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So many U.S. manufacturing jobs, so few skilled workers
Reuters ^ | October 12, 2011 | Lucia Mutikani

Posted on 10/12/2011 5:08:06 PM PDT by decimon

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. manufacturers are failing to fill thousands of vacant jobs, surprising when 14 million people are searching for work.

Technology giant Siemens Corp., the U.S. arm of Germany's Siemens AG , has over 3,000 jobs open all over the country. More than half require science, technology, engineering and math-related skills.

Other companies report job vacancies that range from six to 200, with some positions open for at least nine months.

Manufacturing is hurt by a dearth of skilled workers.

"What we have been saying for quite a while is that even though there is a high unemployment rate, it's very difficult to find skilled people," said Jeff Owens, president of ATS, a manufacturing consulting services company.

A survey by ManpowerGroup found that a record 52 percent of U.S. employers have difficulty filling critical positions within their organizations -- up from 14 percent in 2010.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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1 posted on 10/12/2011 5:08:08 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

What skills do you require and where do you want them?


2 posted on 10/12/2011 5:10:53 PM PDT by allmost
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To: decimon

We have millions of Mexicans crossing the border and discovering the wonders of indoor plumbing and toilet paper and they say we lack skilled workers?? The shills!


3 posted on 10/12/2011 5:11:11 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: decimon
We have tens of thousands of foreign students graduating with technical degrees every year. If you are an engineer and over 50 it is almost impossible to find work.

I simply don't believe this report.

4 posted on 10/12/2011 5:12:28 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: decimon

If they are not allowed to import skilled foreigners to fill them they will likely move their firms overseas... just saying


5 posted on 10/12/2011 5:17:15 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: decimon

I can believe this. My brother’s company has been trying to hire a PHP programmer for ages. The hiring bonus being offered keeps climbing, it’s now $5000, paid after the first 90 days. They’ve had 2 applicants, neither of whom bothered to even show up for their interviews.

Even worse than the lack of skilled workers, I think, is the lack of work ethic. Those few employees with a strong, honest work ethic are worth their weight in gold, but are becomming rarer and rarer.


6 posted on 10/12/2011 5:18:04 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: skeeter

I agree with you completely. They won’t hire older workers and the younger ones rarely want to do something that might get them dirty.


7 posted on 10/12/2011 5:18:41 PM PDT by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: skeeter
I simply don't believe this report.

I am suspicious also. I suspect that most of these positions will either not be filled or the organization is trying to hire foreign workers using impossible job qualifications to justify hiring foreign workers.

Last night, a Microsoft evangelist told a group of students that Microsoft had thousands of openings for individuals with a variety of business and computing skills. Organizations are very specific about skills and experience. In former times, firms wanted good generalists with ability to adapt and apply their knowledge. Granted that company needs have changed but the emphasis on very specific skills and experience seems misguided.
8 posted on 10/12/2011 5:18:41 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: skeeter
We have tens of thousands of foreign students graduating with technical degrees every year. If you are an engineer and over 50 it is almost impossible to find work... I simply don't believe this report.

If there are skilled positions going unfilled then the companies would be willing to take on trainees. They are not taking trainees. So the unfilled positions are bogus. The main spokesperson interviewed in the article is a consultant. The companies are deliberately avoiding hiring permanent positions. They do not want to invest training in employees, for whatever reason. The jobs are left unfilled for other reasons, such as so that the companies can open factories overseas and use the unfilled jobs as an excuse, or justify lobbying for more H1-Bs. The article writer must have the intelligence of a fruit fly. He has no clue.

9 posted on 10/12/2011 5:22:58 PM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: decimon
More than half require science, technology, engineering and math-related skills.

And people wonder why this country is being flooded with Chinese, Japanese, and Indians all holding their green cards in hand..........All countries who dare to put education ahead of everything else, including football and basketball.

Where does the U.S. rank on the global scale in terms of high school education levels?

10 posted on 10/12/2011 5:23:58 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: decimon

This is what happens when you refuse to trainer your employees.

They don’t want human workers. They want robotic DRONES.


11 posted on 10/12/2011 5:27:42 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: decimon
"it's very difficult to find skilled people"

They don't NEED no steenkin' skills.....they're in the Union!

12 posted on 10/12/2011 5:27:48 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traviskicks
"If they are not allowed to import skilled foreigners to fill them they will likely move their firms overseas... just saying"

They should move overseas to stay with their firms.


13 posted on 10/12/2011 5:28:33 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Ellendra

Those few employees with a strong, honest work ethic are worth their weight in gold, but are becomming rarer and rarer.

That’s mostly because companies aren’t willing to pay a premium for premium workers.


14 posted on 10/12/2011 5:30:06 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: businessprofessor
using impossible job qualifications to justify hiring foreign workers.

"Impossible Job Qualifications"? And just what would those qualifications be that only foreign workers have? And if there is a legitimacy to your claim then why don't Americans have those qualifications and who's fault is that?

15 posted on 10/12/2011 5:31:30 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (ui)
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To: decimon
This affects my manufacturing company directly.

Just try and hire a setup CNC machinist who can write his own code.

I've come to the conclusion that all anybody under 30 wants for a career is an mediocre office job with an Internet connection so they can Facebook with all the other mediocre people with office jobs.

16 posted on 10/12/2011 5:38:12 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: allmost

I’d love to know where these are and requirements too.


17 posted on 10/12/2011 5:44:21 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: decimon
Manufacturing lost its appeal during the 1990s when companies started moving production to Asian countries like China, in search of cheap labor. But rising wages in China are forcing some companies to bring production back home.

Another result of stupid trade policies that were guaranteed to export US manufacturing plants and jobs to cheap labor nations. When the plants and jobs are exported, we lose the skills and the improvements in manufacturing processes and the stream of new, qualified employees who see career opportunities.

Young people have seen far fewer career opportunities in US manufacturing in recent decades, so all the training, education and skills needed for manufacturing will continue to diminish in the US.

And notice the article does not list all the causes of lost manufacturing so popular around here: the EPA, high corporate taxes, OSHA, etc. The overwhelming reason for lost manufacturing is cheap labor, and that has been the case for several decades now.

18 posted on 10/12/2011 5:49:01 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Ellendra

These companies are relying on bigoted, old-fashioned standards. Instead of insisting on yesterday’s skills like math and engineering, they ought to use this as an opportunity to diversify their workforces with women’s studies, black studies, and queer studies majors. I’m sure that the companies would find them just as capable as computer scientists and the like. /s


19 posted on 10/12/2011 5:51:01 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Last Dakotan

Where’s your shop?

The community college here in Sheridan, WY turns out people who can do exactly that and more. People trained in machining from manual machines to CNC machines, and they’re trained to write G/M code directly as well as using MasterCAM/AutoCAD.


20 posted on 10/12/2011 5:52:18 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: decimon

I started to notice about twenty years ago that companies write very detailed descriptions of requirements that almost no one could possibly have all the requirements. The first screener of all resumes are made by a human resources admin that doesn’t understand a word they are reading and throws out those that don’t have ALL the correct words.


21 posted on 10/12/2011 5:53:56 PM PDT by ully2
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To: decimon

#1 thing I see that young people don’t have that manufacturing shops need are people who understand shop math.

That includes trig.

If someone doesn’t know trig, they have no business in a machine shop, unless they’re simply loading a pallet on a CNC machine and hitting the green button.

You would not believe how many kids get out of high school without geometry or trig.

But they know all about how to put condoms on just about anything that moves.


22 posted on 10/12/2011 5:54:13 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: decimon

It seems to me that, if there are millions of unemployed people and businesses with jobs to fill, but can’t fill them due to not finding people with right skills, that implies a failure of the education system to create skillful people.

It also seems to me that the economy is suggesting that the solution isn’t for businesses to wait for the right people, but that businesses should be involved in creating the right people.

Hire them and train them, then take the tax breaks for training people.


23 posted on 10/12/2011 5:56:30 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: skeeter

It’s probably true.

What has happened over the last 50 years is that businesses have gotten out of training people. They want people to absorb all of the cost, and risk, of getting training and be able to hit the ground running.

It’s very short sighted and a disservice to everybody.


24 posted on 10/12/2011 5:58:56 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: SteveH

This is just about the H1-Bs.


25 posted on 10/12/2011 6:03:51 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: ully2

This is the #1 problem I see in companies today. They have a HR department, and the HR department is using software to scan resumes for human evaluation. The software cleans out anything that isn’t a perfect buzzword match.

Example: I’ve been programming computers since I was 15. I know and have programming in something like 14 languages, not including assemblers.

Do I know all the ins and outs of (I’m going to pick a fashionable recent language) Ruby on Rails? No.

Can I learn it? Yes, in less than a week. After you’ve done as many programming languages as I have, they’re all either re-writes of Pascal/C or Lisp, pick one. Ruby is, I’m sure, just a re-spin of Lisp. All these modern nifty languages are efforts by kids today to make Lisp without the (...) syntax, with the exception of SmallTalk-80. And then there are some languages that are basically re-spins of SmallTalk. Perl always looked like a morphadite mash-up of SNOBOL and Rexx to me, but WTF, right? For many of the Unix crowd, they’re convinced that there were no other languages on mainframes than COBOL.

But for the HR departments... oh, no, that’s not good enough.

I went off on one of our HR people when I worked in the valley. She wrote up a job opening posting that required “three to five years programming Java.” I pointed out that Java had not been out for more than a couple years at that point. She said that was the requirement. I said “Bullcrap” and whipped my phone off the cradle (and I almost never used my phone), called up the hiring manager... who said “WTF?!!” and he went off on the HR drone too. He wanted a position filled, and he was never going to fill it with a posting like that.

Oh, that got me sidewise with HR management - I was “picking on” this poor woman, you see.

I replied that I had a reputation of picking on stupid people.

That really lit things up right there, lemme tell you.


26 posted on 10/12/2011 6:07:59 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: decimon

Well, my 2 cents is that I started working for siemens energy in jan. 2011. It is a very good company to work for so far. They do pay well also. They are still looking for people for an expansion that is happening. You have to go thru a series of tests and interviews, but, if you know your field, you`ll make it...


27 posted on 10/12/2011 6:15:32 PM PDT by NCDave
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To: Last Dakotan

Well, one of my skills is that exactly, held that position many times...They are still some of us around..Take care


28 posted on 10/12/2011 6:15:49 PM PDT by NCDave
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To: wally_bert

Here are a couple of links for those inquiring:

http://www.siemenscharlottecareers.com/index.cfm
http://www.usa.siemens.com/entry/en/index.htm

Hope this helps :)


29 posted on 10/12/2011 6:16:29 PM PDT by NCDave
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To: NVDave

Yes, math is such a lost skill anymore! In college, I worked part-time as a math tutor, and usually was teaching what they should have learned in 6th grade.

I was amazed during a recent training class at work, I had to help a dozen people figure out how to dial the phone. I don’t mean just how to get an outside line, I mean how to dial, period! They kept looking for the “menu” button.


30 posted on 10/12/2011 6:17:10 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“”Impossible Job Qualifications”? And just what would those qualifications be that only foreign workers have? And if there is a legitimacy to your claim then why don’t Americans have those qualifications and who’s fault is that?”

This is a very common trick - to basically tailor the job opening to the very particular set of skills possessed by the H1B applicant that they have in mind has , no matter how weird, useless and/or obscure/obsolete (Java, Cobol, Oracle running on Netware AND CICS, and so on) - and then no one except the H1B applicant has those skills, so they can be hired. I can easily identify these bogus job postings. Only the foolish respond. The company hopes that no one does anyway.


31 posted on 10/12/2011 6:18:43 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

The southern states are pretty good at education of factory workers in there community colleges...a lot of the auto industry got started in the south with the agreement that the state would train x number of people in a trade need in the auto industry...thus when the plant was built people were available..


32 posted on 10/12/2011 6:25:17 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: NVDave

I went off on one of our HR people when I worked in the valley. She wrote up a job opening posting that required “three to five years programming Java.”

A common idiocy. I laughed with my friends in the 90’s about a Visual Basic position requiring 5+ years of experience in VB. I had been using a private beta copy of Visual Basic 1.0 three years earlier.

On the other hand, I once interviewed with a company who challenged my resume’s statement, “I have used almost all publicly available dialects of BASIC”. So, the president of the company asked me if I had used Axolotl (or whatever) BASIC. I looked dumbfounded and sheepishly said that I had never even heard of it, much less used it. He responded “Good - because I just made it up”. I got the job offer.


33 posted on 10/12/2011 6:26:15 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Ellendra
I can believe this. My brother’s company has been trying to hire a PHP programmer for ages. The hiring bonus being offered keeps climbing, it’s now $5000, paid after the first 90 days.

Your joking, right?

34 posted on 10/12/2011 6:27:02 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: Ellendra
I can believe this. My brother’s company has been trying to hire a PHP programmer for ages. The hiring bonus being offered keeps climbing, it’s now $5000, paid after the first 90 days.

Your joking, right?

35 posted on 10/12/2011 6:27:08 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: EVO X

That’s what it was a month or so ago when my brother mentioned it, at least.


36 posted on 10/12/2011 6:45:43 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: Ellendra
That’s what it was a month or so ago when my brother mentioned it, at least.

There is a reason your brother hasn't been able to hire a PHP programer. The salary/bonus is too low..

37 posted on 10/12/2011 6:54:02 PM PDT by EVO X
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To: EVO X

That wasn’t the salary, that was just the hiring bonus. I don’t remember the exact salary but I believe it was in the $30+ per hour range.


38 posted on 10/12/2011 6:57:52 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: EVO X

I remember comparing the salary to the average for php programmers, and it was just a shade higher than the average. But, that conversation was over a month ago. Still, the $5000 was just the hiring bonus.


39 posted on 10/12/2011 6:59:53 PM PDT by Ellendra (God feeds the birds of the air, but he doesn't throw it in their nests.)
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To: NVDave

Great story. You are right, HR people in general are IDIOTS, put there by lazy management so that they really don’t have to manage. It’s a racket.

The other reason IMO is that they don’t want those jobs filled. Why would they when the have the hired schmuck to work a little overtime to get it done? And they keep telling him that ‘no just seems to want the job Bill, but we’re trying to fill it’.


40 posted on 10/12/2011 7:02:17 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: NVDave
Where’s your shop?

Fargo, ND, where the unemployment rate is currently 3.4%

41 posted on 10/12/2011 7:10:09 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: The Antiyuppie; Hot Tabasco

Seminar of how to do run an ad that no one will qualify for so you can bring in a H1B:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Quote from the video:
“Our goal is clearly NOT to find a qualified U.S. worker...”


42 posted on 10/12/2011 7:23:48 PM PDT by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: allmost; skeeter
Congrats, men, your bullshiite detectors are in working order.

An Irish Setter would have few problems in mastering these "highly technical" gigs. This article was obviously written by some typical HR puke who lives to find a reason not to offer employment to skilled white men.

Sneak round the back and you'll find the "exotic" machinery being operated by José, who three weeks ago was living in a refrigerator shipping box on a hillside overlooking Tegucigalpa.

He'll do while HR finds that perfect Asian Transexual who just got a a bogus certificate from the local commercial school. Oh, before I forget, tattoos are now mandatory.

43 posted on 10/12/2011 7:23:56 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Team Obama will not shrink from violence to remain in power. Be ready.)
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To: Ellendra

>I can believe this. My brother’s company has been trying to hire a PHP programmer for ages. The hiring bonus being offered keeps climbing, it’s now $5000, paid after the first 90 days. They’ve had 2 applicants, neither of whom bothered to even show up for their interviews.<

My business partner and I have a business that directly is involved with Hollywood. We placed an ad on Craigslist 4 months ago and received THOUSANDS of replies.

Sorted the applicants and the top 5% of whom we wanted DID NOT SHOW UP. It was unbelievable.

One even ASKED ME to pick him up for the interview..seriously, I am not kidding.


44 posted on 10/12/2011 7:30:39 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: decimon

Thank you, publik skoolz!


45 posted on 10/12/2011 7:48:53 PM PDT by LiteKeeper ("Who is John Galt?")
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To: wally_bert

Do you have a clue yet?. I have this question out here...


46 posted on 10/12/2011 8:40:00 PM PDT by allmost
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To: decimon

This is quite true. There is a huge skills mismatch in our country. Manufacturing is no longer the dirt-under-the-fingernails operation it was decades ago. It’s all highly technical now and requires skills our schools don’t teach well, if at all. Womyns’ Studies and high self-esteem just don’t git ‘er done.


47 posted on 10/12/2011 8:54:26 PM PDT by kevao
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To: decimon
No small wonder...

1. Urine testing
2. Credit Checks
3. Criminal background checks
4. Scouring of social network sites
5. Present employment status

Employers only want people who've never 'colored outside of the lines' and there are not many left.

48 posted on 10/12/2011 10:39:55 PM PDT by ex91B10 (The only option now is mass resistance.)
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To: Ellendra
That wasn’t the salary, that was just the hiring bonus. I don’t remember the exact salary but I believe it was in the $30+ per hour range

It is either be too low for your brothers area or word got out that your brothers company is a crappy place to work..

49 posted on 10/13/2011 3:49:07 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: Last Dakotan
Just try and hire a setup CNC machinist who can write his own code.

I've come to the conclusion that all anybody under 30 wants for a career is an mediocre office job with an Internet connection so they can Facebook with all the other mediocre people with office jobs.

I'm a certified C.N.C, operator and can write and edit programs but am retired and am not looking for a job. If I were, I could probably get one handily and a well paying one at that.

Jobs like that require a solid math ability to even become certified. The emphasis has not been on math in our schools for a number of years.

For an employer to "train" someone in that field would probably require a lot of time and money for them to teach many applicants elementary math that they should have gotten down pat along about the eighth grade or so.

Several years ago, the company I worked for opened up training positions for employees that already worked there. A math test was given to 300 applicants and only 10 passed with a high enough score to even get in the training program that required on shift and off shift college courses and then on the job training. I trained several of the trainees after completion of certification and all did quite well but still 10 out of 300 with elementary math skills, is pathetic.

These are high paying jobs too, if I told you how much I made, many people here wouldn't believe me and all with a high school education and a grasp of mathematics.

50 posted on 10/13/2011 4:23:02 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Citizen Cain is good enough for me! - "refermech")
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