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Jack Daniel's Distillery Targeted for More Taxes
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Posted on 10/21/2011 8:04:42 AM PDT by jakerobins

For decades, Jack Daniel's whiskey has celebrated its small Tennessee hometown of Lynchburg with folksy, black-and-white advertisements urging folks to slow down and have a sip.

Now local officials want the maker of the world's top-selling whiskey to pay a bigger bar tab as they struggle with their budget. How does up to $5 million sound?

A measure approved by the Moore County Council asks the Tennessee legislature to authorize a local referendum on whether the distillery should pay that much in new taxes on the 500,000 barrels it fills with whiskey each year.

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Tax the only profitable company left in the area...that's a good idea. Whiskey Rebellion anyone....
1 posted on 10/21/2011 8:04:44 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

parasite government.


2 posted on 10/21/2011 8:06:47 AM PDT by ken21
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To: jakerobins

The ‘tax’ will be paid by the customers......or not, if they stop buying it because of the cost, there won’t be any taxes raised..............


3 posted on 10/21/2011 8:07:10 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: ken21

I guess it hasn’t occurred to them that they spend too much..........


4 posted on 10/21/2011 8:07:58 AM PDT by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: jakerobins

Great the people on their payroll already support most of the town and now they just want “ a little more”. I hope they move or create their own town.


5 posted on 10/21/2011 8:08:30 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: jakerobins

http://www.techlawjournal.com/glossary/legal/attainder.htm

Bill of Attainder

Definition: A legislative act that singles out an individual or group for punishment without a trial.

The Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 provides that: “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed.”

“The Bill of Attainder Clause was intended not as a narrow, technical (and therefore soon to be outmoded) prohibition, but rather as an implementation of the separation of powers, a general safeguard against legislative exercise of the judicial function or more simply - trial by legislature.” U.S. v. Brown, 381 U.S. 437, 440 (1965).

“These clauses of the Constitution are not of the broad, general nature of the Due Process Clause, but refer to rather precise legal terms which had a meaning under English law at the time the Constitution was adopted. A bill of attainder was a legislative act that singled out one or more persons and imposed punishment on them, without benefit of trial. Such actions were regarded as odious by the framers of the Constitution because it was the traditional role of a court, judging an individual case, to impose punishment.” William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 166.

“Bills of attainder, ex post facto laws, and laws impairing the obligations of contracts, are contrary to the first principles of the social compact, and to every principle of sound legislation. ... The sober people of America are weary of the fluctuating policy which has directed the public councils. They have seen with regret and indignation that sudden changes and legislative interferences, in cases affecting personal rights, become jobs in the hands of enterprising and influential speculators, and snares to the more-industrious and less-informed part of the community.” James Madison, Federalist Number 44, 1788.

Supreme Court cases construing the Bill of Attainder clause include:

Ex Parte Garland, 4 Wallace 333 (1866).
Cummings v. Missouri, 4 Wallace 277 (1866).
U.S. v. Brown, 381 U.S. 437 (1965).
Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, 433 U.S.425 (1977).
Selective Service Administration v. Minnesota PIRG, 468 U.S. 841 (1984).
See also, SBC v. FCC.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 8:11:33 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: jakerobins

Infernal revenuers.


7 posted on 10/21/2011 8:11:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: DCmarcher-976453

I saw a report on TV and one of the townspeople (had to be a liberal) said the Jack Daniels owes the town the money because Jack uses the town for its ads. So Jack Daniels somehow couldn’t exist without the town?? Ridiculous lib think like this makes me sick.....


8 posted on 10/21/2011 8:12:18 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: ken21

“Revenuers” for Hope & Change redistribution.


9 posted on 10/21/2011 8:12:38 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: jakerobins

JD could take out an ad in the paper looking for counties where it could relocate. That might get some attention.


10 posted on 10/21/2011 8:13:21 AM PDT by Larry Lucido ("#Occupy America" is a great success! I got mail today addressed to "Occupant"!)
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To: Red Badger

one thing missing from this report

is that the city gets the churn of the employees

in their community.

the money turns over several times and the city gets taxes.


11 posted on 10/21/2011 8:14:40 AM PDT by ken21
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To: jakerobins

The only thing unique about Lynchburg is tha water. Jack Daniels should release a study about how much it will cost to move all of its operations elsewhere and truck the water from where it now has a right to take it from. Let’s see how they will try to tax taking water from a stream.


12 posted on 10/21/2011 8:15:28 AM PDT by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - liberalism - the sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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To: jakerobins

They can move up here if they want. We already have Jim Beam, Maker’s Mark, Heaven Hill, etc...


13 posted on 10/21/2011 8:17:02 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: jakerobins

The ONLY reason that Jack Daniels is located in the Lynchburg, TN area(the area is DRY as well) is the WATER. JD needs to look nationwide for water of a similar nature and tell TN to SHOVE IT!


14 posted on 10/21/2011 8:17:45 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Red Badger

If this passes, I hope they add a ‘county cask fee’ to their bill for county residents only. Spell it out like a sales tax. Or, they could calculate the cost to the county if they relocate their business and run it in the local newspaper.


15 posted on 10/21/2011 8:19:06 AM PDT by kdot
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To: stylecouncilor

Move to SC ping....


16 posted on 10/21/2011 8:20:54 AM PDT by onedoug (lf)
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To: onedoug

LOL! I’m with you.....I can give Jack Daniels directions to my back yard........


17 posted on 10/21/2011 8:23:08 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

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18 posted on 10/21/2011 8:25:26 AM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: jakerobins

When we lived in Tennessee, the George Dickel distillery was practically in our backyard. We could clearly smell them burning charcoal or venting fermentation fumes, when the wind was right. Better whiskey than JD, in my opinion.

JD could move a few miles to Coffee County. How different could the water be? It’s a very big operation, though, especially the aging barns.


19 posted on 10/21/2011 8:27:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (You could be a monthly donor, too. It's easy!)
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To: jakerobins

Jack Daniels made the town famous, Brings in Tourists, and pays their tax’s. Now the town think the Distillery owes them money for making their little town successful.

To top it off you cannot get a drink of Jack Daniels in their town, so the town does nothing to support the Distillery.

It takes cast iron balls for this bunch to demand more money from Jack Daniels.


20 posted on 10/21/2011 8:28:24 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: jakerobins

How about an across-the-board $5M employee paycut while at the same time instituting a new benefit for workers commuting beyond, oh, say the distance between the distillery and the city limits. The commuter subsidy just might happen to make up for the paycut. Net result, the locals pay for the action of their elected revenuers.


21 posted on 10/21/2011 8:30:07 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: jakerobins
Leftist greed knows no boundaries.

Jack Daniels should tell the local government greedheads they will soon be making plans to start up another distillery in a more appreciative locale.

Without the tourism and jobs created by Jack Daniels the city of Lynchburg will be little more than a wide spot in a lonesome road and a place for the unemployed to pick up their food stamps.


22 posted on 10/21/2011 8:31:02 AM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: jakerobins
I saw a report on TV and one of the townspeople (had to be a liberal) said the Jack Daniels owes the town the money because Jack uses the town for its ads. So Jack Daniels somehow couldn’t exist without the town?? Ridiculous lib think like this makes me sick....

That is what happens 'cause Libs drink too much Chablis and not enough sippin' whiskey.

23 posted on 10/21/2011 8:33:47 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: jakerobins

let’s see...Hank Williams Jr, Gibson guitars, and now Jack. Has Obama declared war on country music?


24 posted on 10/21/2011 8:37:58 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Kentucky Whiskey?

Tennessee Bourbon?

I don’t know..... :-)


25 posted on 10/21/2011 8:40:37 AM PDT by Larry Lucido ("#Occupy America" is a great success! I got mail today addressed to "Occupant"!)
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To: bigbob

Might be....there seems to be a target on Tn’s back. I say that has the makings of a good Election night party...Jack Daniels,Guitars,and Hank? Woo hoo......LOL!


26 posted on 10/21/2011 8:42:08 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

I just caught a bit of this on the news. I watched a program the other night on the History Channel or Nat.Geographic on the distillery and how the whiskey was made, stored, taste tested and delivered. I didn’t catch how many people were employed but they were all regular, hardworking folks. Another Made in America success story..made me smile.

Whay does the government insist on killing off it’s Golden Geese? So frustrating and maddening.


27 posted on 10/21/2011 8:42:12 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: jakerobins
"The 145-year-old distillery, tucked away on 1,700 hilly acres down the road from Lynchburg's quaint town square, now pays $1.5 million in local property taxes."

~$1,000/yr/acre. How much does hilly land go for down there?

28 posted on 10/21/2011 8:42:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Iron Munro

Lynchburg is already just a wide spot in the road. We stayed a few days there in a B&B last April and there’s nothing there to do. I’m sure the locals make a killing off the BBQ cook-off. Charging people to park in their yards brings in a chunk of change.

As for moving it would probably be cheaper to just pay the taxes. That’s what the local government is counting on. The move would be expensive. There are very large buildings sittin’ on top of the hills that are packed full of barrels of aging whiskey.


29 posted on 10/21/2011 8:46:43 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: jakerobins

Because libtards do NOT think but talk. They are brain-dead imbeciles. When exactly have these morons ever make sense?


30 posted on 10/21/2011 8:47:25 AM PDT by max americana
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To: jakerobins
"County population in July 2009: 6,096 (all rural)"

~$1,000/head/yr.

31 posted on 10/21/2011 8:50:22 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jakerobins
Hubby & I went to see the Jack Daniels site earlier this year. Very impressive.

Needless to say, both JD and the local town made quite a bit on hubby & I as we purchased quite a bit for gifts.

IMHO, the town owes JD for it's livelihood because it if wasn't for JD, the town wouldn't be there. Go ahead, tax JD until it moves, then the town will go kaput.

32 posted on 10/21/2011 8:50:35 AM PDT by coder2
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I hope the people are wise and don't stomp on the one employer that has been around for so long and provided good jobs for generations...

please protect good American jobs....if whiskey is all we have left to produce, then so be it....we'll drink it up....

33 posted on 10/21/2011 8:53:25 AM PDT by cherry
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To: jakerobins

FOX talked about this a few minutes ago. They said they already contribute 64% [?] for taxes for their product! Did I hear them correctly? Are we out of our friggin’ minds for putting with our government!!!


34 posted on 10/21/2011 8:53:58 AM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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To: frithguild

Local business taxes are always up for negotiation if the business is a large enough employer. All J-D has to do is threaten to move. Watch how fast the demand for taxation comes down to something approaching ‘reasonable’.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 8:56:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: DCmarcher-976453

They can’t move. They’d lose their spring with the perfect limestone filtered water.


36 posted on 10/21/2011 8:59:47 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Tallguy; All

How much money will this bring in to the “County”
Nazis? This is making money for the county and populace!

http://www.themoorecountynews.com/news/index.asp

If it weren’t for Olde No. 7, no one would know where Moore Co. is.
Also they should rename the county, MORE!


37 posted on 10/21/2011 9:08:13 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Re-flush Congress in 2012, some crap remains!)
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38 posted on 10/21/2011 9:10:58 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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Well let’s see JD you already have your bottles made in Ohio....you may want to talk to Gov. Kasich about what kind of abatements you can get for moving your distillery here too.Would save you a bundle on shipping the bottles...


39 posted on 10/21/2011 9:16:18 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: jakerobins

Dear Mr. Charles Rogers, don’t forget that the Jack Daniels brand has been involved in the success of Lynchburg and the people of Moore County, not just the other way around. If Jack Daniels gets more expensive as a result of this proposed tax, I MIGHT still choose to buy it, but I would definitely think twice about visiting Lynchburg for a distillery tour, since the city apparently has such an envious ugly attitude toward one of its major businesses. Sorry, hotels and restaurants that may have benefitted from my visit!


40 posted on 10/21/2011 9:18:53 AM PDT by AirForceBrat23
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To: GOYAKLA

Another iconic American manufacturer — Harley-Davidson — threatened to move it’s final assembly operations out of York, PA when the state officials started talking about a major real estate tax hike. Former Gov. Rendell backed off and the plant stayed — for the time being.

Frankly, I think they are on their way out. Harley will eventually build more modern facilities in a right-to-work state. (They’ve already done this for Sportsters & Softails. All that’s left in York is the heavy-weight bikes.) I don’t think that they were really ready to make good on their threat this time around. The next time the state, county or city come knocking for a tax increase I expect that they will be ‘gone’.


41 posted on 10/21/2011 9:19:14 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: jakerobins
From the article: "Lynchburg and the people of Moore County have been involved in the success of the Jack Daniel's brand; the value of the brand worldwide is due in no small measure because they have marketed our town and people successfully," said Charles Rogers, who has led the campaign for the new tax.

Mr Rogers has this a little backasswards. As I see it the success of the town " ... is due in no small measure because they [Jack Daniels] have marketed our town and people successfully,"

Now, if Lynchburg had paid for advertising that Jack Daniels was a fine whiskey, they might have a point. But as I recall you cannot even BUY Jack Daniels in Lynchburg. Jack Daniels' advertising has increased the value of Lynchburg as a tourist attraction, not the other way around.

42 posted on 10/21/2011 9:20:07 AM PDT by In Maryland ("If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Mark Twain)
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To: jakerobins
>>> Whiskey Rebellion anyone....

Gives a whole new dimension to the shot heard around the world.


43 posted on 10/21/2011 9:24:03 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Slump Tester

Southern Indiana has lots of limestone. I’m sure we could find a stream for them to use.


44 posted on 10/21/2011 9:26:19 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Is that where Knob Creek is made ?
My personal favorite.


45 posted on 10/21/2011 9:35:36 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: In Maryland

This “logic” sounds alot like Elizabeth Warren to me. That we need to spread the wealth because they used the roads of the town. I don’t understand how these libs come up with these convaluted idiotic ideas!


46 posted on 10/21/2011 9:41:53 AM PDT by jakerobins
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To: jakerobins

If you are ever in the area, take the tour. It is fascinating. Basically an almost 200 year story of their ongoing battle with “the Revenuers”.

And the folks in Lynchburg must know their history. The distillery has moved twice before (once to North Alabama, once to St. Louis), trying to stay ahead of state-by-state prohibition laws. I’m sure they can pick up and leave again if you force the issue.


47 posted on 10/21/2011 9:46:26 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Terry Mross
That’s what the local government is counting on. The move would be expensive. There are very large buildings sittin’ on top of the hills that are packed full of barrels of aging whiskey.

Yeah - I know you're right.

I would just like to see them plant a seed of uncertainty in the minds of the locals.

Can you imagine the uproar against these taxers if the locals thought there was even a possibility the distillery might move some, or all, of the business, jobs and tax money elsewhere?


48 posted on 10/21/2011 9:49:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Slump Tester
They can’t move. They’d lose their spring with the perfect limestone filtered water.

Set up a distilling operation in Texas under a Delaware corporation, leave only a "water company" in Tennessee; also a Delaware corp. Set them both up as wholly-owned subsidiaries of a Delaware holding company.

No more corporate income taxes on the distilling operation; only the Tennessee water corporation would pay the 6.5% Tennessee corp rate. Purchase your own rail cars and ship the water via rail from Tennessee; Patriot Rail Corp might be a place to start calling for that.
49 posted on 10/21/2011 9:55:27 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: woodbutcher1963

Knob Creek is made by Jim Beam at their Clermont distillery, about twenty miles from here. Maker’s Mark is a few miles closer to me, and the Heaven Hill distillery is about thirty miles away.


50 posted on 10/21/2011 9:58:23 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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