Skip to comments.Fast And Furious And Ugly
Posted on 10/10/2011 5:59:40 PM PDT by Kaslin
Scandal: The attorney general once again pleads ignorance as some 40 Fast and Furious weapons are found at a Mexican drug lord's home. If the AG doesn't read memos, maybe he can read a subpoena.
After Eric Holder was involved in the pardoning of international fugitive Marc Rich, he confessed to not doing a thorough check of Rich's history and background. When he criticized Arizona's immigration law, SB1070, he admitted to not even reading the law. Now, with dead bodies and illegal weapons piled up high in Fast and Furious, Holder says he didn't read the memos.
Holder's "Sgt. Schultz" defense that he knew, saw and heard nothing about the ATF's gun-running operation does not wash with the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa.
On "Fox News Sunday" Issa said he plans to issue subpoenas that Holder and other top Department of Justice officials will have to read. On Friday, Holder reacted to calls for a special prosecutor and the fact that five weekly emails sent to him by Michael Walther, director of national drug intelligence, in July and August 2010 should have made him aware of the program and its problems.
"I do not and cannot read them from cover to cover," Holder said in a letter to Republican Reps. Issa and Lamar Smith and Sen. Chuck Grassley and Democrat Reps. Elijah Cummings and John Conyers and Sen. Patrick Leahy.
We assume Holder reads the morning paper and has heard of the 40 assault weapons illegally purchased under the Phoenix ATF's Fast and Furious operation that somehow wound up in the home of Sinaloa cartel enforcer Torres "the Jaguar" Marrufo. If he has, we suspect his reaction might have been akin to that of another famous sitcom character, Steve Urkel: "Did I do that?"
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Terrorist chief Holder probably knew where the guns were, since his boys in the ATF were tracing them, ...right?
How much of a memo would you have to read to find out the most remarkable fact about an operation?
Under the laws of all 50 States AND the Federal Government Eric Holder is an accomplice to the murders of at least 200 Mexican citizens and at least 1 US Federal Agent.
Resignation is the least option on the table right now. To my mind multiple prosecutions under US and Mexican law are in order. Personally I’d let Mexico have first crack at him if they were to ask for his extradition.
The thought of Eric Holder spending the next 25 years in a Mexican prison warms my black heart through and through.
What these news stories and editorials fail to mention is WHY Holder, Obama, and Clinton were behind Fast and Furious.
It was a “Reichstag fire” style dirty trick that was supposed to convince congress to reinstate the “assault weapon” ban. It blew up in their faces and now innocent people are dead.
Forget Holder. Obama’s and H. Clinton’s dirty fingerprints are all over this one. They need to pay.
I'm inclined to believe him!
Interpol should be issuing a warrant for his arrest.
Like someone said the other day on FOX News, Holder is either lying or he is incompetent
Fast And Furious And Ugly
The State Dept. led DHS which led the DOJ which led ATF, the FBI, the DEA, ICE and the USBP but none of the heads of any of those agencies nor the Pres. had any idea what this super-multi-agency operation was about? Sure. lol
Helen Thomas was involved??????.......
next up Hillary what did she know and when did she know it? Did the State Dept authorized selling the weapons to Mexico or will that memo disappear along with the FBI files?
If they weren’t tracing the guns - and they weren’t - what was really going on?
That's the problem with this whole bunch: We're all inclined to believe that about everyone this guy puts in office. Thus, the beauty of all the moronic nominations Zero's ever made comes into view. They can all believably plead ignorance.
I think we were being prepped for another assault on the Second Amendment. I’ve thought that for a while now.
Has there been any link between the firearm used to kill the Air Guard members in Reno, NV and Fast and Furious firearms?
“If they werent tracing the guns - and they werent - what was really going on?”
Well gosh, the Attorney General and the President couldn’t be undermining the Bill of Rights, could they? This is the sorriest bunch of radicals to ever attack America. Your question is the one everyone should ask. If they weren’t running a sting operation, what were they doing?
Maybe they were arming revolutionaries to rise up in support of the Occupy terrorists.
The AWB is small potatoes compared to Zero foisting the UN Small Arms Treaty, which has legal leverage sufficient effectively to annul the Second Amendment itself. That plus arming a paramilitary army of terrorists is what is at stake here.
See tag line.
“Like someone said the other day on FOX News, Holder is either lying or he is incompetent.”
Why not both?
Product of public education: can’t read?
has sources claiming Obamas man in the State Department, (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.
A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:
Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an indispensable partner. On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution, she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played Oscar to Jack Lews Felix, referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obamas budget director.
If the AG doesn't read memos, maybe he can read a subpoena.
Is that the "Felony Murder" statute where if you are involved in a felony that results in the murder of a person, even if you're not directly involved in the murder, you're still held culpable for the murder? Is international arms trafficking a felony?
There is such an exquisite irony if Hillary is involved given her participation in the Watergate Investigations, that, if Issa proceeds correctly, could lead to the downfall of some seriously long-term Marxists players.
Or option "C," lying AND incompetent. We know he's corrupt. Just look at his work for Clinton on the FALN and Marc Rich pardons.
And they're not mutually exclusive, either!
Maybe something to do with this:
No way that Holder will ever be extradited. Remember that Obama can always pardon him if necessary. The best we can hope for probably is that this will help deny Obama a second term. If he was in danger of being indicted after leaving office, he could resign one hour before the end of his term and have Joe Biden give him a pardon. January 20, 2013: the Day of Three Presidents?
I sure hope there are enough prison cells vacant for the DC crowd!
Read up on the power of the Presidential pardon. It's only for Federal crimes, not State crimes or crimes committed in foreign countries. He can not pardon Holder if he's extradited to Mexico.
How do you read an email “cover to cover”?
That would be superb karma.
Good catch! He’s not going to hold up well under further questioning.
Wednesday, June 22, 2011
Media & Congress Still Missing the Big Legal Point of the Gunwalker Scandal: it was a conspiracy to illegally export weapons to a foreign country.
Not just a foreign country, or a political faction, but multiple organized crime syndicates. The only thing I can think of as an historical comparison is state sponsored terrorism.
Article 2 - The Executive Branch
Section 2 - Civilian Power Over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
Anybody here remember Alberto Gonzales? Can you imagine what they would have done to him for this kind of thing? They hauled him out to testify for hours on end in front of Congress and the MSM. He was questioned in relation to the appointment of Federal Judges which was clearly the perogative of the Executive branch.
What did the President know and when did he know it?
I was curious to see how the Dems were handling this, and decided to lurk at DU. I went into the “Guns” discussion group and opened about half a dozen F&F threads.
They are not happy with Holder at all. Almost no one was defending him. Their descriptions of him are similar to many freepers. They don't really believe he is incompetent...they think he's a liar and the program was a really idiotic idea. The guy is toast if the Dems want him gone...and they do.
And there were only a few references to the Bush “Wide Receiver” program, but some commented that if it was a bad idea, why didn't Obama/Holder stop it instead of expanding it? They took no comfort in the possibility that they could spread the blame.
They're very worried that it's cranking up in the election cycle, and what it would do to Obama.
Holder is losing friends quickly. He helped murder people. That needs to be taken into consideration when compared to the jail time Scooter Libby got for merely getting snared in a prosecutorial trap.
I think there’s going to be a lot of superb karma.
Hmm, that is very interesting
“I do not and cannot read them from cover to cover,”
Sounds like he’s using his own bureaucracy as an excuse.
Of course he’s lying, he can say what he wants. Will Obama
be able to get another AG confirmed or will it be czar time?
Or will Biden be the guy appointing the next AG/czar?