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Herman Cain says poor won’t pay ’9-9-9 income tax
Daily Caller ^ | 10/21/11 | Alex Pappas

Posted on 10/21/2011 12:29:30 PM PDT by Evil Slayer

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said on Friday that poor Americans will not have to pay the 9 percent flat income tax under his now-famous “9-9-9” tax reform plan.

During a speech in front of a vacant train depot in Detroit, the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO staunchly defended his signature tax proposal from critics who say it will raise taxes for lower-income Americans.

Cain’s plan would throw out the current tax system in favor of a 9 percent corporate tax, a 9 percent income tax and a new 9 percent national sales tax.

He said Friday that poor people under his plan would be exempt from paying the income tax.

“If you’re at or below the poverty level, your plan isn’t 9-9-9,” Cain said. “It’s 9-0-9.”

The former pizza executive also unveiled his proposal on Friday for “opportunity zones” to help “renew distressed inner cities.” His proposal includes offering tax exemptions to businesses that invest in these zones.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; cainvsunable; fairshare; flashmobs; ghettotaxbreaks; spreadthewealth; taxinator; taxtrain; wafflehouse
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1 posted on 10/21/2011 12:29:31 PM PDT by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

Then what good is it?


2 posted on 10/21/2011 12:30:17 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Evil Slayer

So basically the ONE selling point this thing had is off the table. As I knew it would eventually be—I just didn’t think it would be immediate.


3 posted on 10/21/2011 12:30:57 PM PDT by riri
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To: Evil Slayer

The primary benefit of the 9% sales tax is to put everyone into the game.


4 posted on 10/21/2011 12:31:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

And those not paying income tax now and not paying income tax under 999, will be paying the new sales tax. So, i don’t see how this solves what Cain says it does.


5 posted on 10/21/2011 12:33:44 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Evil Slayer

So that basically negates the whole “skin in the game” talking point...


6 posted on 10/21/2011 12:33:57 PM PDT by rainee
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To: riri

Slashing corporate tax isn’t a selling point?


7 posted on 10/21/2011 12:34:19 PM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Evil Slayer

Good time to open an automated liquor store in the inner city.


8 posted on 10/21/2011 12:34:19 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Evil Slayer
Do they still have to pay social security? FICA?

i thought that was going to drop from 15 % to 9

i don't care - i still like 9-9-9 more than any other plane

just for the PIWER (of the 85,000 page tax code) that it would take away from the government

9 posted on 10/21/2011 12:34:33 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Evil Slayer
Do they still have to pay social security? FICA?

I thought that was going to drop from 15 % to 9

I don't care - I still like 9-9-9 more than any other plane

just for the POWER (of the 85,000 page tax code) that it would take away from the government

10 posted on 10/21/2011 12:35:03 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Evil Slayer

I thought it brought in the 47% who didn’t pay taxes now? 999 is a mess.


11 posted on 10/21/2011 12:36:03 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: madison10
They also won't pay all of the sales tax; there is an exemption for that one too....for the "poor". And then there are the "special" business exemptions for the "empowerment zones".

So this plan STINKS ON ICE, as I have been saying since it came out.

12 posted on 10/21/2011 12:37:14 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: lahargis

If he keeps watering it down, it’s gonna be back to what it is now.


13 posted on 10/21/2011 12:38:27 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: nopardons

“So this plan STINKS ON ICE, as I have been saying since it came out.”

There needs to be a Goodfellas flat tax that everybody pays so everybody has an interest in keeping it down; “F*** you, pay me.”


14 posted on 10/21/2011 12:39:38 PM PDT by jessduntno (Obama shanks. America tanks.)
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To: Evil Slayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aasMbwKFtes&feature=related


15 posted on 10/21/2011 12:40:31 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Evil Slayer

Bummer. I’m all for a regressive tax. At least some folks start paying, thus taking the temptation to have productive folks to “pay their fair share” off the table.


16 posted on 10/21/2011 12:40:37 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Evil Slayer

This plan is falling apart so fast I can’t keep track.

First it was 999, then it some opportunity zones it would be more like 333, now we find out for anyone below the poverty line it will be 909 (and presumably in opportunity zones it will be 303). Before we are done all the good this plan was supposed to achieve will be wiped out.


17 posted on 10/21/2011 12:41:11 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Evil Slayer

http://news-releases.uiowa.edu/2011/october/102111Hawk%20Poll%20Topline.pdf


18 posted on 10/21/2011 12:41:43 PM PDT by Grunthor (BEAT OBAMA WITH A CAIN!)
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To: Evil Slayer

So . . . if the poor are exempt, then maybe it is a new federal tax on the middle-class and it’s not so simple after all. Cain is losing it now, he’ll drop.


19 posted on 10/21/2011 12:42:24 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Evil Slayer

No president can wave a magic wand and change the tax code. A president can ask for tax code changes and sign legislation. All tax laws originate in the House of Representative Ways and Means committee. I believe that is in the constitution.


20 posted on 10/21/2011 12:43:12 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Mr. K

I thought that was going to drop from 15 % to 9

Cain ha sbeen saying the people won’t be paying the 15% payroll tax. Actually people pay 7.65% the employer pays the other 7.65%!


21 posted on 10/21/2011 12:43:42 PM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: jessduntno
"There needs to be a (majorly gov't supporting) ...... tax that everybody pays so everybody has an interest in keeping it down"

Yep.

22 posted on 10/21/2011 12:43:45 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jessduntno

I agree, a flat tax IS the answer; however, first the states are going to have to vote to repeal the 16th amendment.


23 posted on 10/21/2011 12:43:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Paladin2

The 9% natl sales tax is the great equalizer.


24 posted on 10/21/2011 12:44:44 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Evil Slayer

I like the 9-9-9 plan.

I don’t know why he surrendered to the liberal media.

He should just exempt natural food(fruit, grains, beans, vegetables and meat) and housing and he would kill all the criticism about hurting the poor.

If Cain was really smart, he would replace the sales tax with a 9% tariff, and start taxing foreign capital instead of domestic consumption.


25 posted on 10/21/2011 12:45:00 PM PDT by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Evil Slayer

They are still paying the sales tax.

That is more than they pay now.


26 posted on 10/21/2011 12:45:35 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Evil Slayer

The simple flat tax is preferable to this bureaucratic monstrosity. Cain needs to say he would sign a flat tax if Congress passed it.

The “opportunity zones” are nonsense. “Spread YOUR jobs around” to places like Detroit. Nothing conservative about it, federal laws should apply to everyone and everywhere equally. having states beg annually some federal bureaucracy for a zone is asinine.


27 posted on 10/21/2011 12:46:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: forgotten man

You are correct and this 9-9-9 plan, which now appears to have many different variants, is just a damned GIMMICK; a gimmick that far too many have fallen for!


28 posted on 10/21/2011 12:47:17 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: radpolis
I don’t know why he surrendered to the liberal media.

Agreed. I don't know why our guys fold like a cheap suit whenever the drivebys say "Boo!". This business of half the country not paying any income tax must change or the counry's done.

29 posted on 10/21/2011 12:47:36 PM PDT by Marathoner (Occupy Wall Street = Parasites on Parade)
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To: Evil Slayer

He’s just making this crap up as he goes along. By the time the primaries roll around God knows what the 9-9-9 plan will look like.


30 posted on 10/21/2011 12:48:14 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: Flightdeck

Cain needs to support a flat tax.


31 posted on 10/21/2011 12:48:14 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Evil Slayer

It’s the spending, stupid! And out of control government! Concentrate on cutting the spending, eliminating unconstitutional government departments, agencies and programs, slash the bureaucratic red tape, set our people free to produce and let the free economy soar!! Taxes will come down and we can flatten the rates once we get the spending and the abusive socialist government under control and OFF OUR BACKS!!


32 posted on 10/21/2011 12:49:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: rainee

They still have the sales tax.


33 posted on 10/21/2011 12:49:24 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: jimmyo57

Self-employed pay the whole payroll tax.


34 posted on 10/21/2011 12:50:42 PM PDT by RGVTx
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To: jimmyo57
Actually people pay 7.65% the employer pays the other 7.65%!

The employer doesn't PAY anything. That is a part of the employee's salary. Self employed folks pay the entire 15%.

35 posted on 10/21/2011 12:51:08 PM PDT by numberonepal (I'm on the Cain Train. The Herman Cain Train!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Cain will cut spending.

HC: First, you do an across-the-board cut, if they have not done it already by the time I get to the White House. For example, you say that we’re going to cut the spending of every federal agency across the board. Then you do your vertical cuts. This is where I would sit with each of my cabinet secretaries, who will have to be approved by the Senate, and do a deep dive into every agency looking for whole programs to eliminate. We’re not going to be able to cut federal spending seriously, and make a dent in the national debt, if we don’t cut whole programs.

And I believe those programs are there. A guy we met in Iowa studied federal grants, and he says that coming out of Washington’s 1,000 federal grant programs, only 19 of them are block grants. Nineteen! Are you going to tell me we can’t find some programs in there that ought to be terminated? I think we can, but the only way we get to that point is to do what we call vertical budget cutting.

It can’t be that you let the permanent bureaucratic staff bring you all of these hurt old people and puppy dog programs and say we can’t cut them, and then you’ve got all the other programs that should have been gone a long time ago, and they hide in the budgets. I did the same thing when I went to Godfather’s. I did the same thing when I went to Burger King. It’s called active budget-cutting, not just passive budget-cutting.

http://www.northstarwriters.com/2011/01/14/interview-herman-cain-seeks-to-be-a-peoples-president/


36 posted on 10/21/2011 12:51:55 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: nopardons
You are correct and this 9-9-9 plan, which now appears to have many different variants, is just a damned GIMMICK; a gimmick that far too many have fallen for!

This can't be possible. I was told repeatedly by Cain supporters that it would be much more difficult to raise income taxes on one tax bracket but not other tax brackets. I was assured that it would be extremely hard to do since everyone would have skin in the game.
37 posted on 10/21/2011 12:53:02 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: Baladas

He has certainly bungled this 999 plan.


38 posted on 10/21/2011 12:53:23 PM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: SoJoCo
He’s just making this crap up as he goes along.

Yes, it appears so. Damn, I really wanted to hang my hat on him.

C'mon Herman, you can't keep changing the plan every few days. The Dems are going to make mincemeat out of you.

39 posted on 10/21/2011 12:53:44 PM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Manic_Episode
Nope.........Cain has an exemption/prebate for those at or below the poverty level; a level that keeps raising.

This plan ADDS A NEW FEDERAL TAX; not to mention get rid of all deductions such as charitable ones and mortgage interest.

It lowers the Fed bit on income tax ( for many ), lowers the cap gains tax ( which Cain has NO idea about anyway ), but since everyone will NOT have to pay the same, the plan is a fraud; a lie sold to the gullible .

40 posted on 10/21/2011 12:54:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Evil Slayer
So who is considered poor? If someone makes one dollar more than poverty line would he/she paying sales tax? Should we shop in the crappy inner cities to avoid sales tax?

This fool is making up stuff as he goes along. What a joke.

41 posted on 10/21/2011 12:55:27 PM PDT by jgge
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To: SoJoCo
He’s just making this crap up as he goes along. By the time the primaries roll around God knows what the 9-9-9 plan will look like.

Doubt he ever thought he'd get this far. I bet Cain had just planned his candidacy to help push the party to the right and promote his book. Now that people are taking him seriously, he has to go back and rework stuff like 999 because it can't possibly stand up to scrutiny.

By the time he's done amending it, 999 will look nothing like the simplistic plan it was originally designed to be.

42 posted on 10/21/2011 12:55:51 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: riri

They would still have to pay the 9% sales tax, and several others who aren’t paying taxes for whatever reason (those above the poverty level) will have to pay now.


43 posted on 10/21/2011 12:55:55 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: justsaynomore

“They are still paying the sales tax.”

Not in his ghetto empowment zones. 999= total fail.


44 posted on 10/21/2011 12:56:18 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Evil Slayer

I’m not for or against 999 but Cain’s logic seems to get so convoluted when he attempts to answer critics. Not just on 999 but other issues such as abortion. Not ready for primetime?


45 posted on 10/21/2011 12:57:53 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Beagle8U

Yes they are, it isn’t 0-0-0.

It is 9-0-9. 9% business, 0% income, 9% sales.

Your post = total fail.


46 posted on 10/21/2011 12:59:56 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: steve86

And besides, I want a new leader of the free world and a moral leader, not an amateur tax accountant.


47 posted on 10/21/2011 1:00:14 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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To: Evil Slayer

Just one more nail in the Cain Campaign Coffin.

Next thing you know, he’ll be calling more people than just Rick Perry “racist.”


48 posted on 10/21/2011 1:00:39 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Evil Slayer

Much spending needs to be cut. Federally funded, local regulatory (environmentalist), anti-family and other frivolous/counterproductive offices need to be closed. Useless/damaging federal funding to leftist locales is stopped at the federal level.


49 posted on 10/21/2011 1:01:31 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" --Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: Evil Slayer

Exceptions and waivers make Cain’s 9-9-9 not much better than the existing monstrosity.

In a few years of accumulated waivers and exceptions, it will have thousands of pages, and require a bureaucracy to oversee.

Sort of like the progressives’ stuff — it looked good on paper, but then comes the unintended consequences.


50 posted on 10/21/2011 1:02:00 PM PDT by TomGuy
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