Skip to comments.Free Republic Sacrilege: Why Perry is the Conservative and Cain is Not
Posted on 10/10/2011 9:30:26 PM PDT by beancounter13
Has a firearm, a CCL, and he uses them.
Has a long history of 2nd Amendment support:
Thinks gun control should be left to the state and local governments placing him at odds with Heller and McDonald.
Perry signed into law a regulation would have required women seeking an abortion to view a sonogram and listen to the fetus's heartbeat while a doctor rattled off a detailed description of the fetus's anatomical development — and then forcibly ponder their decision for an additional 24 hours before an abortion could be performed.
Pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception.
Gay Marriage (note the so-called 'flip-flop' actually serves to showcase Perry's support of the 10th Amendment)
Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage – a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states' rights that he was fine with New York's approval of same-sex marriage.
Supports traditional marriage, support traditional marriage
Global Warming / Cap & Trade
Long history of fighting the EPA as Texas Governor:
[The EPA] relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists' own e-mails ....
I don't believe global war-- global warming is real. Do we have climate change? Yes. Is it a crisis, no. And this is why I strongly oppose the-- the cap in trade
Use of a liberal term (“heartless”) while discussing an issue (in-state tuition for residents of non-citizens).
Use of a liberal term (“insensitive”) in referring to a racial accusation before the facts were revealed.
As for myself, after spending a few hours trying to get to know Mr. Cain, I have come to the conclusion that he knows his talking points, but I have not found much substance.
The CNN interview from last June was very illuminating in the lack of depth of his knowledge as far as conservative issues are concerned.
I will continue to watch over the next few months. I have time before I have to make a decision.
BTW, this is my first new thread. I hope it works....
Both have pluses and minuses. Will take either over Romney who is ALL minus.
I’ve watched many of the interviews that you’ve cited. Cain was in the hotseat and firmly managing the situation well.
On another interview (with John Stossel, I believe) he went further on abortion and stated that he didn’t even support abortion in the case of rape.
Sometimes when I listen to Cain I can seriously relate. It’s how I feel when I’m talking to my teenagers.
“What part of ‘no’ do you not understand?” Cain will not support abortion and will go out of his way to support traditional marriage.
As far as the gun rights thing: It’s been debated ad nauseum already here on FR. What little limits on gun rights that there should be (not giving guns to felons) should be the perview of the states, not the federal gov’t.
Cain was right on that.
I certainly agree with that!
I call for NO IBTZ.
Slap to the back of duh head...maybe...at best.
Both guys are conservatives. There are things about each that I like and that I dislike.
The main goal needs to be stopping Obama, and the first step in that process is to defeat Romney. I'll gladly support whichever one of them can pull that off.
Having lived in Texas for years, and watching Perry’s actions from year to year, we’re kinda screwed in this race.
I’ll echo JimRob; either will do... I guess.
By the time the election rolls around I’m sure I’ll be to the point of not actually voting FOR someone yet again.
Regardless, saying something like “Perry is the conservative” is a rather bold statement.
2nd Amendment: Did you perchance listen to the entire answer by Cain?
No onerous restrictions of the kind that will restrict the individual’s right to protect themself... State’s right to gun control where it does not conflict with the above statement, that would be restricting gun sales to felons (who have lost rights).
By the way, you left of some important things on your chart that don’t look so favorable for Perry. Support of individual and family rights (Gardasil); protection of the borders and discouraging illegal immigration rather than encouraging it (tuition for illegals, coming out against Arizona’s attempt to get some control); tendency to campaign one way and govern another.
Pretty sure Perry’s stance on immigration is a little worse than simply a red flag.
Maybe a white flag perhaps?
If Perry is so conservative, why isn’t he out there jumping all over liberals like Cain. For all his many supposed faults, Cain is verbally kicking arse ... Perry is sitting in the shadows. I want a President that speaks out and lets us know were he stands, not shying away from the issues.
I saw the interview with Stossel and Hennigan (?) and frankly, they didn't seem to understand where Cain stood on abortion and I sure couldn't figure out what he meant.
There’s no such thing as a perfect candidate, and ideological purity is impossible, but on the core principles of Conservatism - limited and Constitutional government, strong national defense, reduced government spending, and sensible tax policy - there can be no question that both men are Conservatives.
So, I understand the point of your comparison on the issues you selected, but I feel your subject line just creates unnecessary contention. We need to make Obama a One Term President, first and foremost.
THAT'S the RED FLAG you have for Perry?????
What about legalizing the illegals? Are you IN FAVOR of that? Isn't that by far the biggest red flag about Perry?
What on earth do you think the effect of taking the 20-38 million illegals living here and legalizing them will have on our politics 10 years from now???
Can you say "permanent demographic majority" for the socialists?
” Both have pluses and minuses. Will take either over Romney who is ALL minus. “
Well thanks be to God. I certainly agree on the missions ahead; 1)curb Romney, 2)REMOVING OBAMA! May God be with us and our candidates. We may be cooked if we win (civil unrest), but assuredly we are cooked if we lose (civil unrest).
Cain acting stupidly.
Thanks for the info. My entire purpose of the post was to gain more insight on Cain so I will search for the Stossel interview.
I have a great deal of experience working with CEOs, and I can tell you that all have experience managing the hot seat so that part does not impress me much. In fact, I have learned to read ‘BS’ when I see it. I watched the CNN interview at least 4 times tonight shaking my head each time.
On the 2nd Amendment issue, that interview was in June. In June Cain was pretty hopeless dealing with questions he had not prepared for, and issues he had not thought through. Clearly the question on firearms was in both categories. I would like to see him issue clarification on that - probably he will do so anyway in a debate or subsequent interview.
Personally, I would give him a pass on that interview. Observing him now, how much better prepared he is for gotcha questions, how much more at ease, how much better formed and effective his responses are, I’m very impressed with his progress.
I really doubt that the response he gave reflected a core value. My sense is at that time it was simply something he hadn’t given due consideration to.
I like what you’ve tried to do here.
I’ve come to use an evaluation over the years in how closely a candidate who states they are conservative acutally governs or conducts themselves privately. Honesty (truthfulness), a belief in smaller government, and a governing style that respects the values and concerns of citizens and the US Constitution are just examples.
Some people will say anything to get elected: Mitt Romney is an example.
Rick Perry plays politics to power and has, in the past. involved Texas government in projects that Texans didn’t want.
Neither man exhibit conservative values in action.
Herman Cain will be a gamble. He has a record but it doesn’t involve governing. I have not yet began to conduct research on him and have not formed a solid picture of his stances on issues and how he has lived conservative values.
I know enough about Romney and Perry to know that neither man is presidential timber IMHO.
As I’ve said, this my personal opinion. I’m not debating their worths as potential candidates in the future 2012 race, just relating what I’ve found and why I will not vote for either man.
Native Texan, here. Stood a few feet away from Perry when he commandeered our first TEA Party in Arlington. He struck me as chameleon-like. Illegal issue is a big fail from him. I stand with Cain, at least for now.
Considering my rather short list, Perry would be “100% Conservative”. I know there are other issues to be considered.
Yep. Let’s train the big guns on Romney first. When he’s out of the race, then we can debate who’s more conservative and a better nominee.
You didn’t contrast their positions on immigration. Any particular reason why you didn’t do that?
Actually, I did, and that bothered me as much as his other answers. He obviously knew that he was supposed to say that he "supported the 2nd Amendment", but the rest of it made me wonder whether he understood the 2nd Amendment.
Being from Texas, I have a different perspective, but to me, "the right ... shall not be infringed" has a very specific meaning.
I understand that it was awkward. He was struggling not to give the media a soundbite to bash him with. In the end, he did flat-out state that he didn’t believe in abortion even in the event of rape.
Anyone who can say “I have not found much substance” in reference to Herman Cain simply loses all credibility.
“I have come to the conclusion that he knows his talking points, but I have not found much substance. “
You mean like when Perry calls social security a ponzi scheme but doesn’t have a plan to deal with the problems?
Please see my post #28
He is learning fast and getting better at managing the press. He learned form the ‘insensitive’ comment.
I am going to congratulate you for the best Rick Perry post for today. No, the week. Thanks!
Rick Perry is absolutely NOT a conservative. His stand on illegal immigration, his paternalistic vaccine mandate, and many other issues show that he’s a statist.
“He is learning fast and getting better at managing the press. He learned form the insensitive comment.”
Fortunately only beltway insiders care about the Sunday morning talk shows. What really counts are the prime time debates.
What happened to the “illegals” catagory?
Look who's spreading misinformation. Of course, I will supply a reference to back it up. Rick Perry does not support amnesty or the DREAM act.
The federal DREAM Act is an amnesty bill, and I strongly oppose amnesty. The Texas educational residency bill was vastly different. -Rick Perry
So you’re acknowledging that Cain is a liberal, are you?
Maybe this will help.
Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasn't an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you don't infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you don't infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that starts with the life of the unborn. Source: , May 1, 2011
Life begins at conception, period
I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone I would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side.
I'm a Christian, I've been a Christian all my life. I've been a believer in the Bible since I was 10 years old. I'm very active in my church, and there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.
Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get elected--not rewrite those documents. Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011
No IBTZ from me. I think you did just fine.
I am not excited about ANY of our candidates. I had already picked my candidate and she decided to to run.
I will remain supporting “none of the above” for now and I hope to decide sooner rather than later.
Thank you for your post.
Maybe because he chooses to fight the real RINO of the bunch, and we know who that is.
I don’t know, I’ve had a check in the gut with Cain from nearly the get go. Maybe it’s like the Left’s answer was all rhetoric Obama from no where, and now the Right’s answer is all the great rhetoric Cain from almost no where. The mutual admiration society between Cain and Romney holds weight with me and it says something. Can’t put my finger on it. Whatever it is, it all sure seems to be aimed squarely at Perry.
I prefer Perry’s experience, but Anybody but Romney and Obama.
Truth is, we never really had a Republican presidential candidate who was tough on illegals since Eisenhower.
‘coming out against Arizonas attempt to get some control”
That is not true. He was against only “one” part of Arizona’s Immigration Bill. And Arizona changed that part after Perry said what he did.
Perry supported Brewer in the Federal Lawsuit along with our Texas Attorney General.
Perry, signed the dream act.
How would he handle immigration...as a border state governor right now?
How does Cain feel about affirmative action.
Will he release his college transcripts? Now?
There is no voting record to judge him by.
I'm sure the MSM will vet him a lot more than Obama ever was but I would like it before the primary vote...not after.
I want to know everything I need to know BEFORE I vote in the primary...he is the least known.
No, doc said Cain is jumping all over liberals, like the OWS goons.