011 7:29:48 AM PDT by battletank
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To: ReaganBaby26

They didn’t revoke the price hike. They revoked the STUPID plan to make people go to two separate websites to manage their queues.


52 posted on 10/10/2011 7:32:27 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Amnesty (ie: Perry/Rubio) will be the final death blow to the United States of America.)
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To: USMCWife6869

RE: The Walking Dead

Starts up again this Sunday! Really looking forward to it!


53 posted on 10/10/2011 7:35:05 AM PDT by fellowgeek (To geek or not to geek.)
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To: rarestia; NavyCanDo
Worst case, get yourself a Roku box (www.roku.com), and you can stream stuff from the Internet like Hulu and YouTube straight to your TV.

How are you able to get Youtube on a Roku? I've had a Roku XDS box since the Spring but I haven't seen a Youtube channel app in their selection. That's been my only negative about Roku, and in browsing the online discussion forums about this it seems to be impossible to find a straight answer as to why. I presume it's a licensing issue.

Roku needs to address this. I'm considering adding a streaming box to a TV in another room and as much as I've been pleased with everything else about the Roku product, if they don't fix this I'll be getting one of the Sony Blu-Ray WiFi players from Sam's Club instead (and I don't even use Blu-Ray).

54 posted on 10/10/2011 7:37:35 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: rarestia; battletank

Thanks, both of you. No, I’d have to go wireless instead of wired. My Linksys router sits on my desk, and the BlueRay would be in the LR in the TV cabinet. So...

I have to go out so I’ll stop at the Sears store and look at it. Maybe...


55 posted on 10/10/2011 7:41:59 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

D3 is supposed to drop early next year, but while Blizzard has a habit of pushing back go-lives (SCII was over a year delayed), they never release an unfinished product.

On the other hand, you have outfits like EA who regularly release partially-finished betas as full and then patch like maniacs for the first few weeks, much to the consternation of gamers.

I never could get into the MW/COD series games. I absolutely DESPISE sniper-only mentality kids who get into BFBC2 games and do nothing but snipe and drop mortar strikes. You cannot play cooperatively with those people, and that the real heart and core of the Battlefield series. It is a game that is intended to be squad-warfare based.

When I get into a really good game with a heavily diversified squad, we can own the map for long stretches of the match by simply playing cooperatively. My impression of the MW/COD franchises is that they are geared toward those who like to play multi-player games with a more solo twist.

Let me know what you find out about SWTOR. I played EVE Online for a few years, and I absolutely adore the space-based sci-fi MMO genre. Sadly, there is not much to it anymore with games like WoW owning the MMO market.


56 posted on 10/10/2011 7:43:30 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: upchuck

“I’ve been using Netflix’s by-mail DVD service for several years. Their customer service is without peer. I wish every company I deal with was as good as Netflix.

But their big downfall seems to be predicting what their customers want. They’ve backtracked on Quixter. ‘Bout time!”

Yes—I’ve been really impressed with Netflix’s DVD efficiency. They’ve done a really good job at this. However, their latest venture has been tantamount to taking a round wheel and making it square.


57 posted on 10/10/2011 7:43:54 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: tarheelswamprat

Did you go into the channel store to add YouTube? I have an XDS and use YouTube on it all the time.


58 posted on 10/10/2011 7:45:12 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Amnesty (ie: Perry/Rubio) will be the final death blow to the United States of America.)
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To: fellowgeek

I know, me too!!! And this season will be 13 episodes!!


59 posted on 10/10/2011 7:48:17 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: tarheelswamprat

My best friend hacked his Roku box and installed some open source code.

I don’t personally have Roku, so I may be speaking out of turn. I personally built a PC in a custom modular case and installed Linux with MythTV. Windows 7 uses Windows Media Center to much the same effect, but I like the freedom of Linux.


60 posted on 10/10/2011 7:49:49 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Politicalmom

I’ve looked all through the Channel Store and I simply can’t find the Youtube app. My Roku was purchased back in May and they have since come out with a Roku 2 series. Is that what you have? Perhaps that is the difference. If so, and they don’t make the app available to previous owners they’ve lost a customer that way as well.


61 posted on 10/10/2011 7:53:57 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: bcsco

Use sites like CNet.com for reviews on home electronics. They’re quite reputable, and I’ve never been dissatisfied by a product I’ve researched and purchased at the recommendation of CNet editors and readers.

You won’t be disappointed by Samsung, and even with a 100 MBps Linksys wireless router, you’ll still be able to stream from NetFlix with little issue.


62 posted on 10/10/2011 7:54:18 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Thanks. My Linksys E2500 is rated up to 300Mbps so I shouldn’t have a problem.


63 posted on 10/10/2011 7:58:54 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: rarestia

MW is exactly as you dexcribed it, pvp for mostly solo players. I like it because I can drop in and out for as long as I want and just kinda blow off some steam.

I’ve been playing Tropico 4 quite a bit recently. I had played Civ too many turns and needed something new. I DL’d the Steam app and have been keeping a close eye on their specials. I’d like to get Shogun 2 on sale . I played the demo and fell in love all over again. I played the org. way back and have played most of the TW series.

EA pisses me off soooo much sometimes. I hate their executive team.


64 posted on 10/10/2011 8:00:50 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

I prefer cooperative game play if I can get it. I played WoW for 4 years, and I absolutely loved the late-game content. Going into a raid with 40 people and just pwning a big dragon was just plain fun. The guild drama pushed me away from WoW, though.

How is Tropico 4? Did you play the original? I STILL fire up the original Tropico on occasion. I could get lost in it for hours!

I have heard good things about Mass Effect. I plan on picking that up on Steam when its on sale again. My wish list on Steam is just ridiculous!

I wish EA would go the Steam route. Part of my hesitancy with BF3 is that you are required to keep Origin running while playing. I do not know if you messed with their old EA Download Manager, but what a freaking PIG!

I wound up editing my registry so I could play my games without EADM running, but that took some time and effort. I hope I can do the same with BF3, but I am not hopeful. And word is that Origin actually tracks you and provides information back to EA.

I hate DRM!


65 posted on 10/10/2011 8:08:52 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: TSgt

Dang. I wonder if they will roll back the pricing now too.


66 posted on 10/10/2011 8:12:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: TSgt

Actually new coke was a marketing success. Sales had been dropping, while the change was poorly received it spawned a wave of brand loyalty that increased sales quite dramatically.

I don’t know if this will play out quite like that, but it does show that the epitaph for the DVD has been written a bit too soon. It also shows people shouldn’t get so worked up all the time. In the end none of what people were whining about came to pass, so they got their blood pressure all spiked up for nothing.


67 posted on 10/10/2011 8:16:21 AM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: rarestia

Origin = horribad
Trop 4 = win

When I bought Trop Steam gave me all the other titles + expacs.

I was very happy with that deal because I played the pirates one while waiting for the release of #4.

My wife and I played WoW from Beta to Cata. Eventually I knew the game so well I felt like I was playing a spreadsheet. I did hear that there would be no TITAN announcement at BlizzCon. So that sucks.

I hope that when ME III comes out that Steam will sell it in a battlechest with the first 2 titles so I can get the true experience of watching all of my decisions effect the end game.

And I agree DRM is the enemy of Liberty!


68 posted on 10/10/2011 8:16:58 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: ctdonath2
many are finding it easy and cost-efficient to get recent movies streaming for $2-5 a pop.

For $5 or $10 you can buy older movies. And since the old stuff tends to be better than the hottest new release from Hollywood, we've given up rentals completely.

69 posted on 10/10/2011 8:17:07 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: TSgt

This is the story of how Netflix nearly saved Blockbuster.


70 posted on 10/10/2011 8:18:58 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ReaganBaby26

The only way the price hike is getting revoked is if companies they get streaming content from revoke THEIR price hike. Netflix’s costs went up nearly 2 billion dollars in a few months, they had to pass those costs to the consumer.


71 posted on 10/10/2011 8:19:35 AM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

I’ve got Trop4 in my wish list, but since I’ll be unemployed as of Halloween, I’m trying to pick and choose what I buy. I hope it comes down in price, because I loved the first one. BTW, was there a Tropico 2 & 3? How’d they get to 4?

I never played Cataclysm. I played through a small part of the Frozen Throne exp, but I dropped out of WoW altogether when they announced Cata. I played Beta, and boy is the game completely different from the original experience. Also, now that they’re letting everyone play for free up through lvl 20, I have to imagine the Chinese farmers must be EVERYWHERE!

You play SCII? I need help. As much as I love RTS games, I’m no where near as good with build order and offense as some of these other kids. I guess I’ll take my single-player Civ and SimCity games and enjoy a day of mindless fun instead of mindboggling frustration.


72 posted on 10/10/2011 8:26:42 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: bcsco

Go wired if you can. Network cables almost always give you faster cleaner throughput than wireless. I’ve got the Samsung BD-C6500. My only complaint about the unit is that sometimes when it turns on it gets “confused” and you have to turn it back off and on. Luckily it only does that on bootup. Oh and updates only ever seem to show up at inconvenient time (”ooh I’ve got an hour to kill let’s watch this thing that’s 56 minutes... crap updates that take 10 minutes so much for that”), but that’s just a universal truth for everything these days.


73 posted on 10/10/2011 8:30:10 AM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: tarheelswamprat

Nope. I have a Roku 1.


74 posted on 10/10/2011 8:53:51 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Amnesty (ie: Perry/Rubio) will be the final death blow to the United States of America.)
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To: discostu

“Did not come to pass”? A million disc rental customers quit renting discs - prematurely. Sure, Netflix is doing an about-face, but 7 digits of people have now given up physical movie media outright. Between the kids destroying discs and me sampling “anything, now, for at most a few bucks” I’m dropping discs outright, along with a lot of others.

This along with a new generation used to not possessing physical media. Had a lunchroom chat with co-workers about the future influence of CDs: one looked on a bit puzzled for a while, then observed she hadn’t purchased any CDs for 10 years - all music obtained by paid downloads. Likewise, discs (DVD, BluRay, NextUberFormatHere) will pass as instant cheap access will be preferred, accentuated by the realization few people watch any given movie/show more than once or twice, cheaper to rent and easier to not store.

Looking more like an analogy where Coke convinced a vast segment of their customers that water was better & cheaper.


75 posted on 10/10/2011 8:56:39 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: discostu

Yep, that’s the reason I had figured they would split the service and then do away with the streaming side of it. My theory was wrong.


76 posted on 10/10/2011 8:59:45 AM PDT by ReaganBaby26 (Perry/Cain 2012)
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To: ctdonath2

That was more tied to the price hike than anything. Which is actually OK in Netflix’s book. The whole plan for them has always been to be all streaming eventually, discs are incredibly expensive on every level for them, buying them, sorting them, mailing them, buying them again when they get damaged. The primary reason they even considered the qwikster thing was because people weren’t fleeing from the DVDs fast enough. All this thing really proved is that this thing they always planned to be temporary has more life in it than they hoped, but with the new prices things stay profitable.

Discs still have some stuff to draw people to them. Not the least of which is permanence. With the vagueries of the streaming world the movie you want to watch might not be available when you want it. You own an MP3 even if you didn’t get it from a CD, you don’t own the stream. As anybody watching a Starz series on Netflix has learned, if your stream provider and the distributor decide they aren’t getting along anymore you’re SOL. Where as people who owned their favorite Starz series didn’t care, they owned it.

Actually bottled water is more expensive than coke, but it’s OK because the biggest bottled water brands on the shelf are all owned by coke. Go ahead and stop drinking coke because dasani is healthier, the boys in Atlanta don’t mind.


77 posted on 10/10/2011 9:15:30 AM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: Politicalmom

re: Nope. I have a Roku 1.

Then I have no idea how you can see a Youtube app in the Channel Store and I can’t. Are you sure you didn’t get the private channel hack that was available back in 2010 before it was withdrawn at Youtube’s demand?


78 posted on 10/10/2011 9:17:48 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: ReaganBaby26

They were never going to drop the streaming side. Streaming is the goal of the company, and has been since its founding. The DVD side was just there to get them the funding and profile needed to become a streaming company. That’s why they called it NETflix not DVDMail. The spinoff was about getting rid of this thing that wasn’t dieing fast enough, then there was all the complaints. But the goal still is to be stream only, as soon as their “funding” portion dies the death they thought it was going to already.


79 posted on 10/10/2011 9:18:42 AM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: bcsco

We’re wireless also. We had to get a samsung compatible wireless antenna thingy that plugs into the front of the Samsung. Not sure, but I think maybe the newer units have that integrated into it. Ours is a bit older, and we needed the added contraption. It all works wonderfully, though.


80 posted on 10/10/2011 9:26:18 AM PDT by battletank
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To: ConservativeDude

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82 posted on 10/10/2011 10:34:16 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rarestia

Well, that dog didn’t hunt. I found the Samsung BlueRay player at Wal-Mart for less money than at Sears. It said on the box a USB Wireless Router (not included) would be needed. I have a Linksys USB router and the guy in the store said if it didn’t work I could get one of theirs. I hooked up the Samsung and my wireless router wasn’t recognized. Also, the on-screen setup kept searching for a Samsung Wireless Router. I went back to Wal-Mart and told him what happened. He said any of their newer routers would work so I bought a Linksys. Took it home and the Samsung wouldn’t recognize it as well. I go to the manual and it says I must us a Samsung USB Wireless Router. I called Sears and they don’t carry them in stock. Neither does Wal-Mart.

I returned both the Samsung and the Linksys router and got my money back. I told them that if they don’t start carrying the Samsung router they’re going to be getting most of these BlueRay players back (unless the buyers don’t care about online access). There was also a Sony BlueRay player but it also required a separate router. I passed on it. I’d gone through enough for one day.


83 posted on 10/10/2011 12:40:19 PM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: battletank

See my post #83. For all the movies we watch I’ll stick with renting them from our rental store for $2-5 a pop.


84 posted on 10/10/2011 12:42:27 PM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: bcsco

I have a Netgear wireless router. My Samsung BD player has never had a problem with it.


85 posted on 10/10/2011 12:44:28 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: bcsco

OH! My BRD player came with a little USB dongle.

If you decide otherwise, FReepmail me and let me know, and I’ll mail you my wireless dongle. I don’t use it.


86 posted on 10/10/2011 1:04:53 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

Thanks for the offer but I think I’ll sit this one out. I also looked at Wii but the movie resolution isn’t there according to the guy at WM, and I’d have to go Xbox for a lot more $. Not only that but it’s another ‘thing’ and my electric strip is already filled up. I think I’m trying to do too much with not enough real need to do it.


87 posted on 10/10/2011 1:39:16 PM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: tarheelswamprat

I didn’t get my Roku until early this year, it was brand-new, I took it out of the box, plugged it in, and haven’t touched it since. You Tube was just available.


88 posted on 10/10/2011 3:52:41 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Amnesty (ie: Perry/Rubio) will be the final death blow to the United States of America.)
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To: Politicalmom

Glad you got lucky, although I don’t understand it... /g

Whatever you do, don’t delete the current Youtube channel/player from your Roku - you won’t be able to get it back now. Youtube is simply not offered now, according to Roku’s own website.


89 posted on 10/10/2011 4:47:41 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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