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Perry Commits to Flat Tax, Reforming Entitlements
The Weekly Standard ^ | October 19, 2011 | Daniel Halper

Posted on 10/19/2011 11:05:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Las Vegas - In a brief speech this morning at the Western Republican Conference, Texas governor Rick Perry announced that in six days he would reveal an “economic pro-growth package that will create growth” and encourage investment in America. The plan will involve major tax reform, entitlement reform, a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, an abolishment of earmarks, and a recommitment to energy exploration in the United States.

“Our long term growth requires a fundamental tax reform,” Perry said. Therefore, his plan “starts with scrapping the three million words of the current tax code—starting over with something simple: a flat tax.”

“I want to make the tax code so simple that even Timothy Geithner can file his taxes on time,” the Texas governor said, taking a jab at the treasury secretary who had major errors in his tax returns that were revealed after he was nominated by President Barack Obama for his present job.

“The second part of my plan involves the serious commitment to spending, realizing alternatives” to the path taken by Europe, Perry said. In this vein, the Texas governor went on to affirm his commitment to “reforming entitlements, preserving those commitments to those who are on Social Security … and those approaching the age of retirement.”

Perry did not give further details on what the new flat tax rate would be (or how it might work) or on how he would reform entitlements.

On the balanced budget amendment, Perry committed to campaigning in all fifty states, if necessary, in order to get the provision added to the Constitution.

And he promised to end earmarks: “My plan is to end earmarks for good.”

In revealing tidbits of his economic plan, Perry played up his anti-establishment credentials.


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Perry is scheduled to give an economic policy speech on Tuesday Oct. 25.
1 posted on 10/19/2011 11:05:37 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
Earlier Energy Policy: Energizing American Jobs and Security

Governor Rick Perry’s plan is based on a simple premise: Make what Americans buy. Buy what Americans make. And sell it to the world.

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Speech

Press Release

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2 posted on 10/19/2011 11:07:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

About time another candidate comes out with an actual plan, instead of jumping all over Cain’s.

Of course, I’ll believe it when I see it.


3 posted on 10/19/2011 11:09:13 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" - Herman Cain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

hm... it’s more bold than I would of expected from Perry, this might help him with those eager for major change.


4 posted on 10/19/2011 11:09:19 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

bttt


5 posted on 10/19/2011 11:11:16 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
That is correct, he has. Some new plan, right after someone tells him what it is and how it works. Sounds like obummer. Wonder who's work they will cut and paste this time.
6 posted on 10/19/2011 11:12:35 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
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7 posted on 10/19/2011 11:13:12 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I still oppose radical changes to the tax code, preferring an incremental approach that won’t disrupt the economy and screw everybody who actually PLANS for their financial future.

But at least Perry isn’t saying the tax code is responsible for our problems, instead correctly labelling tax reform as an item which will improve future growth.


8 posted on 10/19/2011 11:13:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: org.whodat
Some new plan, right after someone tells him what it is and how it works.

Cain had three economists write HIS plan. One thinks they screwed it up. Cain has to point people to their write-up on his web site when he's asked about the plan.

If you read Moore's comments about it, and if you look at the plan, it is clear Cain asked for a good, sound-bite political tax plan. Cain wants Fairtax, but didn't think it was a political winner. So they created 9-9-9, which isn't the best plan but was a great sound bite. Moore says now that they screwed up because they didn't realize how people would feel about the sales tax part, and suggests they re-work it to remove that. Because WHAT is in the 9-9-9 plan isn't as important as how politically popular it is.

9 posted on 10/19/2011 11:16:46 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That’s good conservative stuff, albeit boiler-plate. Looking forward to some details.


10 posted on 10/19/2011 11:17:09 AM PDT by magritte
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This will position Perry to the right of everyone on stage in regards to taxes, which means everytime 999 gets brought up Perry will now will get votes, and it will make Romney look even more like more of the same.

Very smart move by Perry.


11 posted on 10/19/2011 11:17:31 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
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Look ... Gov. Perry ... this ALL SOUNDS GREAT ... I'm looking forward to your Flat-Tax Plan (aka Steve Forbes 1998) ...


But there's JUST.ONE.SINGLE.ISSUE.THAT.YOU'VE.SCREW-UP.ON.


ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION


"Free" taxpayer subsized college money for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS


You, Sir ... might (very well) have the VERY BEST tax-plan for the 2012 election ...


What how can that benefit me ... when I've having to pay "extra" (sooner-or-later) to pay for the college education of "damned" ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ?


I hope that your campaign reads this ...


You WILL NEVER get my vote unless you RENOUNCE "free" college tuition for ...


"Damned" ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ...




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12 posted on 10/19/2011 11:17:53 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: TexasFreeper2009; altura; MizSterious

Whoo Hoo! Rick is pouring it on now! Substance now on two fronts— energy and now the FLAT TAX, which everyone loves, and that JOBS record of his that is patently indisputable.
Rock it, Rick! I love substance and a record!!


13 posted on 10/19/2011 11:18:10 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I support the outline 100%, of course the devil will be in the details.

It is a shame Perry has been such a dud in the debates. Outside of immigration (which is admittedly a big issue), he is pretty much everything I want in a candidate.

It may be too late for him now through.

14 posted on 10/19/2011 11:18:17 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Looks like this texican rino is getting ready to get behind
Cain’s 999 plan

Art Laffer endorses 999

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576637310315367804.html?mod=rss_opinion_main


15 posted on 10/19/2011 11:18:50 AM PDT by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I have the sense Perry is not going to be rushed into stating a Perry policy on anything until he has all his ducks in a row, similar to the way he waited to announce his jobs plan recently. He’ll take the slings and arrows while he formulates his plans. Slow and steady....


16 posted on 10/19/2011 11:19:57 AM PDT by McLynnan
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To: comebacknewt

” I support the outline 100%, of course the devil will be in the details. “ <<<

Are there details in a flat tax?


17 posted on 10/19/2011 11:20:58 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: NoGrayZone
One by one, the Conservative candidates are going to be dragged kicking and screaming to the realization that immediate and dramatic proposals are needed and that a promise of a total reversal of “O” policies HAS to be expressed clearly and consistently....if they want to be considered for nomination! Lets see some spine here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS kind of radicalization of American politics took place when “O” was nominated and the Conservatives have to get with program...it ain't politics as usual anymore.... the GOP has openly chosen the OLD WAYS!!

18 posted on 10/19/2011 11:22:11 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." Edmund Burke)
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To: org.whodat

But don’t get me wrong — We don’t need a President with good ideas. We need a President who will RECOGNIZE good ideas, who will SEEK OUT good ideas, who knows how to get good ideas through the political process, who knows how to surround himself with people who can communicate good ideas to him.

If 9-9-9 was a good idea, ANY of our presidential candidates could push it through congress. We don’t need Cain to get 9-9-9, if it is actually a plan that would work.

The question is, which candidate has shown the most experience at getting good ideas, recognizing them, and pushing them through the political process. Which candidate has been able to find ways to implement conservative principles through legislation? Which candidate can articulate conservative principles in a way that encourages others to think of good ideas to implement those principles?

There is one candidate running now who has written a book espousing conservative principles, and who has shown the ability to take good conservative ideas, get to get them implemented and to govern by them. There is one candidate who has both voiced the sound principles of federalism and a limited federal government, and has also implemented executive policies which enact those conservative principles.


19 posted on 10/19/2011 11:22:36 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: McLynnan

From the looks of this, his campaign prepared a timetable, bringing out plans at certain times with most likely an ad campaign in conjunction with it. Big-time politics.


20 posted on 10/19/2011 11:23:12 AM PDT by magritte
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To: McLynnan
...I have the sense Perry is not going to be rushed into stating a Perry policy on anything until he has all his ducks in a row, similar to the way he waited to announce his jobs plan recently. He’ll take the slings and arrows while he formulates his plans. Slow and steady....

Yes like most politicians he has to put his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing before he announces his position or changes it should the wind be brisk.

21 posted on 10/19/2011 11:23:43 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks to Cain the tax system is finally in the forefront of American politics. Others have tried, but failed to get this kind of recognition. Perry’s hand has been forced. Let’s see where it all goes. What will Slick Mitt do?


22 posted on 10/19/2011 11:23:57 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Damn. Say what you want about HC, the man has totally shifted the debate. Would love to see a top tier of Cain & Perry debating what type of flat tax to employ.


23 posted on 10/19/2011 11:24:10 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Tution for children of illegals is NOT FREE! It’s called in-state tuition. Get your facts straight because you are 100% wrong on this issue.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 11:24:13 AM PDT by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: CharlesWayneCT

999 is a marketing ploy - a catchy phrase that people will remember. Much like $9.99 pizza. It’s a pretty good strategy, except that Cain is having problems explaining the plan to people. With the 999 plan - the emphasis is on the catch-phrase more than the details.

Perry’s plan sounds pretty good - I can’t wait to see the details and how Perry sells them. That will be telling, and will do a lot to compare him with the other candidates and their plans.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 11:25:11 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: alicewonders

let me guess

http://www.freedomworks.org/issues/flat-tax


26 posted on 10/19/2011 11:27:41 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: McLynnan

Perry has checked and raised the field play by three. Taxation and Energy and a JOBS record are a very big deal. He has now proven to any doubters to be a serious contender and seeing this speedy arrival of substance will result in another cash surge from the big and small dogs who care about taxation, energy and JOBS. Checks please? Good bye Santorum, Bachman, Huntsman, as we thin the field to Perry, Romney, Cain, and even Paul for awhile. Newt?


27 posted on 10/19/2011 11:30:50 AM PDT by RitaOK (TEXAS. It's EXHIBIT A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Cain is a long time friend of neal boortz, they worked together, his plan is what it is because Neals plan is copyrighted. Cains plan is Neals plan, he just cannot say so and unlike johnny come lately perry, Cain and Neal have talked about tax plans for years. The main thing Cain stepped forward trying to cut the size of government, while the two little rinos, Perry and Willard, played dry hump. Their act last night was kinder-garden.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 11:31:50 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I never was a fan of Perry's. I made that clear here in the past.

Romney is a RINO and strikes me as an odd character. I have several Mormon friends. I love them all but I think that Romney's being a Mormon will hurt him. The Mormon Jesus is not the same Jesus most Americans follow. This will be used against him. Cain is great for the campaign but he has little cash and very little campaign structure beneath him. Newt is the most informed person around but he has been uber-flaky over the years. I first met Ron Paul when I was a kid and used to drive around with him from campaign stop to campaign stop, He was saying the same things back then that he does now. But, he is way too long in the tooth and is a little unbalanced. Bachmann is creepy-crazy and seems like she wants to jump on the nuke ala Slim Pickens, scream like a banchee and go for a ride. Santorum is the karaoke singer of the group. He has heard the tune, he knows the lyrics, but does not sound like the real deal. No star quality.

At this point I support Perry. We are a long way off and to go the distance the winner needs three things: Money, Money, Money. Money buys so many things crucial to a campaign for president. Media, people, data, electronics, etc. Perry has that and he is not Romney. It is not likely to happen but a Perry/Rubio ticket would be insane. If Perry is around in 90 days I would not be surprised to see Palin come out for him. It was obvious that they had been talking. Perry knew Palin was not going to run when he jumped in to the race.

29 posted on 10/19/2011 11:32:08 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good news! Cain is driving the debate on taxes and the other candidates are shifting to the right. Thanks for the update.


30 posted on 10/19/2011 11:33:26 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
"Free" taxpayer subsized college money for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

THere is no free taxpayer subsidized college money for illegal immigrants in Texas.

The Texas college system charges a premium for out-of-state students. Students who have lived in the state, and therefore whose parents have been paying state taxes, do not have to pay the premiums. They pay the "in-state" tuition rate, which apparently in Texas covers the incremental costs of a student at the schools. (I know that in some states the college costs are subsidized for in-state pupils).

If a child has attended texas high schools the required number of years, and has maintained a solid grade, and qualifies for a state institution, they pay the full in-state tuition for that school, without regard to whether they are considered legal or illegal.

The state loses no money from allowing the students to attend college. The state actually receives money from these students, which pays the salaries of the workers at the schools. This isn't a handout.

Interestingly, there is a federal law that requires a state which allows illegals to pay in-state tuition based on residence must also allow every citizen the same in-state tuition. I would note that this is a clear violation of federalism and state's rights -- the right of a state to decide for themselves who they want to give discounts to. We conservatives tend to applaud THIS particular usurpation of a state's right to spend their OWN state's money as they see fit, because we just hate illegal immigrants that much.

But the Texas law is not based on residence, it is based on successful attendance in a Texas high school. Any kid from ANY state who attends a Texas high school gets the same treatment (and yes, there are kids who are residents of other states who attend texas high schools and get this treatment, mostly children of members of the armed services but also some parents like Texas schools and pay for their children to attend instead of their home-state schools across the border).

Anyway, it would be a real shame if a great conservative leader was rejected by voters who will love what he does as President, simply because they are upset about a few thousands kids a year getting in-state tuition at state colleges.

31 posted on 10/19/2011 11:34:17 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

sorry to tell you but if Cain goes down Conservatives will turn to Newt Gingrich to take on Romney then Obama not Perry.. Perry can’t put 4 words together without losing his train of thought


32 posted on 10/19/2011 11:34:27 AM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Maybe Perry out to start by cutting out his ENTITLEMENTS TO ILLEGALS!

Even Aggies have had it with Perry's In-State-Tuition grants to Illegals!!!

source: www.aggieconservatives.org

Petition Governor Perry to Call Special Legislative Session to End In-State Tuition for Illegal Immigrants

The Honorable Rick Perry
Office of the Governor
P.O. Box 12428
Austin, TX 78711

Dear Governor Perry:

I am deeply disappointed that Texas tax dollars are being used to subsidize the college tuition of illegal immigrants in the state of Texas. The Texas government, especially in these troubling economic times, should not be subsidizing the higher education of adults who cannot legally work in the United States.

Governor Perry, I request you to immediately call a special session of the Texas Legislature in order to end the policy of providing in-state tuition and financial aid for illegal aliens at Texas public universities.

Thousands of United States citizens are currently paying $20,000/year more than illegal immigrants to attend college in Texas; illegal immigrants are also receiving tuition waivers and state financial aid. As a candidate running for the office of President of the United States of America, I ask you to put the interests of American citizens before the interests of citizens of foreign countries, especially those foreign citizens residing in the United States illegally.

Please end this unfair policy, which harms

33 posted on 10/19/2011 11:35:37 AM PDT by not2worry
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To: Fred

Art Laffer helped WRITE 9-9-9. Why wouldn’t he endorse it.

Of MORE interest is that ONE of the authors of 9-9-9, Steven Moore, now says Cain should drop the sales tax from the plan.

It is funny though seeing so many people citing the author of a plan as some independent proof that the plan is a good one.


34 posted on 10/19/2011 11:35:59 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: alicewonders

Perrys, tax plan, oh, sounds good, where is the link. You can probably get an Oliver typewriter off of ebay, so you can do the normal, bogus long time position stuff.


35 posted on 10/19/2011 11:38:19 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: isthisnickcool

I think Alan West would be an awesome pick too!


36 posted on 10/19/2011 11:42:59 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: RitaOK

Yes there are details because many of them contain exemptions and / or rebates.


37 posted on 10/19/2011 11:43:47 AM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: shield

Like new *ping* banner!!


38 posted on 10/19/2011 11:44:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RitaOK

here is an old summary
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2005/07/a-brief-guide-to-the-flat-tax


39 posted on 10/19/2011 11:44:32 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good to hear that Perry is taking lessons from Cain!

It’s going to be interesting watching Perry supporters sell this.

They will be fighting the very lies they perpetuated on FR about Cain’s plan.


40 posted on 10/19/2011 11:47:17 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
There is one candidate running now who has written a book espousing conservative principles, and who has shown the ability to take good conservative ideas, get to get them implemented and to govern by them. There is one candidate who has both voiced the sound principles of federalism and a limited federal government, and has also implemented executive policies which enact those conservative principles.

And Newt Gingrich wrote the forward:

"FED UP!" -- Rick Perry [forward by NEWT GINGRICH]

Rick Perry's book "almost came too late"

41 posted on 10/19/2011 11:48:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: justsaynomore

Um, 9-9-9 and the flat tax are not the same animals.


42 posted on 10/19/2011 11:49:22 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: org.whodat

I’m confused by your claim — why is it that Cain couldn’t say “If I’m elected, I’ll implement Neal Boortz’s copyrighted tax plan”? Is Neal holding his plan hostage for royalties or something? Is it actually a violation of a copyright for government to implement Neal’s plan?

Or are you saying that Cain couldn’t take credit for a plan if it had Neal’s name on it, so Cain had to come up with his own named plan?

And anyway, Cain has said he wants Fairtax, but that he didn’t think that would be poltiically popular, so he picked 9-9-9 because it WOULD be politically popular. Once he gets elected on 9-9-9 and implements it, he wants to then get rid of 9-9-9 and implement the Fairtax.

Is Fairtax the Boortz plan? Because 9-9-9 isn’t much like Fairtax.

Also, if 9-9-9 is Neal’s plan, why does Cain keep saying Richard Lowrie is the primary author of the plan?

And why, if it is Neal’s plan, do news reports keep saying that Arthur Laffer helped design the plan, along with Stephen Moore?

So now the 9-9-9 plan is co-owned by Boortz, Laffer, Moore, AND Lowrie?

And how does a new tax plan which is revenue neutral help “cut the size of government”?


43 posted on 10/19/2011 11:50:16 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lib-Lickers 2
sorry to tell you but if Cain goes down Conservatives will turn to Newt Gingrich to take on Romney

I don't doubt that there is a contingent that will do just that. There are some here that remind me so much of the piece of dust on the Swiffer commercials - they run and attach themselves to the latest candidate that has a knack for putting together pretty words.

Sooner or later, it's going to come down to the two best financed and organized candidates - I hope a lot of people will come around and decide to get behind the most conservative of the two that has the best chance to win. Let's give it a month - and then we'll see who the latest "flavor of the week" is.

44 posted on 10/19/2011 11:51:02 AM PDT by alicewonders
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To: shield

The pictures is a self-contradicting mess! How can one claim ‘full-time leader’ when he is out shooting Skeet or birds? How does the posting illustrate fifference? It is aimed at similarities not differences!


45 posted on 10/19/2011 11:51:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: isthisnickcool
I never was a fan of Perry's. I made that clear here in the past.

Romney is a RINO and strikes me as an odd character. I have several Mormon friends. I love them all but I think that Romney's being a Mormon will hurt him. The Mormon Jesus is not the same Jesus most Americans follow. This will be used against him. Cain is great for the campaign but he has little cash and very little campaign structure beneath him. Newt is the most informed person around but he has been uber-flaky over the years. I first met Ron Paul when I was a kid and used to drive around with him from campaign stop to campaign stop, He was saying the same things back then that he does now. But, he is way too long in the tooth and is a little unbalanced. Bachmann is creepy-crazy and seems like she wants to jump on the nuke ala Slim Pickens, scream like a banchee and go for a ride. Santorum is the karaoke singer of the group. He has heard the tune, he knows the lyrics, but does not sound like the real deal. No star quality.

At this point I support Perry. We are a long way off and to go the distance the winner needs three things: Money, Money, Money. Money buys so many things crucial to a campaign for president. Media, people, data, electronics, etc. Perry has that and he is not Romney. It is not likely to happen but a Perry/Rubio ticket would be insane. If Perry is around in 90 days I would not be surprised to see Palin come out for him. It was obvious that they had been talking. Perry knew Palin was not going to run when he jumped in to the race.

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You are a smart person. Right down the line, you pretty much get it. You also show some flexibility and reasoning ability to change your support. We need a bunch more like you!!

46 posted on 10/19/2011 11:51:47 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: MHGinTN

999 is a hybrid of flat and fair tax and you will be using some the same arguments to defend the flat tax that some Perry supporters have been using against the 999.


47 posted on 10/19/2011 11:51:51 AM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: shield

The pictures is a self-contradicting mess! How can one claim ‘full-time leader’ when he is out shooting Skeet or birds? How does the posting illustrate difference? It is aimed at similarities not differences!


48 posted on 10/19/2011 11:52:03 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: shield

The pictures are a self-contradicting mess! How can one claim ‘full-time leader’ when he is out shooting Skeet or birds? How does the posting illustrate difference? It is aimed at similarities not differences!


49 posted on 10/19/2011 11:52:21 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
You WILL NEVER get my vote unless you RENOUNCE "free" college tuition for ...

The truth is they are NOT getting free tuition. They are paying the same amount for their college as other TX residents.

There is an important distinction. Your premise is a LIE.

50 posted on 10/19/2011 11:52:26 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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