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Free Republic Sacrilege: Why Perry is the Conservative and Cain is Not
Self | 10/10/2011 | Beancounter13

Posted on 10/10/2011 9:30:26 PM PDT by beancounter13





Issue

Perry

Cain

2nd Amendment

Has a firearm, a CCL, and he uses them.

Has a long history of 2nd Amendment support:

2nd Amendment

Thinks gun control should be left to the state and local governments placing him at odds with Heller and McDonald.

Cain's CNN

Abortion

Perry signed into law a regulation would have required women seeking an abortion to view a sonogram and listen to the fetus's heartbeat while a doctor rattled off a detailed description of the fetus's anatomical development — and then forcibly ponder their decision for an additional 24 hours before an abortion could be performed.

Abortion

Pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception.



Cain's CNN

Gay Marriage (note the so-called 'flip-flop' actually serves to showcase Perry's support of the 10th Amendment)

Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage – a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states' rights that he was fine with New York's approval of same-sex marriage.

Gay Marriage

Supports traditional marriage, support traditional marriage



Cain's CNN

Global Warming / Cap & Trade

Long history of fighting the EPA as Texas Governor:

[The EPA] relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists' own e-mails ....

Global Warming

I don't believe global war-- global warming is real. Do we have climate change? Yes. Is it a crisis, no. And this is why I strongly oppose the-- the cap in trade



Cain on Global Warming

Red Flags

Use of a liberal term (“heartless”) while discussing an issue (in-state tuition for residents of non-citizens).

Use of a liberal term (“insensitive”) in referring to a racial accusation before the facts were revealed.





TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; chat; election; heartless; makesnosense; perry; primary; vanity; vanityinnews
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To: beancounter13
Rick Perry on Illegal Immigration

I read this interview at your link when it came out and I examined Perry's answers closely. I invite other Freepers concerned with the immigration issue to do so, and there was a thread on it as well.

When Perry was about whether he supported building the fence originally envisioned by the Secure Fence Act, he did more than merely side-step the question but pretty clearly indicated that he would not build that fence, but only fence that he deems to be "strategic" which is so vague and unspecific as to sound like a typical campaign promise.

He did not challenge the premise in the question that he would make avoiding the inconveniencing of farmers his first priority.

He then went back into his stock talking point about boots on the ground. We all know that maintaining forever the annual funding for high numbers of boots on the ground is a chimera. But he rejects building out the fence, which would let us get by with a lower annual appropriation for fewer boots on the ground.

Here's what we can expect from President Perry in my view:

1. A couple of years of higher "boots on the ground" and a bit of fencing here and there for public relations purposes. The "boots" focus on criminal activity such as drug cartels and not so much on hindering ordinary illegals.

2. Further foot-dragging on requiring employers to screen employees for illegals using databases

3. After a couple of years, Perry declares the border "secure" enough, saying that it is impossible to achieve perfection.

4. Perry pushes "comprehensive immigration reform" through congress. The Republican congress is unable to resist this when it comes from someone in their own party.

His idea of legalizing them but denying them voting rights will not fly for long. Americans do not want an entire class of "second class citizens." Either they will go ahead and give them the path to citizenship at the first bite at the apple, or wait a couple of years and then do it.

101 posted on 10/10/2011 10:58:26 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: TexMom7

http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/presidential-hopeful-herman-cain-changes-position-on-bank-bailouts


102 posted on 10/10/2011 10:59:01 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: bullypulpit
No one who has ever run for president will be more against amnesty than Perry

Tom Tancredo begs to differ. Perry No Conservative

103 posted on 10/10/2011 10:59:09 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (PERRY - Special Needs for Special Times)
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To: beancounter13

It’s the truth. The loser blew it with his pandering to illegals. ESAD.


104 posted on 10/10/2011 10:59:15 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: Netizen

Sorry, I disagree with you.

You missed my post about CEOs. They know exactly what they say, and when they say it. People don’t get to be CEOs otherwise.


105 posted on 10/10/2011 10:59:38 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: RitaOK

I’m talking about the majority US citizens — *not* just Texans. I know you Texans want to make this into a states’ rights issue. But immigration is a Federal issue, and if a state offers in-state tuition to illegal aliens, it acts as an incentive for more illegals to enter the US (Texas, in this case).

Meanwhile, as I posted earlier, there are hundreds of thousands of foreigners who have been waiting in line for years to apply for legal entry to the US (and I personally know some of them) who are witnessing this stuff and wondering what the advantage is to doing this the legal way when those who break the law get to jump to the front of the line and get, in this case, in-state tuition rewards in Texas which my natural-born citizen children from Virginia could not even qualify for.

One simply cannot justify this to those foreigners who are for years and years waiting to gain entry to this country legally.


106 posted on 10/10/2011 11:00:51 PM PDT by kevao
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To: GloriaJane

WooHoo Excellent!


107 posted on 10/10/2011 11:00:53 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: VRWC For Truth

You are ignorant of the facts, uninformed, or a liar. Perry is not for amnesty, has said so, it is well known, inarguable, and unquestioned by those who read and and hear. Anything to the contrary is Leftist propaganda peddled by a few useful idiots on the Right.


108 posted on 10/10/2011 11:03:19 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
Good post on Perry's weasel words and pro-illegal dealings.

What's with D-students and open-borders. Ted Kennedy, John McCain, and now Ricky Perry. All stupid men who barely got through college. All immigration leftists. Some kind of pattern there.

109 posted on 10/10/2011 11:03:19 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (PERRY - Special Needs for Special Times)
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To: Jim Robinson

A No-Romney Zone. Wise indeed, Jim-san.


110 posted on 10/10/2011 11:07:10 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (To all good FRiends who supported Gov. Palin. I never badmouthed her. Please now join us w/ MR. CAIN)
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To: Dagnabitt

Excellent article.


111 posted on 10/10/2011 11:09:37 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: RitaOK

He’s tanking. Shamnesty is so 2008. He’s done.


112 posted on 10/10/2011 11:10:14 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: beancounter13
"Fair enough. Can we agree to cut Perry the same level of slack on his "heartless" comment?"

No! Never!

113 posted on 10/10/2011 11:11:57 PM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: beancounter13

Plenty of CEO’s have said the wrong thing when fed bad info and disinformation.


114 posted on 10/10/2011 11:13:06 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Dagnabitt
Tom Tancredo is a fringe right black helicopter conservative who is a useful idiot of the fringe left. Here's the left weenie Daily Kos praising their favorite congressman. If you think that Rick Perry is part of an Islamic plot, you really, really don't have a heart (or a brain).
115 posted on 10/10/2011 11:13:30 PM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: beancounter13

Good post. I don’t think you should or will be zotted.

Neither Cain nor Perry are perfect, but both are acceptable.

I’m for Cain at the moment.


116 posted on 10/10/2011 11:16:16 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: All
This is what Cain said about immigration:

In a final op-ed, Herman Cain noted his opposition to the 2007 Comprehensive Immigration reform plan and noted four things that congress could do concerning immigration.

These items were to secure the borders convincingly,

expand the temporary worker program for skilled legal immigrants,

establish a reliable legal immigrant identification program

and then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (and counting) illegal persons who broke our laws to get here, but not amnesty.

In additional interviews, Mr Cain stated that comprehensive immigration reform was a "do nothing" policy which would not solve the problem of illegal immigration.

He stated that a Cain administration would do three things:

secure the border;

enforce the laws;

promote the existing path to citizenship.

117 posted on 10/10/2011 11:18:24 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: AmericanInTokyo

” A No-Romney Zone. ....” <<<

Not for long. If the Right and the Left together can successfully kill off Perry it will be all Zone Romney. The Left and the Right are all paired up to do just that, and new found buddy team, Cain and RINO Romney. That only looks bizarre to me though. It’s no problem to those on this thread. The Left, the Right, Cain, Romney, Rinos are all guns trained on Perry. Weird.


118 posted on 10/10/2011 11:20:44 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: VRWC For Truth

You are tanking in kool aide. For the Left. Wipe your mouth.


119 posted on 10/10/2011 11:22:29 PM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: beancounter13
Fair enough. Can we agree to cut Perry the same level of slack on his "heartless" comment?

I certainly would, the reason being he backed off it himself. I think we are entirely too critical across the board. How many times have all of us been misunderstood, and had to clarify what we said or why we said it?

These candidates are only human - they say things that don't always come out the way they wanted to. I don't judge anyone on one statement unless it seems that it truly does reflect a core value. Now if someone wants to make the case that Perry's 'heartless' comment did reflect a core value, fine. I don't know enough about him to have an opinion one way or the other, and frankly don't care. Not because he might not be an excellent, or even the best nominee, but because I don't think he will be.
120 posted on 10/10/2011 11:23:21 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: All

Cain’s Tax Mutiny. New national sales tax on top of the income tax is a political killer

Wall Street Journal

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2789966/posts


121 posted on 10/10/2011 11:23:30 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: All

FLASHBACK: Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist endorses Rick Perry for Texas governor
Dalls News ^ | 24 February 2010 | GROMER JEFFERS JR

Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:32:13 PM by Clairity

“I had to come 1,200 miles to find a governor who believes in a simple principle called the rule of law,” Gilchrist said at the Crescent Hotel. “I’m here to encourage all you Texans to stand your ground and get out there and vote for this governor.”

Gilchrist later added that “Perry has a clear record of decisive action to secure our borders, stop illegal drug and human trafficking trade and is very clearly the right choice for voters in Texas to fight illegal immigration.”

In accepting the endorsement, Perry blasted the federal government’s effort to secure that nation’s borders.

“Washington’s record on border security has been one of indifference, of neglect and failure,” Perry said. “That’s why Texas has been stepping up with resources to fill the gap left by Washington.”

Perry said the state, over the last two legislative sessions, has pumped in over $225 million for border security.

“We’re not going to rest in Texas until that border is completely secure,” Perry said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2789954/posts


122 posted on 10/10/2011 11:25:18 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: kevao

Cain wants to empower the states to deal with immigration. Might be a good idea, then the states can take care of all the expenses themselves. Take Texas and Perry he can give the illegals all the education and healthcare he wants as long as Texans pay for it with no money coming from the feds.

Secure the border with more boots on the ground
I do believe we can secure the border with a combination of boots on the ground, technology, and a fence, but we’ve got three other problems. And to get to it, we’ve got to secure the border.

Secondly, let’s promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We don’t need a new one, we just need to clean up the bureaucracy that’s slowing the process down and discouraging people.

The third thing we need to do, enforce the laws that are there, and the way we do it, empower the states. I believe that the people closest to the problem are the best ones to be able to solve that problem. Empower the states to do what the federal government hasn’t done, can’t do, and won’t do. This is how we solve the entire problem.
Source: 2011 GOP debate in Simi Valley CA at the Reagan Library , Sep 7, 2011

We have a path to citizenship: it’s called legal immigration
Q: When Pres. Obama joked about protecting the borders with alligators and a moat, not only did you embrace the idea, you upped the ante with “a 20-foot barbed wire electrified fence.” Were you serious?

A: America has got to learn how to take a joke. But allow me to give you my real solution to the immigration problem. I happen to believe that is four problems.

1. Yes, we must secure the border with whatever means necessary.
2. Enforce the laws that are there.
3. Promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We have a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. It’s called legal immigration.
4. And then, I happen to agree with empowering the states and allow them to deal with that issue. If we work on the right problem, we will be able to solve it.

And in the case of immigration, we’ve got four problems that we need to work on simultaneously. We can have high fences and wide open doors, all at the same time.
Source: Iowa Straw Poll 2011 GOP debate in Ames Iowa , Aug 11, 2011

# Guiding principle #2: We have got to lead this nation from an entitlement society to an empowerment society, by getting government out of the way. We’ve got to empower states to do what states do best: to solve the people’s problems at the state level. Empowerment, not entitlement
Source: 2011 Faith and Freedom Conference , Jun 4, 2011

If states don’t want to do anything about it they can reap what they sow.


123 posted on 10/10/2011 11:26:52 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: All
"Earlier today, at the Values Voters Summit in Florida, Perry vehemently declared that he will not support any type of amnesty policy for "those who have broken our laws to get here"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2789707/posts

Perry Comes Out Swinging on Illegal Immigration in Iowa Rick Perry Report ^ | Oct 8, 2011 | Joe Hyde

124 posted on 10/10/2011 11:29:18 PM PDT by TexMom7
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To: TexMom7

I heard a report on the radio the other morning. Within just a couple days after that Federal judge upheld most of the Alabama immigration law, *hundreds* of children were withdrawn from just *one* local school. It seems tens of thousands of illegals are on their way *out* of Alabama already. (But to where, who knows?)

Simply “enforcing the law” leads to a very beautiful thing called “self-deportation.” This can happen at the national level also, with the right leadership in Washington.


125 posted on 10/10/2011 11:30:11 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Jedidah

He has said a lot of good things. His “record” of saying things looks like a conservative’s dream.

Of course, he was a conservative talk show host. Rush Limbaugh also has a “record” that would be a conservative’s dream.

The question is, can we look at what he DID as a president of a company, or as a director, and see how he actually applies his principles?

For example, we know that he is a strong supporter of the FairTax (something I am at best lukewarm about). But he’s pushing 9-9-9. It’s because he says that is what he can accomplish now, and he can work it into a FairTax at a later time. The 9-9-9 imposes a national sales tax while we still have an income tax, something a lot of conservatives are extremely nervous about. Cain wins, gets 9-9-9, then an Obama wins next, and it’s a 15-15-15, or worse, they bring back the full income tax “for the very rich”.

But more interestingly, why is it that Cain is pushing this compromise plan? Because he thinks it is what he can pass in the short term? Because he really likes it? Because it can get more support among voters than the plan he actually wants? Is this a sign of political waffling? He is a smart man, but we know smart people often think that compromise is a great idea (see Gingrich for example).

Running a company under the auspices of a parent company also involves making many compromises. It’s not a place where you really can see how a person applies principles.

I think Cain will stick to what he says, although his record of saying things isn’t all that long. For example, do a google search, and find the oldest quote you can from Cain about his pro-life position.

Maybe there are people who would tell us he was pro-life in the 1990s. Or maybe not. We KNOW Romney was pro-choice in the 1990s, because we have him on record. How do we know if Cain used to have a different position, when he has only been making public comments recently?

I can prove I have been pro-life my entire life, because I was actively involved with pro-life organizations while I was still in high school. I can cite my correspondence trying to get into the Latter-Days Ministries program, I attended walk for life rallies, I passed out leaflets.

Do we have a record of Cain that would include anything like that? It would be helpful, since he hasn’t been a public official so we don’t have a voting record, to see how in his private life he acted out on his convictions.

Maybe his book has some evidences from his private life. I’ll have to read it.


126 posted on 10/10/2011 11:30:18 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TexMom7

From what I heard, Herman Cain’s 999 plan is phased in in two parts. The second part abolishes the income tax altogether. There will be no more income tax. No more payroll tax, no more capital gains tax and you should go read from his site the 999 plan yourself.


127 posted on 10/10/2011 11:32:11 PM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: Jedidah

Here’s an off-topic scary thing. When doing what I mentioned we should do, I went to a NARAL pro-choice site ranking Cain on abortion, and they had three links for his positions. The third was supposed to be his 2004 senate campaign, and the actual link took me to the FreeRepublic discussion of his 2004 senate campaign.

So yes, even NARAL uses FreeRepublic as an authoritative resource.


128 posted on 10/10/2011 11:33:21 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Not sure source is the right word. More like ‘archive’.


129 posted on 10/10/2011 11:35:52 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Netizen
Perry he can give the illegals all the education and healthcare he wants as long as Texans pay for it with no money coming from the feds.

Money is fungible, so the only way that would work is if pro-illegal states received not one single penny for anything in federal money. In other words, never gonna happen....

Immigration is a federal issue. We cannot allow some states to act as magnets for illegal aliens. Eventually, those illegals who flood into pro-illegal states, end up spilling over into other states as well.

130 posted on 10/10/2011 11:36:35 PM PDT by kevao
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To: beancounter13
Here is a link to a discussion about Herman Cain here at FreeRepublic, when he was running for the Senate. A lot of freepers loved him, including a few you will recognize as palin supporters today.

They were certain that even though he didn't have the money of Isakson, he was getting popular, and would shine in the debates.

Unfortunately, in the end his campaign wasn't able to translate solid conservatism, good debate performances, and his business credentials into a primary victory.

Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade

This is also currently the earliest reference I can find to Cain speaking about abortion publicly. There could well be earlier ones. I'm still looking into Cain as a candidate to support.

131 posted on 10/10/2011 11:37:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: TexMom7

Sounds like Dim Rick is running away from his earlier comments about possible legalization for illegals.

Numbers USA ranks all the candidates on immigration. Bachman is best with a B minus. Obama gets an F minus. Perry a D minus for his opposition to a fence, in-state tuition for illegal aliens, opposition to e-verify and support for some kind of legalization program (amnesty).

Also worth noting that John McCain swore his vehement opposition to Amnesty, despite having his own name on the biggest amnesty bill in human history. The dodge was that his legalization came with a token fine and some paperwork...so it was not in his view really an amnesty per se. Similar deal with Dim Rick as an earlier poster noted.


132 posted on 10/10/2011 11:39:19 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (PERRY - Special Needs for Special Times)
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To: kevao

Yeah, which is which is why it is so sad when states give illegals benefits, free health care and educations. In the ling run it hurts the rest of the country. Alabama has it right!


133 posted on 10/10/2011 11:41:00 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Meet the New Boss; bullypulpit

MNB, You don’t document anything. Amnesty is a federal matter, and you know it. If you don’t like Perry, that’s fine, but be honest. Word games are for liberals, stop acting like one.


134 posted on 10/10/2011 11:43:03 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Stamping your feet and putting your fingers in your ears and pretending that Perry didn’t say exactly what I quoted him from his own document will not accomplish anything.


135 posted on 10/10/2011 11:45:35 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: bullypulpit; Meet the New Boss

Meet the New Boss likes to snag unsuspecting freepers. When he gets called out, he can’t back up his claims. It’s a pattern of his, and he doesn’t seem to care.


136 posted on 10/10/2011 11:46:54 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"How do we know if Cain used to have a different position, when he has only been making public comments recently?"

Here is how you know where Herman Cain's heart is, here is his position: Herman Cain I MUST TELL JESUS>

And here:Herman Cain Gospel Songs, Very Inspirational!!

And for those who keep saying Herman Cain likes romney that dog just wont hunt. Herman Cain w Mike Huckabee

Take a Ride on The Cain Train!

137 posted on 10/10/2011 11:48:28 PM PDT by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: TexMom7

For those who have not yet bought Herman Cain’s new book, this was included in the book on immigration:

“Our new vision means immigration through the front door and not through the back door or the side door. This nation was built on immigrants. Legal immigrants. And if we attack the right problem, actually we have four problems rather than one. We’ve got to secure the border, we’ve got to enforce the laws that are already in place, we’ve got to promote the path to citizenship that is in place. Why don’t you ask the millions of people who have come here legally? They’ll tell you about the path. And then the fourth thing that we have to do in order to deal with the nation’s illegals that are already here is to realize that the federal government is not going to solve the problem. In our new vision we will empower the states to solve the problem of those who are here illegally. That’s how we take care of that problem.”

Cain, Herman. This Is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House (pp. 218-219). Pocket Books. Kindle Edition.

He says:

1. We’ve got to secure the border,
2. we’ve got to enforce the laws that are already in place,
3. we’ve got to promote the path to citizenship that is in place.
4. we will empower the states to solve the problem of those who are here illegally.

The fourth point is key. The Perrybots often repeat the talking point that the only choice is round them all up and deport them en masse or else legalize them.

NO. Support things at the state level like what Arizona and Alabama are doing in eliminating employment of illegals and denying them benefits and there will be self-deportation.

And I (this is MTNB talking) believe we all need to lobby Congress for a law reversing the Supreme Court decision requiring the states to give K-12 education to foreign nationals in the country illegally. That decision was dealing with a Texas state law. If we get a law passed at the federal level, which is entitled under the Constitution to make law on immigration, I believe the Supreme Court would defer and the earlier ruling would no longer apply.


138 posted on 10/10/2011 11:56:11 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: beancounter13
La Raza Rick's pro-ILLEGAL alien past deserves far more than just a 'red flag' for his 'heartless' comment.

No mention of taxpayer subsidized instate tuition and financial aid for ILLEGAL aliens or amnesty?

Perry's a pro-ILLEGAL alien candidate. That's not a red flag, it's a non-starter.

139 posted on 10/10/2011 11:57:33 PM PDT by South40 (Reject the pro-ILLEGAL candidate. Vote conservative -- vote for Herman Cain!)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Both have pluses and minuses. Will take either over Romney who is ALL minus."

DITTO:
We should not split our vote with these two or Romney wins.

140 posted on 10/10/2011 11:57:46 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: smoothsailing
When he gets called out, he can’t back up his claims.

Which claim did I not back up?

Care to say? Hmmmm?

I have documented that Perry supports amnesty.

Amnesty is allowing people who have broken the law to not have to pay the penalty called for by the law.

Legalizing the legals = Amnesty.

141 posted on 10/10/2011 11:58:41 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: lonestar
Honestly, I was more impressed with Cain two weeks ago. Now that I have seen more of him it's the same things over and over.

That is just how it goes for those of us watching the race closely. The candidates get asked the same few things over and over and they attempt to give the same answers in an increasingly adept way. By the time the voting starts they will have their lines well learned and many people will be seeing those lines delivered for the first time and make their choices then. The folks who have to worry are the die-hard Perry supporters since he has not yet demonstrated the ability to improve his poorly-articulated answers.

142 posted on 10/11/2011 12:00:28 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Steve Van Doorn
DITTO: We should not split our vote with these two or Romney wins.

DITTO: We should all vote for Cain, lest Romney wins. I'm down with that.

143 posted on 10/11/2011 12:01:39 AM PDT by kevao
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To: TexMom7
"Earlier today, at the Values Voters Summit in Florida, Perry vehemently declared that he will not support any type of amnesty policy for "those who have broken our laws to get here"

This is Slick Rick at his finest!

He always takes the position that "amnesty" when he is talking means "voting rights."

So in his mind, if we legalize the illegals, but don't give them voting rights, it's not amnesty!

But people who don't talk like double-talking professional politicians know that amnesty means taking someone who has broken the law and deciding not to enforce the penalty required by law.

144 posted on 10/11/2011 12:05:04 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: lonestar
I was referring to the interview ...his response was confusing.

I like Cain and I've been watching him closely. I have seen him flub some questions but I do think he's improving and he seems not to flub the same question over and over.

145 posted on 10/11/2011 12:05:32 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: beancounter13
Perry has been in less that 10 weeks, and people will not move past the 'heartless' comment.

It is way worse than that. Perry should have known that he would be asked about social security, Gardasil, and in-state tuition for illegals in the first debate and yet he flubbed all three answers. Then he flubbed all three answers again in the second debate. Then he did it again in the third debate. It is hard to overstate how incompetent this is.

146 posted on 10/11/2011 12:12:02 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: RitaOK
Well, we’ve certainly proved our willingness to elect a wordsmith with no experience in governance before, I’ll hand you that.

Why do you pretend that Cain does not have decades of non-governmental experience?

147 posted on 10/11/2011 12:16:54 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

I think I would go nuts if I ran for office! I can’t think of anything worse than saying the same things over and over for months on end!


148 posted on 10/11/2011 12:23:22 AM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar
Use of a liberal term (“insensitive”) in referring to a racial accusation before the facts were revealed......

Insensitive is not liberal, if he called it racist that would be liberal. He answered the question put to him, if he didn't people would be saying he's avoiding the question...I liked his answer, Cain acting grown up and politically incorrect...not afraid to answer after having the race card thrown at him by some idiot reporter. Meant to embarrass him, wonder what the other candidates would say to that question, but of course they will not be asked it, they are white....and it might embarrass them to answer. That is having the race card played against Cain because of his race...

149 posted on 10/11/2011 12:35:49 AM PDT by goat granny
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To: Jedidah

Yep......either that or they really haven’t listen to what he says....


150 posted on 10/11/2011 12:37:54 AM PDT by goat granny
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