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my thoughts on OCCUPY WALL STREET

Posted on 10/18/2011 9:06:03 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

I have mostly remained silent on OWS because I think OWS has been getting a little bit of an unfair rap by right wingers and conservative talk shows. I cannot stand marxists and I especially loath the stereotypical pot smoking 60s era marxist pacifist hippie movement and anything else that even slightly resembles it...such as environmentalism.

But I am very angry about bailouts and banks and unscrupulous trading of these fraudulent securities the banks invented. I am almost as angry about these things as I am the government's role in the mess we are in.

I think OWS is not all about the hippie trash trying to destroy capitalism as most conservatives seem to think. I think that is only one of many factions participating. But I am having a hard time getting myself enthused about supporting the OWS movement because I fear that this current administration will try to use OWS as an excuse to limit/punish capitalism and capitalists even more than it is.

So why can't conservatives just take over the OWS movement rather than denounce it? Why doesn't the tea party go full force to OWS rallies and take over? Why should conservatives oppose OWS and by doing so appear to be in favor of the abuses of capitalism and the meddling of capitalism by government? It seems to me the libertarians are already there at the OWS rallies and you know damn well no libertarian will ever be in favor of marxism. If conservatives threw their weight into the OWS movement, the marxist hippies would be an insignificant minority and would no longer have any say about the movement.


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1 posted on 10/18/2011 9:06:05 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

The term ‘occupy’ is rooted in anti-semitism.

The goals of the movement are the same as Osama Bin Ladin on September 10, 2001.


2 posted on 10/18/2011 9:10:41 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Because we are against everything that they stand for. You are not! Zot?


3 posted on 10/18/2011 9:12:40 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: mamelukesabre

That certainly is one idea.

The problem is the duration of these things. The people of OWS clearly have a lot of spare time on their hands. Many to most all the TP people have jobs and commitments that don’t allow them to sulk in a park under a tarp for a month straight.

This has always been the reason why the left has, until the TP protests, owned the public protest. Alinsky knew this and used it. This is why they target the gullible youth and college vote. If you don’t show up for a few weeks for classes, hey, your professors might give you a bye - because you were doing something “socially relevant.”

People’s bosses, however, aren’t quite so understanding.


4 posted on 10/18/2011 9:12:52 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: mamelukesabre
I can't picture conservatives co-opting the OWS movement.

We respect private property, support capitalism...and we practice hygiene and like to take regular showers!

5 posted on 10/18/2011 9:14:27 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: mamelukesabre
Conservatives have their own movement; it's called the TEA Party.

These people ARE everything that you think they are not. The goal, whether these wet behind the ears punks know it or not, is to crash our system. They are stupid punks and are being used as tools.

Really, I thought some intelligence and critical thinking skills were sort of a pre requsite to being a member here.

You want to take them over? Go fer it

6 posted on 10/18/2011 9:14:44 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Country Folks can survive....can you? Are you ready?)
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To: mamelukesabre
Because OWS is an astroturf operation run by adbusters, SEIU, other unions, the DNC, ACORN, assorted antisemitic peacecreeps, communists, anarchists and that crew. They're not going to let you “take over” OWS and you will be beaten or worse if you try. Other than that, good luck.
7 posted on 10/18/2011 9:15:08 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: mamelukesabre
I expect OWS to grow after we bail out Europe next month and we bailout BoA even more by covering their Derivatives.
8 posted on 10/18/2011 9:15:18 PM PDT by FritzG
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To: mamelukesabre

Nice knowin ya....

*steps away looking skyward*


9 posted on 10/18/2011 9:16:12 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: GunPkrBkr

“they”? who is “they”? NO one is leading that movement and no faction can maintain control unless we let them!

That’s the whole point of my post.


10 posted on 10/18/2011 9:17:46 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: FritzG

“I expect OWS to grow”

Like mold and mildew...


11 posted on 10/18/2011 9:18:30 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Outlaw Woman

They are stupid punks and are being used as tools.


“Useful Idiots” is the term communists use for those they use.
Once they no longer need the Useful Idiots, they are thrown away.


12 posted on 10/18/2011 9:19:05 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: mamelukesabre

These are just spoiled children acting out.

Imagine if our grandparents were doing that instead of shipping out to basic training and battle against the
Axis and doing their duty?

Immense shame of themselves is what they should be feeling...


13 posted on 10/18/2011 9:19:11 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: FritzG

I expect them to all go home when the weather turns cold.


14 posted on 10/18/2011 9:20:00 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron (The slippery slope is fastest at the bottom.)
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To: mamelukesabre

I wont flame you like I am sure others will.

You need to go there with a video camera and try to talk to these folks and post it at youtube and here. You may answer your own question or less likely you may make some converts to freedom. But it would show you are serious either way.


15 posted on 10/18/2011 9:20:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: RitchieAprile

Immense shame of themselves is what they should be feeling...


Except they have no idea what “shame” is.


16 posted on 10/18/2011 9:21:26 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: mamelukesabre

Riddle me this...where was the very first “official” statement from occupy wall st posted?


17 posted on 10/18/2011 9:21:32 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: mamelukesabre

OWS protesters = Flea Bag Party


18 posted on 10/18/2011 9:21:52 PM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: mamelukesabre

About the thievery they’ve been subjected to: HA HA. Their wealth is being redistributed.


19 posted on 10/18/2011 9:21:59 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: mamelukesabre
I have no problem agreeing with certain issues against "Wall Street." I think they and the Tea Party can agree that there should be no more bailouts, and that firms should go bankrupt if they are not solvent. (Ahem, Bank of America) I also think we would agree on the rule of law, and that it should be applied to everyone equally, including too big to fail banks.

Actually, this is a good issue to use against Obama, despite his flirtation with these people, because the SEC has be lax in prosecuting criminals, and has even shredded documents collected on these firms.

Obama is hoping that these people are his cavalry riding in to save him, but they could just as easily be turned against him.

20 posted on 10/18/2011 9:23:47 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: mamelukesabre
The OWS goons are human debris and every breath taken by those Soros-funded thugs is a waste of good oxygen. They're also controlled by union mobsters. The labor movement (along with the minimum wage) form a twin-evil that hampers American free enterprise and our economic might.

That traitorous, filthy crowd is utterly evil (much like the Nazis -- National Socialists) and has nothing to do with patriotic Conservatives and the grassroots pro-America Tea Party movement.

21 posted on 10/18/2011 9:25:26 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: GunPkrBkr

Might wanna put in a little more time and research before using “zot” on a regular. Just sayin’.


22 posted on 10/18/2011 9:26:11 PM PDT by REDWOOD99 ("Everyone should pay taxes. Everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: mamelukesabre

That’s the point, they (the OWS’s) don’t have any leadership. I wouldn’t even think of taking over their movement, because I don’t believe in their socialist, marxist, communist ways! You sir, seem to be cozying up to them if you want to work with them. Again I say, ZOT?


23 posted on 10/18/2011 9:26:45 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: GunPkrBkr

“they dont have any leadership”

myth...you just arent looking close enough...

I’ll open this to the floor....WHERE was the first “official” statement from OWS posted?

There’s your sign.


24 posted on 10/18/2011 9:29:56 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: mamelukesabre

If you believe there is not an entity behind the scenes pulling the strings on these marionettes participating in this “protest”, you are naive. These people are NOT interested in a capitalist system, and those who are controlling things want to crash and burn capitalism. We hold nothing in common with them, and we should not participate. Instead, we should be demonstrating at every turn possible the difference between people out looking for hand-outs and those of us who just want the government off our backs.


25 posted on 10/18/2011 9:30:12 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: mamelukesabre
But I am very angry about bailouts and banks and unscrupulous trading of these fraudulent securities the banks invented. I am almost as angry about these things as I am the government's role in the mess we are in.

Don't be fooled by that. Soros is funding this BS and the vast majority of those folks have no idea what they are protesting.

Some friends and I were visiting NYC last week and encountered them marching on Broadway at Wall Street last Monday. Then, as we proceeded on our walk, we came arrived at Zuccotti Park. We hung around, observed and snapped a few pics.

I'll be fair in stating that they were polite and friendly to us overall (even though we made it clear we were not supporters.)

This is essentially their Woodstock. They're living in self-imposed squalid conditions, getting high, banging bongo drums and most of them are either old hippies or very young adults who just want to do the "cool" thing.

There are generators powering laptop stations, etc. and tents in the park. Several of them are sipping lattes from the nearby Starbucks and have sales kiosks set up while protesting consumerism.

They have no clue what their "mission" is and are just enjoying all of the attention and Soros-bucks.

26 posted on 10/18/2011 9:31:08 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Have you not been following this hot mess of MARXIST/Union/just mental midget kids operation?

These humans are the children/grandchildren of the RED DIAPER BABIES/wannabe "cool" burbies who just wanted to be part of the pot/sex/destruction movement of the '60s-'70, who have LESS THAN NOTHING in common with Tea Partyers!

Not a one of these stinking ( and yes, they STINK...many haven't bather in over a month! ), selfish, anti-Semitic, brain dead GIVE ME EVERYTHING YOU HAVE wastrels have ANYTHING in common with us and/or Tea Partyers and they would happily kill Tea Partyers who went to one of they twee "occupying communes".

Would you please explain, more fully, why you posted this thread and feel the way you do?

27 posted on 10/18/2011 9:32:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: REDWOOD99

This guy seems like a sympathizer of OWS, and should be more careful posting stuff like this. Just saying!


28 posted on 10/18/2011 9:34:12 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: Allegra

“They have no clue what their “mission” is”

Yet....but there are a full 1/3 ready to carry out violence to complete it...

This is just the gathering...the rest comes a bit later...

And the rest always comes...


29 posted on 10/18/2011 9:34:48 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: mamelukesabre
Conservatives can not simply take over the OWS movement because Conservatives have NOTHING IN COMMON with the OWS movement. If you loathe Marxists as you state, you should know that the OWS crowd has picked up endorsements from BOTH the Communists and the NAZIS. There is a FR Article about it. Perhaps you should revisit your own understanding of who are Marxists and who are Conservatives.

As I stated above, Conservatives have absolutely nothing in common with the OWS crowd... and I am very much thankful for that.

30 posted on 10/18/2011 9:34:47 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Because they are a bunch of kooks.

Let the “good” ones come over and join a Tea Party association and change our government the Constitutional way.

‘nuff said.


31 posted on 10/18/2011 9:37:13 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: nopardons
These humans are the children/grandchildren of the RED DIAPER BABIES/wannabe "cool" burbies who just wanted to be part of the pot/sex/destruction movement of the '60s-'70, who have LESS THAN NOTHING in common with Tea Partyers!

You're far much kinder than I. These protoplasmic entities are sub-human in my book.

Not a one of these stinking ( and yes, they STINK...many haven't bather in over a month! ), selfish, anti-Semitic, brain dead GIVE ME EVERYTHING YOU HAVE wastrels have ANYTHING in common with us and/or Tea Partyers and they would happily kill Tea Partyers who went to one of they twee "occupying communes".

And these apostles of Soros/Marx are proponents of atheistic humanism. Their targets also include Christians. I'd like to see the NYPD adopt a real get tough policy with these treasonous commie goons.

32 posted on 10/18/2011 9:39:24 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Crim

I know they have an unnamed leader in Soros, but no one on the streets. This is how liberals always come up with crowds. They have a big roller doll out cash to people to hang around.


33 posted on 10/18/2011 9:40:05 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: GunPkrBkr

Plus, when could law abiding conservatives take over anything? We are not of that ilk and thank God we’re not. The bailouts, I thought they were paid back. I hate the thought of the “Hegelian dialect” taking place here, the far left and the far right converging and doing exactly what the lefties want! Frustrating.


34 posted on 10/18/2011 9:41:01 PM PDT by punditwannabe
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To: mamelukesabre

Putting more taxes and burden on economic opportunity....what’s the point in being successful?

It sounds good and “fair”....but it doesn’t stop with just being “wealthy”.


35 posted on 10/18/2011 9:43:08 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: GunPkrBkr

Ok...I guess I have to SHOW YOU...

Where was the first “official” statement from OWS posted?

http://billayers.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/occupy-wall-street-collective-statement-of-the-protesters/

All roads lead right back to the usual domestic terrorists and their supporters...

It was even called “days of rage” before it was called OWS...

To see the depth of the water one must look past the surface...


36 posted on 10/18/2011 9:44:09 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Allegra
The most interesting first hand account yet, Allegra. Thanks. Lattes and kiosks? I suppose they have to entertain the media somewhere.
37 posted on 10/18/2011 9:44:19 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Crim

Yes, I know.

That’s why I am trying to discourage anyone from believing that these people are about being against the bail-outs.

The invisible leaders are of the Bill Ayers ilk.


38 posted on 10/18/2011 9:44:36 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: mamelukesabre

does anti-capitalism ring a bell? You are either for it or against it


39 posted on 10/18/2011 9:46:15 PM PDT by woofie
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To: mamelukesabre

If the tea party movement had stayed on message against the bailouts, against crony capitalism, and corporatisim, against waste fraud and abuse in government, we would have the moral high ground right now.

However, the tea party movement was infiltrated and co-opted to a large degree and lost focus.

Most Americans are still angry about the things I listed in the above. OWS is only partially addresssing this anger, but they are scooping the tea party on its own original message.

OWS will become (and already has to some degree) become co-opted by the left wing fringe ... communists, anarchists, anti-capitalists and people who just hate anyone more wealthy and successful than they are ... but that doesn’t mean they won’t carry a lot of people along in the meantime and some of them have common ground with the original tea partiers.

Too bad these groups are always co-opted and spread thin with too many agendas. If we could stand together on some of the more pressing economic and fraud issues would could scare the hell out of politicians.


40 posted on 10/18/2011 9:47:26 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: mamelukesabre

“bailouts and banks and unscrupulous trading of these fraudulent securities ... the government’s role in the mess”

Those are the only things I’ve seen that we have in common with them. We shouldn’t worry about them. As US Rep. “Toots” Wasserman put it, “We (Democrats) own this economy.” So the Democrats own it and the `Occupiers.’

Obama & Co. are already trying create some sound bites for the election next year in their inimitable, cynical manner: “Why, we tried to pass a jobs bill but the GOP stopped us...”

The middle public is smarter than that and won’t buy it. Obama spent trillions, wrecked our credit rating and all we have to show for it is record unemployment, debt, a prolonged recession, dozens of failed programs and cabinet appointees, a metastasizing federal government replete with `Czars’ and their staffs, and a schizophrenic stock market to boot.

Let’s just stay out of it, attempt to mitigate damages as we can, and to paraphrase 0, just allow him to `continue digging his way out of the hole.’


41 posted on 10/18/2011 9:48:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: Crim

ok, sorry. It was Ayers, not Soros. Soros is suppying the finances.


42 posted on 10/18/2011 9:49:05 PM PDT by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: re_nortex
LOL........I was attempting to write in such a way that wouldn't get me in trouble here.

Blame that idiot Bloomy, for allowing these disgusting poltroons to get away with this MARXIST circus. If he had ( and he could have !) stopped this on the first day, that would have been the end of it.

Only 1/3 of these creatures voted ( for Obama, of course; though there are Paulinistas there,so maybe they voted for that idiot )in '08.

A bit more than 1/3 want this to turn violent.

Just about 99.9999999999% haven't a clue about anything at all; just read the posts to their site, that was on a thread here earlier today.

The anti-Semitism is RAMPANT!

These are adults and almost adults, who are acting like spoilt 2 year olds!

And then there is the Soros money and Union money and thugs and the old hippies/Yippies/terrorists who are kinda steering it all!

If every single one of them and those who support them, were all to die tomorrow, at high noon, it wouldn't matter one whit, to the future of this nation.....except to make it better!

43 posted on 10/18/2011 9:51:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: woofie
does anti-capitalism ring a bell? You are either for it or against it

The filthy goons hate free enterprise and our American capitalist system -- the engine that creates economic prosperity.

These tools of big labor are so stuck on stupid that the OWS cretins would never be able to comprehend this map and why right to work means individual liberty:


44 posted on 10/18/2011 9:52:39 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: mamelukesabre

The Occupypublicparks hippie/hipster protest is nothing that any real conservative could ever identify with, support or make common cause with.

The media coverage tries to mask the vermin that are really attending these things. The “occupants” are hard core leftists and lazy kids out for a street party. The leaders are committed anti-capitalists who are the enemy of everything free market conservatives stand for.

The Democrats are trying to promote this stuff as a means of changing the subject. If the election of 2012 is about debt, deficits and the failure of government, Obama and his party will likely lose. If they can change the debate and focus on banks and millionaires, they have a better chance.

If you are an actual conservative person, you should not be sympathetic to this “occupy” garbage. There is absolutely nothing positive or good about these people. Their message and the protesters themselves stink.


45 posted on 10/18/2011 9:53:43 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969
Their message and the protesters themselves stink.

Three words: high pressure firehoses.

46 posted on 10/18/2011 9:55:46 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Crim

Sept 17 was the first day.


47 posted on 10/18/2011 10:05:30 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: mamelukesabre

It is being led by professional agitators who, while appearing to be the same as the masses, are:

somewhat, or often, much older

well trained in group facilitation

capable of spotting the dissenter

capable of deflecting any cognitive dissonance

capable of turning the groups against any competing grass roots leader

connected in some way to the sources of support, such as unions or college professors.

The memes were implanted in university, on TV, in the online leftist media, music, movies. The group is being given free reign in regard to sex, drugs, hygiene, loss of inhibition in order to allow them to bond. Some of the behavior, such as elimination in public, will evoke shame, so if *everyone does it*, the shame is overridden and replaced with group cohesion.

I have already read at least one article suggesting the Tea Party join up with Occupy. If I see two more, I may decide to call it a meme. If I see more than two, I will suspect political machinations. Note that there have also been many instances of media attempting to conflate the two movements.

At some point, the Occupiers will be on their last nerve and the presence of anyone evocative of *the other* will become a flash point for some of those with lower thresholds for frustration. The puppet masters want this to happen and the media will dutifully blame it on the non-Occupier. But it will take time. The longer these occupations go on without resolution, the higher the frustration level will become. Every set back, be it bad weather, thefts, sexual assaults, will have more impact as the Occupiers get more tired, uncomfortable and, more importantly, bored.

Just because they have hit on one or two points that resonate across ideological lines does not mean they can be turned to our interests. Those organizers will spot any attempt that does not resonate with their own goals and can easily turn the masses against someone, if they wish. Watch the livestream with the sound off. There are always several older guys on the perimeter. They are obviously paying attention and have acute situational awareness. They actually herd the larger group where they want, such as towards any media. Many of those speaking from the platform, usually the first speaker and always with a loudspeaker, are of this type.

It is best, IMO, for this to play out. America is seeing something they need to see and most Americans are drawing the correct conclusions. The Tea Party needs to stay away.

I also think the LEO are aware of all the above and are being very careful not to become the object of a mob flashpoint. Besides the usual leftist connections and strategy, most urban politicians are also leery of mob psychology and that is a part of why they are facilitating the camp outs. If there is an incident, much better for our side if it is against an urban politico.


48 posted on 10/18/2011 10:05:55 PM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: mamelukesabre

OWS? I’m sorry, why occupy Wall Street. It should be occupy congress, occupy the IRS, occupy the HHS, occupy the department of education... It is government that is the problem here. Every single issue that you might agree with the OWS protesters with started with the feds. Federal insurance - hey, it’s all covered, who cares if the bank goes and does stupid things time and time again. Federal regulations - why pay attention to what the bank’s doing? The feds are watching... Federal mandates - Oh, well, sure, I guess they should make loans to people who can’t pay them, umm..right? Federal mortgage loans... It’s good to invest in America, um, what do you mean they’re paying more than the loan value?

Bailouts! Came from congress and were singed by the president after members of the cabinet urged for them, after they failed to ‘regulate’ the companies involved to ensure they stay solvent. You had one of the biggest thefts in history, the stealing of WAMU and all the assets, again, by federal mandate.

And you have the continued looting by federal employees of the public dollar through high salaries, extensive benefits, and grossly generous retirements.

And look who’s coming to the OWS party - teacher unions, transit unions, other public and private employee unions, all eager to take even more of the public dollar, since the taxpayers are becoming less and less interested in permitting the borrowing of more money to loot. They’ve just picked a nice juicy target - even though if the federal government taxed them all for every penny of profit, it still wouldn’t cover THIS YEAR’s budget deficit.

Yeah, sorry, no sale. I have nothing in common with the OWS communists. They may say things I might agree with, but what they mean is ‘gimme, gimme, gimme.’


49 posted on 10/18/2011 10:12:09 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: BIGLOOK
The most interesting first hand account yet, Allegra. Thanks. Lattes and kiosks? I suppose they have to entertain the media somewhere.

We had been doing touristy stuff on a beautiful Indian-summer day - Statue of Liberty/Ellis Island. We were walking up Broadway from Battery Park in the late afternoon, headed for some cocktails and dinner and they came streaming down the sidewalk, flanked by police, waving signs and chanting. (We were taunting them - FReeping them as it were - yelling things like "Big Oil! Big Oil! Exxon-Mobil! Halliburton!" and some of the cops were laughing. LOL)

Zuccotti Park is right on Broadway - not a very big park at all.

I'm really glad we happened upon all of that or we'd never have known about the generators or their sales kiosks. We wouldn't have known about the Starbucks and McDonald's right across the street that are jammed with those people, either.

They're against capitalism and consumerism??? Riiiiight.

The media sure isn't showing or saying anything about any of that.

50 posted on 10/18/2011 10:12:41 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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