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In fifth debate, Perry Finally shows up
The Washington Examiner ^ | 10/19/11 | Byron York

Posted on 10/19/2011 6:39:17 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP

In previous debates, the adviser explained, Perry had tried to abide by time limits, leading some observers to say he seemed passive and withdrawn. Perry intended to make sure that didn't happen in Las Vegas.

It didn't. The Las Vegas debate was Perry's fifth, but the first one in which Perry really showed up to play. That doesn't mean he won, doesn't mean he was particularly likable, doesn't mean he always had cogent answers. But it does mean that Perry, on the verge of being completely written off as a candidate, gave himself a chance to get back in the game.

And Perry, for the first time in any GOP debate, rattled former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. He did it by bringing up a 2007 charge that Romney hired illegal immigrants to do lawn work at his Massachusetts home. Jobs are the magnet for illegal immigrants, Perry said. "And Mitt, you lose all of your standing, from my perspective, because you hired illegals in your home and you knew about it for a year. And the idea that you stand here before us and talk about that you're strong on immigration is on its face the height of hypocrisy."

Romney tried to laugh it off and to deny the story. "I don't think I've ever hired an illegal in my life," he said. Romney tried to explain, but Perry kept pushing, leaving Romney protesting that Perry was ignoring the rules -- just as Perry had planned.

"I'm speaking," Romney said. "I'm speaking, I'm speaking, I'm speaking. You get 30 seconds. This is the way the rules work here…Anderson?"

By the time Romney appealed to CNN moderator Anderson Cooper for help, Romney seemed flustered, almost frantic. "Would you please wait?" he said to Perry. "Are you just going to keep talking?"

(Excerpt) Read more at campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com ...


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Oh, and by the way, anyone who thinks that Perry did an "Awful" job in the debate, you need to pull your head out of where every you have been keeping it lately. To attack Perry at this venture, is to support Romney, since Perry is the only candidate with the guts to take the Teflon God off of his high horse! It's just that simple.......Fire away! I'm ready.

1 posted on 10/19/2011 6:39:22 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
the verge of being completely written off as a candidate,

Only to the news junkies, beltway, insiders, and professional politicians.

CNN's latest debate has a viewership of 5.5 million, which was down from the last FoxNews debate, which had 6.1 million.

Those numbers are way sort of the approximately 120 million voters.

Most of the voters are not paying attention. They see the few select video clips the news programs run, but most cannot even name the candidates, much less identify the candidates' positions and issues.

When the actual primaries voting starts, the polling will probably change also. Otherwise, we would be talking about President Guliani or President Hillary. And if bandwagonery were the decider, we would be talking about President Thompson.


2 posted on 10/19/2011 6:51:46 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

3 posted on 10/19/2011 6:51:57 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

So people are going to like his big mouth boorish side better than his arrogant condescending side? Good luck with that,


4 posted on 10/19/2011 6:52:19 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Actually, I am more interested in his Flat Tax and entitlement reform proposals than I am how he did in the last debate. This will guarantee that tax and entitlement reform get even more attention on the national stage. Cain's 9-9-9 plan has already put a discussion of tax reform front and center, now Perry can intensify discussion of this topic and add entitlement reform to the mix. Ron Paul's detailed proposal for spending cuts is another boost to this discussion. Regardless of who one backs, it is important that such issues get more attention.

Perry, along with the other candidates, need to put more focus on the fact that Romney did support NATIONAL mandates during the 2007-2008 Primary season. He can deflect criticism of Romneycare by saying that it was a state level plan and is not something he would support at the federal level. It is harder to deflect criticism of support for federal mandates at a time when there are several court challenges on this very issue. That is where they need to go after Romney.
5 posted on 10/19/2011 6:52:59 PM PDT by rob777
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
To attack Perry at this venture, is to support Romney, since Perry is the only candidate with the guts to take the Teflon God off of his high horse! It's just that simple.......Fire away! I'm ready.

Is that a joke? It took FIVE debates for Perry to land a single punch on Romney. Our nominee only gets 3 with Obama TOTAL. Perry did a great deed by flustering the metrosexual Mittens. But then when Perry tried to make his own points, he was as utterly incoherent as always. The more these two bash each other, the more Cain benefits.

6 posted on 10/19/2011 6:53:26 PM PDT by montag813
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Awful? Well, it was painful to watch, and I kind of felt embarrassed for him. He made Ron Paul look good. Heck, he made Huntsman look good in comparison. I think I now know what the Dems feel like when Biden starts talking. But I don’t know that the word awful would apply.


7 posted on 10/19/2011 6:53:34 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: TomGuy
Very true, at this stage, the campaign takes on a completely different direction as well as appeal.

Mr. Perry is still very much in it and most voters are watching how Romney lost his cool, short clip after short clip. I love it when phony jerks like Romney are exposed for what they are.

Perry won this one in a very big way.

8 posted on 10/19/2011 6:55:48 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
But it does mean that Perry, on the verge of being completely written off as a candidate, gave himself a chance to get back in the game.

Was he ever out of the game? And who was writing him off. Surely not the voters. I'm getting sick of the Press trying to nominate the Republican Candidate. It's starting to rub me raw. There hasn't even been one vote yet, and they are writing people off. We don't have the first vote yet and the press is deciding to end this or that candidates chances. I don't think any of the candidates should drop out until late spring at the earliest. I'd like to see a good number of primaries before we can say who the front runner is. People when they are polled will say and act differently when they actually get into the voting booth. What's the f***ing rush?
9 posted on 10/19/2011 6:56:01 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: montag813

I haven’t seen Cain take any jabs at Romney.


10 posted on 10/19/2011 6:57:00 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Rick Perry is Fred Thompson.

A lot of Conservatives really, really love the guy and think the future depends upon him. Others think he's asleep and failing to impress time after time. The fans deny it, but then one day it all just goes *poof* and eventually even the fans end up saying "Ehhh, maybe he wasn't quite that good."

11 posted on 10/19/2011 6:57:31 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: Darth Reardon
Your obvious bias towards Perry is starting to dominate your thinking, it seems.

The average American is not looking at it the way you are spinning it. Perry scored points with the second phase of the campaign season just beginning.

12 posted on 10/19/2011 7:00:23 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ClearCase_guy

And he came across like a chump. He is shallow and not very quick! Sorry folks, it’s pretty much over for Rick Perry!


13 posted on 10/19/2011 7:02:56 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s funny you would see it that way.

I see no parallel with Thompson what so ever. The contributions are radically different, the two candidate’s approach is also 180 degrees apart, and Perry is not an ex Senator of 6 years out of office.

There is just no comparison in my view. If anything I would say the due to Cain’s lack of enthusiasm and experience, also his serious lack of funding and ability to manage a campaign, the comparison between Thompson and Cain would be far more accurate.


14 posted on 10/19/2011 7:05:37 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Perry had nothing to lose, and I think he accomplished his goal which was to upset Romney and expose him for the lying jerk that Romney is.

It's a shame Perry passed on his opportunity to hammer Mitten with a backhanded apology in regards to his Mormon cult beliefs.

Perry, when ask to apologize should have said something to the effect of.... Hey, listen if Mitt over here wants to believe that he gets to be God of his own planet and that he has magic underware, then that's his constitutional right, but how I feel about Mitt being a Mormon isn't the issue, the issue is that a recent poll found that 40% of Republicans wont vote for a Mormon to be president. So the real question here is how Mitt plans to beat Obama when 40% of Republicans stay home?

15 posted on 10/19/2011 7:05:58 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Absolutely agree with you. Perry is absolutely the most qualified in this race.... Wait..that must make me a racist.

:O


16 posted on 10/19/2011 7:07:06 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Country Folks can survive....can you? Are you ready?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Is it time to draft Sarah Palin yet?


17 posted on 10/19/2011 7:07:55 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: montag813

You are way overrating debates. No elections were won or lost based on debates. If debates are so important then the candidates do not need to campaign, raise money, make speeches, meet with voters, run TV and radio ads, get out the vote, etc... they just hold few debates and then go on elections day. In fact in the general elections debates occur in the last few weeks before elections day and before the debates the candidate has already defined his opponent (and vice versa) and before the debates it would be known with over 90% chance whether someone would lose or win the elections.


18 posted on 10/19/2011 7:10:00 PM PDT by jgge
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
anyone who thinks that Perry did an "Awful" job in the debate, you need to pull your head out of where every you have been keeping it lately.

Then that would include the Frank Luntz focus group of Republican voters on Hannity who watched the debate and pretty much unanimously thought that Perry did a lousy job.

19 posted on 10/19/2011 7:10:24 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Yeah right, he tried throwing punches but became a punchline instead. I don’t know who’s more uninteresting and inept between Rumplestilskin and Ricky Ricardo.


20 posted on 10/19/2011 7:11:50 PM PDT by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
I see no parallel with Thompson what so ever.

In 2008, Thompson was said (by his detractors) to lack a "fire in his belly". They said he seemed to be asleep. He never really engaged. His supporters thought that he was sort of biding his time, but he would really explode when the time was right.

The title to this thread is "In fifth debate, Perry Finally shows up"

So, yes, you are right. Perry is not Fred Thompson. Thompson slept through all the debates. Perry only slept through the first four.

21 posted on 10/19/2011 7:11:50 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
I think Romney, still bleeding from the beating he took in this debate, will try to get the focus off of the issues that Perry got started. Case in point, the Illegal landscaper-caper.

I am not sure we have heard the last of this, since that soundbite from the debate was played over and over all day on all 4 cable networks, etc. America notices when a holier-than-thou hypocrite like Ronmey gets exposed.

It was classic, watching Romney squirm and cry to Cooper to please make him stop! I laughed my butt off!

22 posted on 10/19/2011 7:14:09 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

At this point I just want all of them to shake Romney out of the tree.

No more Obama, no more Romney.

I prefer— Perry/Gingrich or Gingrich/Perry.


23 posted on 10/19/2011 7:18:07 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

It was classic, watching Romney squirm and cry to Cooper to please make him stop! I laughed my butt off!
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Especially since Romney had no problem talking over Gingrich and interrupting or Santorum.

Can’t stand that greasy-headed man and his plastic, weasel smile.


24 posted on 10/19/2011 7:21:21 PM PDT by Irenic
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Perry attacking romney for hiring a lawncare co. that uses illegals is moronic. I don’t think there’s anything more obvious in the U.S. than 99% of paid for lawncare is done by illegals. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This was the most ham-handed attack on an opponent’s illegal immigration stance I’ve ever seen.
This is the best Perry or his advisors could come up w to deflect Perry’s own illegal issues?
No wonder he’s started spouting flat tax. His romney/illegal attack was top 10 in political history stupidity. Maybe he should get biden off his campaign team.


25 posted on 10/19/2011 7:23:45 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

FR seems pretty divided on Perry. He’s got many conservative positions, but others think he’s limited in debates and charge that he can be “bought”.

Nobody here likes Romney for obvious reasons.

Many like Cain’s common sense conservative approach, but others argue that introducing a federal sales tax is dangerous.

Paul is good on cutting out entire federal agencies, but his insinuations that we had 9/11 coming to us immediately disqualifies him.

The guy I’m left with, then, is Gingrich. Everyone talks about “baggage”, but with all the other candidates having glaring flaws, I’m not so sure this baggage is such a big deal. Newt has the most command of the issues on the stage at every debate. His 3 marriages aren’t ideal, but he can answer that the same way Bill Clinton did in the ‘92 Dem primary: “They want to make this election about my past; I want to make it about your future.”

It might seem impossible to some that Gingrich could win at this point, but consider this: McCain was in 4th place as late as December 12, 2007 in the RCP average.


26 posted on 10/19/2011 7:24:01 PM PDT by jwb0581 (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: Irenic
Romney was the same way on 2008, he seemed in control in all of the debates, was Mr. “super smooth”, etc, but the actual campaign and primaries showed a much different picture.

It all boiled down to the fact that Romney has trouble connecting with the average person or voter. He comes across as arrogant and above the cut, every where he goes. This is what will defeat Romney for us. Romney just being himself.

27 posted on 10/19/2011 7:27:41 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: montag813

I’m still waiting for Cain to lay one punch on Romney. He’s been in the race even longer then Perry so what’s his excuse.


28 posted on 10/19/2011 7:29:02 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Yeah, I’m biased. Perry kicked serious butt. Like that one time when he completed an entire sentence. That was SO cool!

Another performance like that and he may need to bring in Harkin to hold his coat afterwards.


29 posted on 10/19/2011 7:30:59 PM PDT by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

in the Luntz group last night even the Perry people thought he was petty, mean spirited, argued about a non issue and didn’t look Presidential.. the majority of the Perry supporters in the group before last night’s debate are now for somebody else... the only one bleeding is Perry from punching himself in the mouth so many times...


30 posted on 10/19/2011 7:32:23 PM PDT by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
A debate victory for Rick Perry is when he finished last but doesn't totally embarrass himself.

The “$17 Million Man” is running behind Captain Steubing (Michele Bachmann) in Iowa, New Hampshire, Florida and Ohio.

31 posted on 10/19/2011 7:33:47 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: TwoSwords

The hypocracy of that attack was stunning. LOL Both lost in that little dustup.


32 posted on 10/19/2011 7:34:18 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: jwb0581
Gingrich is a historical loser, has betrayed us so many times with his stance on Global Warming, having teamed up with the Left in support of their agenda, then goes on FOX and lies about how much he is against the very enemy he agreed with the week prior.

Gingrich is a complete embarrassment. But it is obvious that he has you totally buffaloed, so there is no point in discussing his countless issues.

33 posted on 10/19/2011 7:35:28 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Perry is a true conservative, unlike your candidate.


34 posted on 10/19/2011 7:38:52 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

His peformance was still quite poor, just not as big of a disaster as the previous once. He did improve a bit, though, but only looks good by comparison.


35 posted on 10/19/2011 7:38:56 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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once=ones


36 posted on 10/19/2011 7:39:35 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Yeppers!

He can do it if his advisors leave him alone. His back may also be better and he can concentrate more. Give 'em hell President Perry!

37 posted on 10/19/2011 7:41:16 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (2012—They vote twice— we'll vote three times.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I’m buffaloed by no one. They’re all flawed. I’m not sold on Gingrich at all. I’m just impressed with his debate performances is all I’m saying.

So instead of throwing my hands up and giving up on the GOP, I’m trying to find a reason to throw my support behind one of them. Who’s your candidate?


38 posted on 10/19/2011 7:41:48 PM PDT by jwb0581 (Borders, Language, Culture)
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To: montag813

No he is not a good debater, but he can certainly lay out his plans in speeches. He is thin articulate and knows what he is talking about. These so called debates have little to do with their ability. Notice that Perry supporters are not trashing Cain. To bad that Cain supporters can’t have the same courtesy.


39 posted on 10/19/2011 7:43:42 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: ClearCase_guy

Nope you are wrong on this one. Perry is no Fred Thompson. In fact Perry has never lost an election. I know how he campaigns.


40 posted on 10/19/2011 7:46:45 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Perry looked good I have to admit. It’s still early enough that he might mount a come back and at least win his home state if nothing else.


41 posted on 10/19/2011 7:46:56 PM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2

Oh yeah, toupee dude on Hannity. That “focus group” of his was sad, just a long Romney 2012 ad. They said a few condescending words about Cain, but I only saw one member of that group that said they’d vote for him.

Stacked for Mittens.


42 posted on 10/19/2011 7:47:45 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Nope, you are the one spinning pal. Not over for Perry regardless of your opinion.


43 posted on 10/19/2011 7:48:41 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

From what I’m hearing and reading both Romney and Perry shot themselves in the foot last night. Perry sure didn’t help himself except with those who were die hard fans in the first place.


44 posted on 10/19/2011 7:49:16 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: stilloftyhenight

Heck, I think romney won. What was Perry thinking? Is it because Perry can’t accuse romney of doing anything for illegals that he isn’t already doing? Perry just looked incompetent w that line of attack. Mexican lawncare is almost Mom and apple pie.


45 posted on 10/19/2011 7:49:47 PM PDT by TwoSwords (Has anyone seen my suspension of disbelief pills?)
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To: jwb0581

Newt is a talker, and a professional one at that. That is what you fail to see. You are basing everything on words or outward appearances.

Perry is a hard working, very busy man with a job to do. How hard is that for you to admire or see?


46 posted on 10/19/2011 7:49:47 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

When you are standing on top of the mountain, there is no need to play offense.


47 posted on 10/19/2011 7:49:57 PM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: jgge

“You are way overrating debates. No elections were won or lost based on debates...”

Um, er........ever hear of Kennedy/Nixon in 1960? Ford/Carter in ‘76? Bush Sr. caught checking the time on his wristwatch against Clinton in 1992?

Debates can have impacts on elections. It’s the public’s rare opportunity to see the two offerings side by side, actually exchanging with one another. Debate gaffes can be killer.

You may like your bumbling, stumbling, mumbling idiot better than “theirs” but if the general public sees the alternative no better then it doesn’t really matter what you think.

If Perry were to win the nomination and then get up there 3 times in a row against Obama with performances like these........he would be hammered and rightly so. People don’t want another W. and he’s just about as close a copy you’ll find in this collection of GOP hopefuls saving the poorer stage presence and grasp of the English language.


48 posted on 10/19/2011 7:52:17 PM PDT by JoenTX (?)
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49 posted on 10/19/2011 7:54:05 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Anyone who can make Romney have a Mitty-fit is ok in my book. Cheers to Santorum as well.

It's long past time to take the gloves off with Romney.
50 posted on 10/19/2011 7:55:24 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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