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RASMUSSEN POLL: Cain 29% Romney 29% Gingrich 10%... Developing...
Drudge ^ | 13 Oct 2011

Posted on 10/13/2011 8:20:11 AM PDT by mandaladon

RASMUSSEN POLL: Cain 29% Romney 29% Gingrich 10%... Developing...


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KEYWORDS: 2011polls; cain; gingrich; heartless; perry4th; rasmussen; romney
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To: battletank

To be fair, Perry had 9%. ho hum


The best thing Perry could do for the nation is to endorse Cain, and hand over his organization and war chest.

Of course politicians never do things like that,


151 posted on 10/13/2011 9:30:03 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: heiss

In GOP primaries the number of blacks is low so it has zero effect (e.g. even if 50% of the all black 0.01% GOP primary voters in Iowa vote for him, what is that in total..extra 2 votes?)

Same with New Hampshire too.


152 posted on 10/13/2011 9:30:48 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: battletank

I was a Perry supporter when he first announced, but his debate performances have been awful. Debates aren’t always a big deal, but when they sway THIS many people, they WILL do the same in the general.

Obama could easily win just by Perry’s awful debating. Even Bush was better at debates than Perry.


153 posted on 10/13/2011 9:31:11 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: chilepup
Finally, agreed on Newt. I am not sure he’d settle for second, but it is worth a shot.

When asked if he would accept a VP spot, Gingrich said he would not say no. It probably would depend on who the nominee was, but Cain and Newt like and respect one another.

154 posted on 10/13/2011 9:32:36 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Social Security and Medicare are withheld separately. The plan I linked to states only payroll taxes and I believe that term refers to federal income tax withholding alone.


155 posted on 10/13/2011 9:35:10 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm; Huck

I agree. I have not been a Cain supporter, but I know he has not proposed a VAT. In fact, he’s been pretty clear about it being a point-of-sale sales tax.

I prefer Gingrich, but his negatives scare me.

I want a clear, no wishy-washy position from Cain on LIFE. Pro-Life is not an issue....it is a God-given, unalienable RIGHT.


156 posted on 10/13/2011 9:36:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: USS Alaska; CincyRichieRich

Wow. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?


157 posted on 10/13/2011 9:37:25 AM PDT by lonevoice (The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: Scythian
Maybe all these “Perry” numskulls will finally admit their guy is done for ...


158 posted on 10/13/2011 9:37:39 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Thank you for the concise explanation. One of the pluses of Free Republic!!!


159 posted on 10/13/2011 9:37:39 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: tnlibertarian

It’s a sales tax AND a VAT

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/279761/herman-cains-9-9-9-plan-has-vat-plus-sales-tax-josh-barro


160 posted on 10/13/2011 9:38:27 AM PDT by Huck (The Tea Party supports a Sales Tax and a VAT. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)
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To: Netizen
When asked if he would accept a VP spot, Gingrich said he would not say no. It probably would depend on who the nominee was, but Cain and Newt like and respect one another.

I'll bet that in his executive experiences, Cain's had to deal with a lot of egos. I think he could work well with Newt. I'd love to see the look on Reid's face the day Gingrich enters the Senate chamber as ex officio President of the Senate.

161 posted on 10/13/2011 9:39:12 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: xzins

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/279761/herman-cains-9-9-9-plan-has-vat-plus-sales-tax-josh-barro


162 posted on 10/13/2011 9:39:49 AM PDT by Huck (The Tea Party supports a Sales Tax and a VAT. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)
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To: lonevoice

No wonder the GOP establishment is coming out with guns loaded against the Tea Party. Cain’s meteoric rise, in large part due to the support of many Tea Party folk, has the GOP scared to death. We always knew where we stood with the GOP establishment, and now it is all out in the open. Can Cain weather the coming storm? I kind of think he cain!


163 posted on 10/13/2011 9:40:20 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Prokopton

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/279761/herman-cains-9-9-9-plan-has-vat-plus-sales-tax-josh-barro


164 posted on 10/13/2011 9:40:25 AM PDT by Huck (The Tea Party supports a Sales Tax and a VAT. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)
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To: xzins

Watch Herman’s speech at the Value Voters summit. He said (paraphrasing) that life begins at conception, no exceptions.


165 posted on 10/13/2011 9:41:38 AM PDT by Cato in PA
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/279761/herman-cains-9-9-9-plan-has-vat-plus-sales-tax-josh-barro


166 posted on 10/13/2011 9:44:07 AM PDT by Huck (The Tea Party supports a Sales Tax and a VAT. I don't know whether to laugh or cry.)
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To: jgge

Do not care for democrats.


167 posted on 10/13/2011 9:44:37 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrat)
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To: mandaladon

Remarkably, Cut and Run Paul is nowhere to be found in the top three.....

Take THAT Paulestinians....

Cain/Gingrich

Cain/Bachman

Cain/Santorum

All three combos sound good to me....


168 posted on 10/13/2011 9:45:01 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: USS Alaska

That button is screaming funny!


169 posted on 10/13/2011 9:47:20 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: TexasFreeper2009

He will win NH no matter what happens...he could murder a woman in cold blood and still win NH.

As long as he loses enough of the rest it will be fine.


170 posted on 10/13/2011 9:48:47 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Huck

Screw National Review and their RINO BS.

Vote for friggin’ Romney if you want to buy that BS.


171 posted on 10/13/2011 9:49:53 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: CPT Clay

I’m pretty sure Newt Gingrich is officially listed as a resident of Virginia.


172 posted on 10/13/2011 9:51:42 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Huck

As near as I can tell, the author you linked to is not calling the sales tax a VAT, but is calling the corporate tax a VAT.

He calls is a VAT because Cain’s plan does not allow companies to deduct wages from their gross income prior to that income being taxed.

I’m not sure why that makes a corporate tax a VAT, even though I do think wages are a legitimate business expense and should be deductible from income as a cost of doing business.


173 posted on 10/13/2011 9:52:20 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Way cool!

Total results:

Cain – 29%
Romney – 29%
Gingrich – 10%
Perry – 9%
Paul – 5%
Bachmann – 4%
Santorum – 2%
Huntsman – 2%
Other – 3%
Undecided – 7%

In a two-way race, 43% would prefer Cain and 42% Romney. Cain leads Perry 54% to 29% in a two-man match and Romney leads Perry 54% to 30%.

I happened to catch Bill O’Reilly last night, who keeps saying multiple times per night that Romney’s the nominee and Cain doesn’t have a chance in hell. Last night, Bernie Goldberg told O’Reilly that true blue conservatives do not like Romney. O’Reilly’s response? “That’s a small voting block. There aren’t very many of them.” I think he actually believes that, as do a lot of his ilk. LOL!


174 posted on 10/13/2011 9:53:21 AM PDT by lonevoice (The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: Cato in PA

Most people who acknowledge that life begins at conception also oppose ending that life via abortion. That is not necessarily the case, though. Does Cain oppose abortion for all reasons or are there exceptions, and if so, what are the exceptions?


175 posted on 10/13/2011 9:54:21 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
That's correct. 9-9-9 is a sales tax and a VAT. By eliminating the business deduction for salaries and wages, he's basically imposing a 9% tax on salaries and wages. That's a VAT.

9-9-9 is a corporate tax, a sales tax, an income tax AND a VAT tax. And this is who the Taxed Enough Already party supports? Laughable.

176 posted on 10/13/2011 9:56:07 AM PDT by Huck (9-9-9 is a SALES tax AND a VAT -- read about it at Nat'l Review: http://tinyurl.com/3w9ak3a)
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To: lonevoice

I think if you stand close enough to Bill O’Reilly you can actually hear the ocean...


177 posted on 10/13/2011 9:57:58 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: MNGal

Not only that, but EVERYONE will have some so-called “skin in the game!” Maybe the bottom 50% of earners won’t be so enthusiastic the next time their government wants to raise the taxes, then.

Good Post!


178 posted on 10/13/2011 9:58:19 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
They don't know WHAT their position is, they don't know HOW to attack him. Liberal heads are exploding.

Yep, can't pull out the ole race card.

They are having a full blown hissy fit.

179 posted on 10/13/2011 10:00:24 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Huck

You and this asshat at NRO calling this a VAT doesn’t make it so.


180 posted on 10/13/2011 10:00:24 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: CPT Clay

Newt Gingrich: Gingrich has lived full-time in a McLean, Virginia, home outside of D.C. that he and his wife, Callista, bought in May of 2000

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2792206/posts


181 posted on 10/13/2011 10:02:27 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Huck
Quoting a New York Times columnist, who is one of the most ardent opponents of the FAIR tax, about what his opinion is of Cains business tax doesn't add a lot.

Also, what he said was is that Cain's business tax is different than the usual business tax (duh) and has some elements of a VAT tax.

Nice try.

182 posted on 10/13/2011 10:04:02 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: SeekAndFind

Detail, details. ;>)

I’d be more than happy to help him move.


183 posted on 10/13/2011 10:06:57 AM PDT by Gator113 (~ Just livin' life~)
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To: Huck

So you are calling the 9% corporate tax a sales tax on wages? Is that right?

A corporate tax is generally assumed to be on the profits made by a company. Profits are considered to be gross revenues minus gross expenses. One of the expenses has always been wages. I agree with that. I think wages are a business expense.

Instead, Cain is viewing profit as including wages/benefits. I guess he could be thinking that it’s discretionary money...especially in terms of huge executive bonuses...but I don’t see how a company can thrive without workers. Do you?

It would definitely penalize a company for over-hiring.

It would also cause very few companies to unionize with their far higher wages.


184 posted on 10/13/2011 10:07:12 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: USS Alaska

Where can we get that button?


185 posted on 10/13/2011 10:07:56 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Pride in the USA
We always knew where we stood with the GOP establishment, and now it is all out in the open.

Exactly! This is a good thing. They've taken their masks off, we've taken our gloves off, and it's time to rumble.

186 posted on 10/13/2011 10:10:56 AM PDT by lonevoice (The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: Netizen

Not sure why anyone would decline. It goes a long way toward becoming actual POTUS after your guy leaves office.


187 posted on 10/13/2011 10:12:38 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fits the outsider/insider ticket that I believe will win.


188 posted on 10/13/2011 10:12:43 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: getitright; heiss; Vaquero

I think we can agree to disagree. Whoever your candidate is, (if it’s not Romney or Huntsman) I will support enthusiastically against Zero. No circular firing squad, OK?


189 posted on 10/13/2011 10:17:26 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

The government could use Ted Baxter’s head for wind tunnel testing. :-)

One of the things that would make me giggle like a school girl would be to see that smug, self-satisfied smirk wiped off his ugly mug when Cain crushes Romney. I’m petty like that.


190 posted on 10/13/2011 10:19:14 AM PDT by lonevoice (The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: Scythian
Maybe all these “Perry” numskulls will finally admit their guy is done for ...

We need Perry to stay in the race as he is taking votes away from Romney. Most of his support is likely not going to go to a conservative so we need him in there as long as possible to split the RINO vote.

191 posted on 10/13/2011 10:21:25 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: lonevoice
I'm petty like that

Me too. :)

192 posted on 10/13/2011 10:24:25 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: CPT Clay
Gingrich is now a resident of Virginia so the 12th Amendment is a moot point.

Additionally, the 12th Amendment says that the electors of a given state cannot cast their votes to more than one person in their state. So it would apparently only apply to the one state - the other 49 states would be able to vote for the two candidates even if they are from the same state, just so long as it is not their state.

That said, it's probably not a good idea to run two people from the same state because it could make the difference in the election, depending on how many electoral votes that state has.

193 posted on 10/13/2011 10:26:59 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Vigilanteman

Having the other candidates gang up on him plus the arrows coming at him from the State controlled media is going to be a good thing for Herman Cain.

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Yes, we can see how good it has been for the other erstwhile candidates who have had the laser pointed at them. Apparently kept (what some believe was a sure winner) out of the race entirely (no, not Trump), has killed another frontrunner (Perry), and yet somehow you see this as a good thing for Cain.

Not quite sure I understand your calculus.


194 posted on 10/13/2011 10:30:07 AM PDT by dmz
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To: mandaladon

One strategy:

“I may not know all there is to know about any of these candidates. But if the MSM is ganging up on Cain, then that’s who I’m voting for. They must be terrified of him. And if so, then that’s who we need.”

Hmmmm. Interesting strategy! Wait for the MSM to start picking on a candidate (Cain) vs. pumping a candidate (Romney), and vote for that candidate.


195 posted on 10/13/2011 10:30:14 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Taxed Enough Already!!)
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To: mandaladon

Will the first Manchurian Candidate please stand up.


196 posted on 10/13/2011 10:31:28 AM PDT by Varsity Flight
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To: bcsco
The whole idea of Cain not being qualified because he hasn’t held office is specious and contrary to what we believe as conservative Americans.

And he'll have an entire cabinet of experienced politicians and govt servants who can explain anything he needs to know about how the elephantine govt works.

197 posted on 10/13/2011 10:35:22 AM PDT by American Quilter (Herman Cain for President: a conservative with 40 years of executive experience.)
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To: Huck

Good Lord, the ‘sales tax is a VAT’ meme didn’t work, so now the corporate tax is a VAT. In the sense that it is a hidden tax, embedded in each product we buy, and passed on by each company, the corporate income tax has always been a VAT, since corporations don’t pay taxes. At most, this is a difference in what expenses are tax deductible. Most likely, it’s a matter of fleshing out the details. Bruce Bartlett hates the idea of a national sales tax. No surprise he would be critical.


198 posted on 10/13/2011 10:35:31 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: USS Alaska

Ok, thats DAMN funnie!

I might just have to put that on my car... lol The same one I put my Honey Badger vanity plates on lol....


199 posted on 10/13/2011 10:36:34 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

The momentum is unstoppable now, and its just gonna keep rollin. People ahve beensearching for another person to vote for other than Romney, and Cain is the man!


200 posted on 10/13/2011 10:38:01 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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