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Sometimes I hate zots
Free Republic ^ | Oct 19, 2011 | fightinJAG

Posted on 10/19/2011 5:16:45 AM PDT by fightinJAG

Sometimes I hate zots!

Yes, posts can be stupid and zot-worthy, but still end up generating very useful, substantive discussion.

A lot of freepers just invested a whole bunch of good discussion time in a thread that, yes, when first posted, was zot-worthy, but which morphed into an excellent and useful discussion on the 999 plan.

Pulling such a thread, after it has developed into a solid, substantive discussion of the issues, to me, is like letting the kitties win.

At least only lock the thread so it can still be read and the posts are not deleted from everyone's account.

Many people work hard on their posts, in terms of making the best arguments they can. Disappointing to see them go poof after a couple of hundred posts just because the OP may be a troll. Punish the trolls without wiping out a good discussion.

My first and only rant vanity on FR ever.

Good day.

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1 posted on 10/19/2011 5:16:48 AM PDT by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG

IBTZ?


2 posted on 10/19/2011 5:20:03 AM PDT by OKSooner ("Get a brain, morans!!")
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To: fightinJAG

Looks like I missed a good one. :-(


3 posted on 10/19/2011 5:20:07 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: SueRae

Yes, you did.

And it was getting better.

Also there were more than the usual participating, which made it a really good discussion that had a few different points brought up.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 5:23:35 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG
I like the really off the wall ones made by people even most democrats would go, “that's crazy ****!” One I'm thinking of is some nutter saying we shouldn't mow laws, as grass is a “living being” or somesuch. If she wasn't zotted, she could still be making ridiculous posts of tree-huggery and we could still be making fun of her :(
5 posted on 10/19/2011 5:31:22 AM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: nerdwithagun

It is more fun when the mods let them hang around for a while so we can roast them. Some zots happen almost as soon as the thread was posted. How can we have fun with that?


6 posted on 10/19/2011 5:40:52 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: fightinJAG

I know exactly what you mean, and part of the problem is who gets left with the keys to the kingdom at night. Some Admin Mods are a lot more reasonable than others, and at least one of them is an outright activist prude.

In the past few months a new paradigm about what is and what is not acceptable here has developed, and as usual, with no formal guidance being issued or announced we are all left to guess about exactly what that new paradigm really is.

Good luck.


7 posted on 10/19/2011 5:42:58 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Obama got mostly Ds and Fs all through college and law school. Keep repeating it.....)
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To: fightinJAG

IBTZ!


8 posted on 10/19/2011 5:47:45 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: fightinJAG
I absolutely agree. That discussion was going some where important.

I'd just composed a lengthy reply only to find out the thread was pulled when I clicked "Post."

9 posted on 10/19/2011 5:57:49 AM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: fightinJAG

Sometimes the posts are moved to the black hole of Bloggers and Personal or General Chat...............I’ve never met General Chat, what’s he do?........................


10 posted on 10/19/2011 6:02:19 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: fightinJAG

...like letting the kitties win. ....

11 posted on 10/19/2011 6:05:03 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: fightinJAG

The policy is “Please NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.” If someone violates that she/he should be kicked off but leave the thread so the rest of us can read it. This reeks of censorship to me and I’m a lot disappointed.


12 posted on 10/19/2011 6:21:47 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: fightinJAG
Perhaps you could ask to have it returned, if only to the smoky back room.

If it is reinstated, please ping me.

Sounds interesting.
13 posted on 10/19/2011 6:21:53 AM PDT by MaryFromMichigan
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To: fightinJAG; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

One thread I’m thinking of now was up for better than 12 hours. Had nearly 400 replies.

Jim Rob himself zotted the entire thread.

I’ve said it before - I’ll say it again. It’s either rudeness or laziness that they do these things again and again.


14 posted on 10/19/2011 6:36:02 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: fightinJAG

I guess that I missed a barn burner.


15 posted on 10/19/2011 6:46:35 AM PDT by USS Alaska
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To: fightinJAG

Generally, it’s a policy that has reduced my desire to post here - and I’ll bet that’s true of others who attempt to further substantive discussion beyond simple “talking points”.


16 posted on 10/19/2011 6:54:23 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: fightinJAG

In before the Undead.
Oh wait...


17 posted on 10/19/2011 6:58:35 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If the thread is nothing but videos of Viking kitties and snarky remarks, okay.

But if the thread has developed into a real and useful discussion — the reason FR exists — and especially if it has gone on into the hundreds of replies, zotting it at that point is everything you said. It just makes me not want to put in all the work it takes to post well (as least as well as I can).

Again, if for some reason they want to lock the thread, that at least preserves the discussion, the replies that went out to freepers and so on.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 7:20:56 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: MaryFromMichigan; Admin Moderator

I will do so here.

Please reinstate the carmike thread on the 999 plan that was just zotted.

Thanks.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 7:23:52 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: USS Alaska

It wasn’t so much that it was more of a barn-burner than usual, but that a good discussion had developed and there seemed to be no point in zotting it at that time.

Also, as I mentioned, it was the type of thread that attracted some people I don’t usually see on the Cain threads. They raised some different points and thus engendered some debate from new angles. That’s always a great thing to have going.


20 posted on 10/19/2011 7:25:47 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: nerdwithagun

Yeah, but this was a thread to an article at Fox News. So . . . what is the problem?

Yes, the OP’s history was a little shakey, and he got the appropriate skepticism for that. But the overall thread was completely usual.

I don’t think the OP’s motives or posting history should be the only determinant in whether a thread that has a couple hundred or more substantive replies and a lively debate going gets zotted.


21 posted on 10/19/2011 7:28:20 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Bean Counter

This thread was on an article at Fox News!

The problem was that the OP was a noobie and had posted 3 anti-Cain threads since joining.

Okay, so maybe that’s a problem. Maybe. If the threads are not total basketcases, and this one wasn’t, I’d say watch and see. There are plenty of old-timers here posting anti-Cain after anti-Cain (or anti-whoever) threads. SO WHAT?

The people who support Cain (or whoever) can hold their own, or not. That is all.

The freepers who get walloped the most by this type of arbitrary action are those who work the hardest to post substantive arguments and engage others in a substantive way!

We all love the one-liners and snark, me most of all. But when there’s more to a thread than that, mods should respect what feepers have invested in the discussion. If you keep walloping the people who routinely invest the most, they will feel like it’s not worth it to post.


22 posted on 10/19/2011 7:34:00 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: newzjunkey

Me, too.

Ticked me off to no end.

You KNOW I don’t post vanities, but that tells ya something.


23 posted on 10/19/2011 7:34:57 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Red Badger

Is that the case if the mod note says “pulled”? I think it says “moved” otherwise.

This one was just turned to cosmic dust.

Not nice.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 7:36:03 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG
I've also heard that some trigger happy Admin pulled the weekly "South Park" thread and labeled it "pure trash."

The only comedy show on television that rips apart liberals and their agenda, and we're no longer allowed to discuss it, because some anonymous admin doesn't like potty talk.

25 posted on 10/19/2011 7:40:01 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: New Jersey Realist

I’m okay with censorship in the forum if that’s how JimRob wants to run it.

But what I’m not okay with is letting a thread sit there, it gets a hot and very useful substantive discussion going, extends to a couple of hundred posts and is still on fire, and along comes a mod who pulls the entire thing — all that WORK and INVESTMENT down the drain — because WHY?

Not because the OP violated the TOU. But I guess because some complained that the poster was a newbie and had posted only anti-Cain threads since signing up.

I just don’t see how that is a factor. If the articles the newbie posted were trash and troll-like, okay. But if they are normal articles, such as this one was from Fox News, they could have been posted by any freeper without drawing attention.

As I said, there are old-timers here posting multiple anti-Cain threads (or anti-whoever threads) per day. SO WHAT?

The article was worth discussing regardless of the OP’s history. And the article clearly would have been acceptable if posted by someone not a newbie.


26 posted on 10/19/2011 7:40:40 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Jim's house. Jim's rules.
27 posted on 10/19/2011 8:09:55 AM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Red Badger

Apart from letting the kitties win, when a thread is zotted after it develops into a good, useful and most of all substantive debate, this completely disrespects the freepers who put the most effort into debating points on the merits.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 8:56:17 AM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

Dang. I missed it all.

Must’ve been good and hot!


29 posted on 10/20/2011 4:37:25 PM PDT by Palladin (Newt/Cain)
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To: fightinJAG

No dude, it’s the double, triple, quadruple, quintuple, sixtuple threads of some trivial or even non-trivial event that are trashing this forum.

As if starting a thread earned somebody a medal or a thousand dollars.


30 posted on 10/20/2011 4:42:54 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

As a lurker for years, I often wondered at the seemingly arbitrary actions of some of the Admin Mods. While I have no problem with a website admin enforcing the house rules, it must be said that the house rules around here seem to change quite a bit, and often without warning. I’m not sure what purpose such guessing games serve.

If this were my website, I’d have a two-tiered membership system. Paying customers would be Members, with full posting and commenting rights. Non-paying members would be able to read messages but not post or comment. An annual election would be held in which Members would choose the year’s Admin Mods from a slate of nominees proposed by the owner. This would improve the moderation system: arbitrary or inconsistent Mods would simply not be re-elected.

This system would also generate a predictable income for the site, ending the need for beg-a-thons.

I hope no one has been offended by these opinions. If so, my apologies.


31 posted on 10/20/2011 5:34:22 PM PDT by Shalmaneser
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To: Revolting cat!

That’s a separate problem, eh.


32 posted on 10/20/2011 5:55:13 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Palladin

I sigh all over again.


33 posted on 10/20/2011 5:55:57 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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