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Will Romney’s Lawn Workers Sink His Candidacy?
The New Republic ^ | 10-19-2011 | Alec MacGillis

Posted on 10/19/2011 5:22:56 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Will Romney’s Lawn Workers Sink His Candidacy?

Alec MacGillis

October 19, 2011

Well, this much is clear: Rick Perry's campaign takes its cues from this blog, which just a few days ago asked in a headline, "Time for Perry to Bring up Mitt's lawn care?" Apparently, it was time. The question that came to my mind as that remarkable fracas last night was occurring was: could this turn into Mitt Romney's driver's license moment? Hillary Clinton was sailing along on an aura of inevitability in the fall of 2007, acing the debates much as Romney has done, when she found herself ganged up in a Philadelphia debate over her ambiguous stance over whether or not illegal immigrants in New York state should be allowed drivers' licenses.

It was a damaging moment because it brought to the fore all at once the less appealing side of her political persona, the trimming and calculating Hillary. There was a sudden similar risk in Perry's attack on Mitt's lawn workers (and what is it, anyway, with immigration as the issue that sparks revelatory moments in both parties' debates?) -- it reacquainted viewers very clearly with the Romney that he had managed to submerge so far in the campaign, the supremely wealthy suburban Boston pol who finds it unnervingly easy to talk away past positions or actions in blatant denial of the historical record. It will be up to viewers to decide what they make of this Mitt -- appealing to Anderson Cooper to restore order, his face red, his voice raised to a full shout -- in the constant replaying that the back and forth is sure to get in the coming days. Me, I thought the Times' Alessandra Stanley nailed it: "Romney looked a little like a country club tennis player dealing with a nonmember guest who gauchely calls a ball in that was obviously out." 

Still, for this to turn into an equivalent of Hillary's driver's license moment will require that there is another candidate who is able to capitalize on this opening the way that Barack Obama was able to do then, as he deftly zeroed in on the triangulating Hillary in the Jefferson-Jackson speech in Des Moines that revived his campaign. This is the chance for Rick Perry's team to prove they're as good as everyone in Texas says they are.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; belmontsanctuary; done; finished; immigration; ineligibleromney; kaput; mittromney; rickperry; rinoromney; romney; romney4illegals; romney4mexicans; romneycain; romneyhiredillegals; romneylied; romneyliesagain
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To: PapaNew

Perry had not yet finished. I didn’t hear a “time” either. Romney just jumped in ~ which he does every time somebody gets near to laying out the truth on his erratic behavior.


51 posted on 10/19/2011 6:01:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Bingo!


52 posted on 10/19/2011 6:02:54 PM PDT by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: Soul Seeker

Come on - are you gonna tell Perry if he ever ate at a Mexican restaurant that employed an illegal - that he is guilty of hiring illegals to cook his food?

This is bull - Perry looked like a sixth-grader last night. Petty argument, petty logic, petty Perry.

And now we are down to two...


53 posted on 10/19/2011 6:06:32 PM PDT by MrZippy2k
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To: smoothsailing
Perry's staffers should have known better than to have Perry bring this garbage up during a debate. This was already tried on Mitt before, I believe during his gubernatorial campaign against Shannon O'Brien back in 2002.

Back then, like now, Romney was able to easily that accusation out of the park. Because when you hire contractors to do work in or around your home, it is not YOUR responsibility to validate that the workers are are U.S. citizens. That is the responsibility of the contractor, who hires and pays these workers.

I had my roof done a few months ago and the roofing company brought workers that may or may not have been citizens but did I have the responsibility, or even the right, to walk out there, order them down the ladders and inspect their credentials?

There are plenty of legitmate reasons that we should not be supporting Romney for president but this is not one of them.

54 posted on 10/19/2011 6:06:57 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: PapaNew

Actually he told the Lawn Service AFTER the newspaper found out about the illegals.

I can’t have illegals working at my home. I’M RUNNING FOR OFFICE.

No problem until then huh.

Romney is barely tolerable with his say or do ANYTHING to get elected character.


55 posted on 10/19/2011 6:08:23 PM PDT by marty60
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To: muawiyah

Wow. That is incredible. I mean that. I appreciate people who stand by their conviction and suffer for it. Good job man.


56 posted on 10/19/2011 6:08:48 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Liz; AuntB; La Lydia

PING


57 posted on 10/19/2011 6:12:21 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: PapaNew
Dude, you just don't get it do you?

The whole point is, up until now, Romney has been “Mr-in-control”, “Mr. Cool”, “Etc”,,,.

Perry finally decided that all the nasty and downright vicious attacks from Romney, Bachmann AND Cain, just were no longer going to be allowed, so he shoved their own rank, rhetorical, BS right back in their face like they have been doing to him over the last 3 debates.

It exposes all of them for what they are and clearly illustrates that they are not immune to negative scrutiny simply because they were the ones dishing out the crap first.

I would love to hear more from you in regards to exactly why you are attacking Gov. Perry, but you seem to be somewhat limited in scope. But give it your best attempt anyway. I am listening intently.

58 posted on 10/19/2011 6:14:35 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: SamAdams76

Well I’m not particular, I don’t care what brings Romney down, as long as something does. If this were to destroy him, I’d be just as happy as I would be if it were something others found more substantive.


59 posted on 10/19/2011 6:14:59 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: normy
I doubt the blindness was punishment ~ rather, an enlightenment. Left me plenty of time to contemplate life, the universe, and everything ~ no, it's not really "42" ~ much more than that.

I am sure I got the right guy to do the lawncare.

60 posted on 10/19/2011 6:16:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Diogenesis

last night he lied multiply.
_______________________________________

Even Teddy Kennedy caught that in Romney back in 1994

He said Romney was “mutiple choice”

I guess thats the same thing...


61 posted on 10/19/2011 6:18:15 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Diogenesis

last night he lied multiply.
_______________________________________

Even Teddy Kennedy caught that in Romney back in 1994

He said Romney was “multiple choice”

I guess thats the same thing...


62 posted on 10/19/2011 6:18:43 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: muawiyah

I missed it? Please. It was completely intentional and f’ed Perry’s rhythm up terribly. Romney just did an excellent job of making Perry look like a fumbler. I’m not supporting Romney, far from it, but he made Perry look like the amateur candidate that he is.

It doesn’t hurt that most Texas voters have become yellow dog Pubbies, so that if Perry is at the top of the ticket for the GOP he has a lock on the office. He’s terrible at debating and lousy off the cuff because he hasn’t had to compete. Worse, he’s knuckled under and governed far less conservatively than he would have if Texas conservatives had demanded performance. He’s only been talking and walking as an arch conservative lately. The Dream Act stuff is more representative of his historic political bent.

Romney...pfeh. Why even talk about him as a candidate? Even more worthless than Perry.


63 posted on 10/19/2011 6:18:45 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: PapaNew

That plus the Romney care issue is more than enough to disqualify him. What has he said about abortion then and now? Gay marriage? Gun control? Job creation? And he defended social security in a way that was insincere.


64 posted on 10/19/2011 6:26:37 PM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: smoothsailing
The problem is Perry shouldn't have stopped with the illegal workers, once he had Romney on the ropes he should have finished him off with his past stands on amnesty and sanctuary cities.
65 posted on 10/19/2011 6:27:07 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: JosephMama
Hiring a contractor to work on your home is not something that will sink his campaign.

No, but as Mark Steyn mentioned today, Romney said "I can't have illegals working here. I'm running for office." Romney did let his guard down. Doesn't care about the illegality of aliens other than that it could make him look bad for his political ambitions.
66 posted on 10/19/2011 6:28:21 PM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: cripplecreek

30% or more of the voters can’t even name a single candidate.... and you expect them to remember that Romney hired illegal aliens years ago which was brought up in the 2008 primary debates?


67 posted on 10/19/2011 6:30:04 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: BfloGuy

<It’s absurd to claim that he should have known the citizenship of the people his contractor had hired.

Maybe, maybe not. I have one service that cares for the lawn and a another that does the mowing and snow removal. I told both companies that everyone who came on my property had to be legally able to work in the US. You can put your foot down about illegal labor if you want to.

I understand that Romney wouldn’t know who the contractor hired, but I think that these days, some assumptions can be made (i.e. that there are a lot of Hispanic lawn workers who may be illegal) and that one can take affirmative actions to hire Americans if that’s what one really wants to do.

I don’t completely blame him for not knowing who the contractor hired, but I am disappointed that he said it was an issue because he’s running for office, not because he didn’t want to hire an illegal.


68 posted on 10/19/2011 6:30:30 PM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, store food, pray for the Republic.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

That’s why Romney kept talking, interrupting, raising his voice, and begging Cooper to save him. He knew what might be next. Perry can go at him again on Nov. 9th. Last night was a start. Perry proved one thing - Romney is thin skinned and easily agitated.


69 posted on 10/19/2011 6:34:00 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

How sick is this? There are lots of legitimate reasons to reject Romney and the nation focuses on THIS?


70 posted on 10/19/2011 6:38:41 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: the invisib1e hand
try getting someone to do your lawn who isn't Mexican.

Out here on the west coast, a lot of landscaping workers are asian immigrants. But, I see your point. It's hard to get local kids to do any work. I've hired some, but they're lazy and tire easily - and want good money. The asians and Mexicans work hard and fast. One crew I hired to take out a large tree and lay concrete amazed me. One guy hacked away at a tree and stump for hours with a dull axe without stopping. He didn't speak english, but I managed to stop him and I took the axe and sharpened it on my grinder to a fine edge. Didn't seem to matter to him, but I made the job easier for him.

71 posted on 10/19/2011 7:03:28 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: smoothsailing

Short memories.....

Look what illegals did to Meg Whitman campaign in her governer race against Jerry Moonbeam Brown.

“Don’t let yesterday use up too much of today.”


72 posted on 10/19/2011 7:12:20 PM PDT by hapnHal (hapnHal)
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To: PapaNew
Frankly, sounds like a phony issue to me. Can't they get him on something more substantive than that?

It was a rehash of an issue from the 2008 primaries, and I still don't understand Perry's thinking, first because it didn't work in 2008 since Romney is now the frontrunner - if it was going to stick, Romney would be a non-issue in 2011. Second, if Romney was even partway competent, he would have pointed out that Perry's bigger backer is a home builder supports sanctuary cities and worked to kill off anti-sanctuary cities legislation. Perry dragging up people employing illegals was dumb as hell since he left the door open for Romney to take him down a few notches on the national stage, but fortunately for Perry, Romney was just as dumb.

Finally, and most importantly, there are much bigger things to fry Romney on and Perry didn't take advantage of them. Whoever is running his campaign or telling him what to say, they should be fired. It was the featured exchange of the night, and rather than Perry really hammering Romney on something bigger, it's just a stupid little spat between two kids on the playground over an issue that clearly didn't hurt Romney in the long run.
73 posted on 10/19/2011 7:14:09 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: the invisib1e hand

I had my choice of at least 25 different people to cut my grass and NONE of them were mexicans.


74 posted on 10/19/2011 7:22:39 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“try getting someone to do your lawn who isn’t Mexican.”

Real easy, mow it yourself — Been mowing my own lawn for the last 41 years!


75 posted on 10/19/2011 7:25:19 PM PDT by texican01
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To: BfloGuy

I’m not a fan of Mitt and I damn sure don’t like illegal mexicans but this is stupid. To expect someone to know this info from every subcontractor is silly.


76 posted on 10/19/2011 7:26:01 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: smoothsailing

Wasn’t there a Jack Benny skit where he was talking to a Mexican guy that kept saying See. His name was Ci. His wife’s name was Sue.


77 posted on 10/19/2011 7:37:51 PM PDT by political1 (Love your neighbors)
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To: smoothsailing

I cannot stand Romney.

But you guys (and Perry’s laughable try at attacking Romney for something Perry should stay about as far away as possible - Illegal immigrants!) trying to make this an issue is just absurd.

It really shows how desperate you and your candidate are.


78 posted on 10/19/2011 7:47:33 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: BfloGuy
"No. It’s absurd to claim that he should have known the citizenship of the people his contractor had hired."


Of course it is and it made Perry look desperate. I do like his embrace of the Flat tax and entitlement reform thought.
79 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:57 PM PDT by rob777
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To: PapaNew

There is plenty of material to sink Romney with. I honestly don’t know anyone who even considers voting for Romney. It wasn’t a winner for Perry. He blew it with that attack. The hypocracy was just stunning.


80 posted on 10/19/2011 8:01:40 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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81 posted on 10/19/2011 8:05:43 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: CSI007

I don’t care what sinks Romney, as long as something does and it’s done in the primaries. I don’t care who does it, either.


82 posted on 10/19/2011 8:13:14 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: CSI007

You gotta admit, Perry must have the balls of a brass monkey to attack Romney on illegal immigration, for Pete’s sake!
One wants to hire illegals and the other wants to give them in state tuition rates. Good grief.

Can we please find a real conservative who has a shot at winning this election??? Or are we going to have 2008 all over again?


83 posted on 10/19/2011 8:14:44 PM PDT by Laptop_Ron (The slippery slope is fastest at the bottom.)
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To: JosephMama

You missed the point. It was that Mitt is a major flip flopper and says one thing and does another.


84 posted on 10/19/2011 8:26:19 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: smoothsailing

hope so.


85 posted on 10/19/2011 8:28:29 PM PDT by ken21
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To: rob777

Even though this was the second time?

For the same people?
2 years, 2 different exposes?


86 posted on 10/20/2011 3:02:31 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Da Coyote
Sorry, but I hate RINOmney.

why be sorry?

we all hate him here at FR(I hope)....

but his hired landscape company using illegals is a stretch for Perry to go after him for....there is Sooooo much more...hey Rick, how about that ‘Obamney thing’

87 posted on 10/20/2011 3:51:20 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: smoothsailing

My condo association has a landscaping company that of course is all hispanic. I don’t dare throw my hat in the ring for the presidency because I’d be dead in the water if one of those guys was found to be an illegal and I didn’t do a thing about it.


88 posted on 10/20/2011 4:05:27 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.)
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To: smoothsailing

Will Perry’s tied to massive illegal alien employer Bob Perry (Perry Homes) sink him? Give me a break. Both Mittens and Perry are damaged goods on this issue.


89 posted on 10/20/2011 5:12:33 AM PDT by montag813
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To: smoothsailing

Will Perry’s ties to massive illegal alien employer Bob Perry (Perry Homes) sink him? Give me a break. Both Mittens and Perry are damaged goods on this issue.


90 posted on 10/20/2011 5:12:40 AM PDT by montag813
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To: muawiyah
Dick Morris blew it tonight over on O'Reilly. He took Perry to task for interrupting Romney. However, it was Romney interrupting Perry as he told the story of Romney being caught twice with illegals doing his lawn work.

I literally want to reach through the TV and grab Morris by the neck. He has his nose so far up Romney's butt its disgusting. He WILL NOT say a good word about Perry come hell or high water. He WILL NOT say a BAD word about Romney come hell or high water.

Did you catch the Frank Luntz focus group? I wish he would've asked the question, "By a show of hands, how many of you are Mormons?" Yeah, that's under the belt, but applicable.

None of those people in the focus group came into the room supporting Perry. Maybe 1 dude out of 30 or so. Luntz is about to send me off the edge as well. I think I'm done with Fox News altogether. They have become as biased for Romney as CNN is for Obama. Maybe WORSE!!

91 posted on 10/20/2011 8:25:55 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: the invisib1e hand
try getting someone to do your lawn who isn't Mexican

My husband does our lawn and he's a White guy.

92 posted on 10/20/2011 8:27:23 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: Hot Tabasco

“My condo association has a landscaping company that of course is all hispanic.”


Romney hired a legal immigrant from Colombian which was fine, but the man used almost exclusively illegal Guatemalans, they interacted with Mitt and his wife, speaking exclusively Spanish, for a decade, including Mitt’s time as a Governor, with high security, and background checks. Mitt pushed the workers onto other people, like his adult children.

In 2006, the Boston globe busted Mitt Romney for the illegals, it was a huge scandal. In the 2007 debates, Giuliani brought up Mitt’s “Sanctuary Mansion”, Mitt played dumb like he did in this debate and denied it, a few days later the Boston Globe gave it a shot, and guess who was there at Mitt’s house, the exact same situation, and the same Colombian with his illegal Guatemalans.

Your comparison is idiotic and ignores a real, and serious, 11 year period of actions and choices by a Governor, and now a Presidential candidate.


93 posted on 10/23/2011 12:09:57 AM PDT by ansel12
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