Skip to comments.Free Republic Sacrilege: Why Perry is the Conservative and Cain is Not
Posted on 10/10/2011 9:30:26 PM PDT by beancounter13
Has a firearm, a CCL, and he uses them.
Has a long history of 2nd Amendment support:
Thinks gun control should be left to the state and local governments placing him at odds with Heller and McDonald.
Perry signed into law a regulation would have required women seeking an abortion to view a sonogram and listen to the fetus's heartbeat while a doctor rattled off a detailed description of the fetus's anatomical development — and then forcibly ponder their decision for an additional 24 hours before an abortion could be performed.
Pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception.
Gay Marriage (note the so-called 'flip-flop' actually serves to showcase Perry's support of the 10th Amendment)
Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage – a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states' rights that he was fine with New York's approval of same-sex marriage.
Supports traditional marriage, support traditional marriage
Global Warming / Cap & Trade
Long history of fighting the EPA as Texas Governor:
[The EPA] relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists' own e-mails ....
I don't believe global war-- global warming is real. Do we have climate change? Yes. Is it a crisis, no. And this is why I strongly oppose the-- the cap in trade
Use of a liberal term (“heartless”) while discussing an issue (in-state tuition for residents of non-citizens).
Use of a liberal term (“insensitive”) in referring to a racial accusation before the facts were revealed.
Fair enough. Can we agree to cut Perry the same level of slack on his "heartless" comment?
While Cain has been campaigning since last December, Perry only got in last August. National politics are a little different than those here in Texas. We still have a few conservative Dems in this state --not many, of course.
“Fair enough. Can we agree to cut Perry the same level of slack on his “heartless” comment?”
The problem for Perry was that he used that term to defend a liberal policy.
Thanks, that's important to know.
Please, don’t put words in my mouth ... I asked a legitimate question. A question that needs to be asked. And no, I don’t think Cain is a liberal.
I can certainly agree. I am not 'all about Rick Perry'. I do not believe anybody should be all about any one candidate. Our 3 branches of government were formed to prevent such tyranny.
I also trust legislatures and congress to keep the executives in line.
Ugh. I see. It’s definitely past my bedtime. Thanks for the clarification. Good night all.
No, this is Rick Perry on the record in his own words issued directly from the Governor's Office:
Legitimizing" the "economic contributions of illegals by giving them the right to live here IS AMNESTY.
That Rick Perry believes he can out of one side of his mouth say we should give legal status to the illegals in the United States and out of the other side of his mouth say he does not favor "amnesty" just shows what a typical double-talking politician he is.
This is just as dishonest as Bush-McCain-Kennedy and the other cheerleaders for "comprehensive immigration reform" claiming that their bill to legalize the illegals was "not amnesty" because they would require the illegals to pay a small fine.
And then we discovered buried in the fine print were provisions providing mucho tax dollars to organizations such as National Council of La Raza, so even this small fine was not what it appeared.
This double-talk just shows that Perry thinks we're stupid, just like Bush and McCain and Kennedy.
If President Rick Perry legally gives the right to live in the U.S. to people who have broken our laws and invaded our country by the millions and are costing us tens of billions of dollars every year in our schools, emergency rooms, jails and prisons, court system, welfare system, identity theft, gang activity, drunk-driving deaths and untold other social costs, then THAT IS AMNESTY.
And Perry says he will legalize them, but not give them citizenship? Who really believes that? Does anyone here really believe modern America and the vast liberal media-academic-entertainment industrial complex will be okay with imposing a permanent "second-class citizen" status on a huge block of people?
Betting the ranch on that is like expecting to fill a royal flush, which only happens in the movies.
You repeatedly make that same claim, even though you know it's not true. Why do you do that?
Sorry, doc. See my post 50. My bad. Good night.
I understand he is against abortion...I was referring to the interview ...his response was confusing.
Correction. Post 57. I’m really going to bed now. : )
Perry stood, no, jumped on his unit with regards to the illegals instate tuition.Non starter for us here in Georgia.We think Alabamas laws are just what the country needs.I just dont trust perry like I trust Cain.I’m going with the rocket scientist.
Wouldn't have anything to do with him speaking to different groups of people or answering questions from different reporters on the same topics, would it? I know, call me crazy.
Because, aside from signing a residency bill for in-state tuition, there really isn't an issue?
The in-state residency is something Texans were going to have to deal with anyway: they were already here (at least 3 years), we could not deport them (Feds rule), and it was a way of ensuring that they would apply for citizenship.
Please see post #37.
ISSUE: In-State Tuition for Illegal Aliens
PERRY: Thinks tuition rates should be left to the state and local governments, placing him at odds with the majority of non-illegal aliens.
Excellent post. Perry is toast because of his debate performances and the right, myself included, will not tolerate another RINO. Cain-much to my surprise, will be the nominee and next POTUS. My dog could beat Obama at this point.
Perry is a true fiscal and social conservative and a strong proponent of state's rights and limited government. He has a successful executive governing record in Texas and has worked hard to keep his state competitive in creating jobs, keeping taxes low with restraints on spending. Along with passing serious tort reform and reductions in regulations. Perry also closed down ALL the Planned Parenthood abortion on demand clinics throughout Texas.
Cain is a political neophyte. He has no governing or legislative record to judge him on. Therefore in order to draw a distinction between himself and the other candidates, Cain came up with his 999 tax plan and his Chilean plan for SocSec. Both are gimmicks or political ploys and neither one will see the light of day for obvious reasons.
I would love to go to a Bildeberger meeting...even as a fly on the wall.
Does that make me a Bildeberger? I can't imagine anybody NOT going if given a chance.
But I'll never be invited...and Perry hasn't been invited back.
I guess he called them "Heartless."
And I'm a nobody!
That is a matter of opinion. IMHO, Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, and it will take more that one view to resolve it.
It has been running for far too long.
The point is he speaks in soundbites.
Regardless, saying something like Perry is the conservative is a rather bold statement.
Perry is a conservative on most things,however, I think he is also a pragmatist and will do whatever he think he need to, but be as conservative as he can, however,I like Cain better each time I hear him speak, at least for now, plenty of time yet
You mean like that one he uttered from the podium at the Values Voters conference?
Funny how people can give Cain a chance at the ol' learning curve even though he has been a declared candidate since December.
Perry has been in less that 10 weeks, and people will not move past the 'heartless' comment.
The two comments are equally bad when you think about the ramifications.
He was invited one time to speak on state vs federal relations along with the governor of Kansas at that time.
Both were governors of states effected by nafta at that time.
He went and gave a speech one time. He did not use taxpayers money to do it. and that was it.
He is not a member.
He is not a globalist.
Even Ron Paul will tell you that.
Make sure every day you find something to dislike in a potential Republican candidate.
Make sure you help reelect Obama.
So you decided to offer illegal aliens in-state tuition to give them an incentive to apply for citizenship? LMAO!
How about the hundreds of thousands of foreigners overseas, who have been patiently waiting in line for years, jumping through all the hoops to apply for *legal* entry into the USA. Does Texas offer them or their kids in-state tuition?
Is it any wonder when some of them ask, Just why are we doing this "the right way" again? When those who break the law and jump to the head of the line are rewarded for thwarting the law and we're left with jack $hit?
No, no perverse incentive there, my FRiend....
Secondly, let's promote the path to citizenship that's already there. We don't need a new one, we just need to clean up the bureaucracy that's slowing the process down and discouraging people.
The third thing we need to do, enforce the laws that are there, and the way we do it, empower the states. I believe that the people closest to the problem are the best ones to be able to solve that problem. Empower the states to do what the federal government hasn't done, can't do, and won't do. This is how we solve the entire problem.
A: America has got to learn how to take a joke. But allow me to give you my real solution to the immigration problem. I happen to believe that is four problems.
Americans do resent, however, the willingness of some to circumvent our laws and enter our nation illegally. While many, if not most, illegal immigrants are peaceful people simply seeking to provide for their families, some are not. In fact, some are quite dangerous, jeopardizing the safety and well-being of American citizens.
Illegal immigration also puts a tremendous strain on America's entitlement and health care systems. In fact, several hospitals in the U.S. have declared bankruptcy as a result of the costs of caring for illegal immigrants.
We must secure our borders, enforce our laws and promote the existing path to citizenship.ÿ
The Immigration Bill was supposed to be good compromise legislation. It is just bad legislation with different agendas glued together, while not emphasizing enough of the public's number one priority - the fence! Not just wire, wood and concrete, but all the technologies we have available to stop the rampant inflow of illegal aliens into this country.
GAD. Do you have a clue? He appeared there to speak on “STATES RIGHTS AND FEDERALISM”. Perry is known far and wide as a states rights man. What’s your guy done for states rights lately? Actually, EVER?
Not liberal for Texas. Please research the issue, and see my post #37.
Well, I think you did a fine job getting a thread up on FR. Thank you.
I think you have given an interesting presentation for those who have not decided yet who they want to support. It always help to visualize things in side by side tables like that.
And you are right... we have lots of smart people here at Free Republic who can provide information to make a point if and when necessary.
Thank you for your work!
It did post, you did well. I’ve been flamed unmercifully for saying that Cain could have given a more measured, neutral and less inflamatory response on the Perry hunting camp thing. He lashed out before he even knew the facts of the matter. And now, to add to the silliness, we have the preacher and Mormon thing... just silly.
My gut told me to be wary of Cain when he gave his announcement speech. It was just to much of a sing-song camp meeting delivery and to make it worse he toned all that down later trying to become the everyman. Someone must have advised him he was looking a little too... dare I say it? Hyphenated-American. There, that may have been nice enough.
I gave him serious benefit of doubt and read as much as I could in the time I have had. I like a lot of what he says. I’m wary of the 9-9-9 deal for specific reasons... mostly not enough clarity to evaluate accurately but what I have done I don’t like since it whacks me in retirement after having paid through the nose while working by treating my investment income and sales taxes to amount to more than my planned capital gain income.
I’m no huge Perry fan because of the blunders he has made over the Guardasil, the in state tuition, the border fence position and the Trans Texas Corridor but he might just shake the place up.
I hate to think that AGAIN we will have to vote for the least objectionable candidate. But, that is a relatively easy choice with obastard running.
“...placing him at odds with the majority of non-illegal aliens. “
huh? The legislature of Texas would beg to differ there, kevao. Were you speaking of the “majority” of four, (count ‘em, ONLY four) representatives who opposed? What was he suppose to do as governor with only four opposed? GAD.
No. In one debate he suggested that those that disagreed with him were racists and basing their objections on the sound of someone's last name. Then in the next debate he said that those that disagreed with him were heartless.
It should be obvious that Cain has been cultivating his political positions, and defaults to States’ Right when in doubt.
Best that Cain avoid the damn establishment and not cozy up to Romney. Favoring Romney over Perry is idiotic.
Perry = Shamnesty. He’s a Hispandering idiot.
A most excellent post!
Exactly how does 9-9-9 "whack" you more in retirement? What marginal rates do you currently pay on your various sources of income?
” Cain-much to my surprise, will be the nominee and next POTUS. “ <<<
Well, we’ve certainly proved our willingness to elect a wordsmith with no experience in governance before, I’ll hand you that.
From your fingers to God's ears.
Was it Lenin or Stalin who said if you repeat it enough it becomes true?
No one who has ever run for president will be more against amnesty than Perry. First, he’s dealing with the trouble with illegals as a border state policy making executive, and more importantly a budgetary standpoint, for 11 years. Second, he’s almost been destroyed (unfairly) because he failed to bow and kneel at the alter of the black helicopter crowd with his offering of a few million Mexican hides. He learned his lesson well, I’m sure.
You really think Perry will put forth an amnesty program after all of this? Come on!
I’m sorry, but that’s offensive.
” Perry was invited to be a speaker.” <<<
His topic was “STATES RIGHTS AND FEDERALISM”.
I asked some Cain supporters yesterday some questions and got no answers. So I did some research and this is what I have found so far. I answered my own questions.
(If it is wrong - let me know because I know being for Perry there is a lot of disinformation out there)
Question: Was he an advisor or a formal Reserve Chairman in Kansas City 92-96?
Reserve Bank of Kansas and served in the roles of deputy chairman and then chairman of the board from 92 -96.
I read that he was not for doing an audit on the Federal Reserve? True or not true
Answer: true but changed later
First quote I found:
The Federal Reserve already has so many audits, its ridiculous. I dont know why people think were gonna learn this great amount of information by auditing the Federal Reserve
Later he changed his mind:
About 4 weeks later he said he would be for it but it wasnt a priority.
Question: Was he for TARP?
Answer: Yes. He endorsed TARP Bailout. He said nationalizing banks is not a bad thing. and
no valid criticism had been brought forward of the extraordinary intervention in the economy.
Question: What is the Aquila Board of Directors? Legal Action? Shareholders lost millions? What is this all about?
This one needs more research.
But definitely 5 lawsuits in 2004 against Aquila Board of Directors in which Cain and other Company Officials are listed. Suits mingled into a single class action suit. Settled in 2005 for 10.5 million.
Violation: federal law requiring that employers manage employees retirement programs responsibly
I just watched clip of debate and he had no answer to Afghanistan. Then saw another clip of an interview and he had done some research and had more info but he still offered no ideas.
I have these major problems with him:
My taxes go up under his 9-9-9 plan.
Him saying he would not support Perry if nominated.
And pulled race card regarding the rock against Perry before he knew the facts.
It is so easy to say I will do this and I will do that for someone who has never held any type of office that they have to deal with legislatures/congress.
When Romney’s out of the race? That will not likely happen till very late in the game, and by design. The GOP is changing delegate acquisition rules this cycle, such that March primary states must award delegates proportionally. Any state insisting on winner takes all cannot have their primary till April. The overall effect of this will be to drag out the uncertainty, which in turn will favor endurance candidates, which translates to candidates with big money. They are trying to rig the table for Romney, and he will not go away until he is dragged kicking and screaming from the convention. IMHO.
You just lost all credibility. Which one of those two is a professional politician, and has been for decades? *rolling eyes*
And Hank Williams Jr. has just cut a new song "Keep The Change" It's awesome!! "Keep The Change" - Hank Jr."
Jumpin on the Cain Train!!
So far, I really don’t see any guy or gal for that matter that has earned my vote. So—there.