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Herman Cain says poor won’t pay ’9-9-9 income tax
Daily Caller ^ | 10/21/11 | Alex Pappas

Posted on 10/21/2011 12:29:30 PM PDT by Evil Slayer

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said on Friday that poor Americans will not have to pay the 9 percent flat income tax under his now-famous “9-9-9” tax reform plan.

During a speech in front of a vacant train depot in Detroit, the former Godfather’s Pizza CEO staunchly defended his signature tax proposal from critics who say it will raise taxes for lower-income Americans.

Cain’s plan would throw out the current tax system in favor of a 9 percent corporate tax, a 9 percent income tax and a new 9 percent national sales tax.

He said Friday that poor people under his plan would be exempt from paying the income tax.

“If you’re at or below the poverty level, your plan isn’t 9-9-9,” Cain said. “It’s 9-0-9.”

The former pizza executive also unveiled his proposal on Friday for “opportunity zones” to help “renew distressed inner cities.” His proposal includes offering tax exemptions to businesses that invest in these zones.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; cainvsunable; fairshare; flashmobs; ghettotaxbreaks; spreadthewealth; taxinator; taxtrain; wafflehouse
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To: DTxAg
I've tried and tried to get through to Cain's plan supporters, but as you can see,on this thread, they are dug in and refuse to actually see reality.

The House is the SOLE writer of our tax codes; GOD help us.

Then it goes to the Senate.

Then, once the two Houses play around with it all, the final BILL goes to the president.

There was NEVER the slightest possibility that this screwed up, badly thought out, even worse "explained", by Cain, himself, POS daydream for the terminally gullible, was going to become the law of the land. And Cain's"promise" that none of the taxes would ever go up, is simply a lie.

51 posted on 10/21/2011 1:02:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: madison10

Exactly! The poor need to pay their “fair share!”


52 posted on 10/21/2011 1:02:28 PM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: justsaynomore

Wrong. He changed that one a couple days ago to 333 in the ghetto zones. Now I guess it will be 303 there. Who knows what it will be tommorow in this ‘make it up as you go’ “Plan”.


53 posted on 10/21/2011 1:05:06 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: DTxAg

Come on learn how to take a joke, the 9-9-9 was a joke and now the serious tax plan is coming from the joker Cain, and then that serious tax plan would be a joke as well and another serious plan would come after… rinse, repeat, etc… The important thing is that America needs to learn how to take a joke. Now let us all chant, Hermintor, Herminator, Herminator, Pizza, Pizza, Pizza, 9-9-9, 9-0-9, 19-14-14, 22-17-19,…


54 posted on 10/21/2011 1:06:18 PM PDT by jgge
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To: Semper911
Cain has never held an elected office.

Cain has NO idea how to run for an elected office,now, and obviously he didn't, when he lost his primary to run for the Senate.

He isn't an economist and even though he ran businesses, that doesn't mean that he understands HOW our government works. And his advisers aren't do him any favors.

He doesn't even understand this plan and can't explain it, nor even do anything but backtrack on everything he says.

I'm sure that he is a nice man, but he should NOT be running for president;especially since he is so damned unprepared in so many different topics!

55 posted on 10/21/2011 1:08:15 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Beagle8U

NO he didn’t.


56 posted on 10/21/2011 1:09:06 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: steve86

He’s shockingly less ready than most assumed.


57 posted on 10/21/2011 1:11:00 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Evil Slayer

Once he finishes fine tuning it we will have essentially the same income tax plan we now have along with with a new sales tax to boot!

Stay away from it and concentrate on cutting spending instead of catchy named new tax plans to collect more taxes.


58 posted on 10/21/2011 1:13:19 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: madison10

I swear some of you people just are dumb. How are you going to win an election with ads saying your going to raise taxes on the poor. We all still get 9/9/9 and we all still get a better tax system. The idea is for people to pay less in taxes

You guys are willing to throw this tax plan out the window because those who don’t pay taxes still won’t pay income tax but are still paying a sales tax. The idea is to eliminate the income tax anyway

Them not paying hurts you in no way and you still pay much less...you guys sound like liberals saying you want people to pay more in taxes.

I swear today the site is filled with dunces who don’t know how to win an election!


59 posted on 10/21/2011 1:15:20 PM PDT by chevydude26
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To: Evil Slayer

Rick Santorum’s idea is better: “What’s wrong with 0-0-0?”


60 posted on 10/21/2011 1:15:37 PM PDT by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: justsaynomore
YES HE DID !

There are exemptions, now, for "the poor", vis-a-vis the income tax AND the sales tax AND for businesses who are willing to open businesses in places like DETROIT....not just in all "poor" areas.

Do try, please, to keep up.

61 posted on 10/21/2011 1:15:59 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: chevydude26
Yes, this site is now filled with "dunces" and you need to look no farther, than into the nearest mirror, to see one.

When you keep on exempting more and more people, someone/s have to make up the slack! Guess WHO that will be?

And no, even by lowering taxes on some things, the ADDITION of a new tax, will more than make up for what you imagine you will "save".....IF it could even get passed in the first place, which it couldn't.

62 posted on 10/21/2011 1:20:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Evil Slayer

First choice:

Pass Balanced Amendment and

Repeal 16th Amendment (or just not implement it anymore). Abolish all income taxes and payroll taxes. Establish 25% National Sales tax. Government can supplement revenue by putting tariffs on countries that are now ripping us off.

2nd Choice:

Pass Balanced Amendment and

Straight Flat tax; no deductions, no execeptions (rate I dunno...10%?), Abolish all other taxes except for tariffs which I think we should use more anyhow.

There I fixed everything.


63 posted on 10/21/2011 1:21:39 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Iron Munro

See this is the stupid type of remark I’m talking about no 9/9/9 will not turn into the 40% income tax we have now. Your just throwing straw man arguments

Like I said if you get 9/9/9 and some other people get 9/0/9 or 3/3/3 how is it not a better plan than what we have now

You know the opinions here don’t matter anyway it’s such a small percentage of the people who actually vote I don’t know why I’m wasting my time explaining it. We all hated McCain back in 08 and he still got the nomination and now it’s because too many of our kind are so damn picky we end up with crappy candidates that we throw out perfectly good conservatives over a small trivial issue

I’m beyond angry with freerepublic today and I wish Rush Limbaugh could point out how stupid a lot of you are acting today

Alright have fun losing with Romney you reap what you sow you picky bastards


64 posted on 10/21/2011 1:22:12 PM PDT by chevydude26
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To: Evil Slayer

Not good. Everyone needs to pay the same percentage of income. If he’s backing down, I’m off the Cain Train.


65 posted on 10/21/2011 1:24:51 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: chevydude26
no 9/9/9 will not turn into the 40% income tax we have now

Yeah, it's not like the current income tax started as a low percentage against those evil rich people and then morphed into the tax system we have today. And I'm sure the Democrats this time around will refuse to raise that 9% income tax, starting with those rich people.
66 posted on 10/21/2011 1:31:22 PM PDT by DTxAg (The Presidency is not an entry-level position.)
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To: chevydude26
Oh grow up; this is primary season; not the general election!

I won't vote for Romney in the primary,nor in the general election, as he wouldn't be any better than Obama, if he could beat him.....which he can't.

Face it.........we have a lousy field and Cain, though probably a good man, shouldn't be trying to run for president. He keeps on having to backtrack on things he says and this 9-9-9 plan stunk on ice from the beginning. And now, the plan is just getting worse and worse. Heck, even one of the guys who wrote it is now backing away from it and Cain has NO idea what it actually is, nor how to explain and "sell" it.

67 posted on 10/21/2011 1:33:25 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Evil Slayer

This is disappointing. His plan seems like it is morphing into just another redistribution scheme?
Otherwise, is he attempting to appeal to Obama voters???


68 posted on 10/21/2011 1:33:40 PM PDT by Leep
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To: Evil Slayer

Actually it’s just another nine by the math major.
9,9-9,9


69 posted on 10/21/2011 1:37:00 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Evil Slayer

Another thing I don’t see anybody bashing Reagan for the earned income tax credit

I apologize if I sounded harsh earlier I just get passionate and I hate seeing you guys bash good conservatives


70 posted on 10/21/2011 1:50:38 PM PDT by chevydude26
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To: Evil Slayer

I don’t watch Herman Cain when he first speaks anymore. I’ve given up trusting my ears. Now, I wait 24 to 48 hours for his clarification. It is much easier that way.

(I’ve been supporting him, but his “misstatements” and lack of organization are starting to give me doubts.)


71 posted on 10/21/2011 1:52:38 PM PDT by chickenlips (Mitt Romney, Obama's ticket to term 2)
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To: Evil Slayer

Here we go again. The beginning of the list of “exemptions.” I guess it’s “compassionate conservatism.”


72 posted on 10/21/2011 2:02:25 PM PDT by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: chevydude26

Don’t worry about it. Most of us here are trying to get it together. Better for we conservatives to hash out our differences now, than let them fester until the general election.


73 posted on 10/21/2011 2:04:02 PM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: nopardons
The 47% who pay nothing now WILL pay sales tax, while at the same time my taxes will go down significantly.

Justice.

74 posted on 10/21/2011 2:09:35 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: ex-snook
Cain's plan is already in the bag.....


75 posted on 10/21/2011 2:17:23 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: Manic_Episode
No they won't..........there are now all kinds of exemptions!

Are you sure that your tax bite will go down? Don't be so sure of that!

76 posted on 10/21/2011 2:24:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Thane_Banquo
I am telling you, that before everything would be said and done, they wouldn't. They'd be getting vouchers and credits.

The one thing this plan had going for it was simplicity and fairness. Now it's a malleable concept which would be manipulated at politicians whim to buy votes just like what we already have.

I swear the more cynical part of me thinks conservatives will buy into ideas that would never be bought into if they think a conservative is selling it and that we are seeing the first attempt to conned into something here on that notion--

77 posted on 10/21/2011 2:33:19 PM PDT by riri
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To: Evil Slayer

Should have kept it 9-9-9 and exempted grocery purchases w/o regard to income. Stop reacting, Herman. Gloom


78 posted on 10/21/2011 2:43:55 PM PDT by Havisham
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To: justsaynomore; Beagle8U

Last Friday Cain gave an interview to CNN and in response to a question on affirmative action Cain said he
didn’t believe in mandatory affirmative action
and then outlined his program which sounded like a taxation affirmative action.
Or buying votes from blacks.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1110/13/ebo.01.html

Cain said that unemployed black Americans living in the most economically depressed areas ,
like Detroit , would pay less than 9-9-9.
Cain had been calling them empowerment zones , I don’t know what he is calling it this week.

Cain said they were still working out the details .
“ Instead of in a designated empowerment zone, it being 9-9-9,
it could be, as an example
only, 3-3-3.”

“What this does, because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit,
.........you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”

Jonathan Karl reported on this for World News this past Monday.

” In another unconventional move for a Republican,
Cain’s aides tell me he’s going to make a direct appeal
for African American votes,
unveiling a plan later
this week to help inner city poor.
A plan , I am told , that will include tax rates even lower
than 9 9 9. “


79 posted on 10/21/2011 3:04:18 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Evil Slayer

Setting the stage for Myth Romney to take the nomination. Why, Hermann, Why!!!!!!


80 posted on 10/21/2011 3:29:03 PM PDT by joseph schlitz (7 of our 57 states have still not reported their 2008 Presidential election results)
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To: joseph schlitz

It’s nothing like what is being portrayed on this thread.

There is a better discussion here, including the text of the plan:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2796060/posts

What I like is that to qualify for the income tax cut, the area has to be right to work, and have school vouchers. That is a stake in the heart of the democrat stronghold - unions and education. I think it’s genius


81 posted on 10/21/2011 3:32:58 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Evil Slayer

BIG_LETDOWN_PING!


82 posted on 10/21/2011 3:33:17 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: chevydude26
See this is the stupid type of remark I’m talking about no 9/9/9 will not turn into the 40% income tax we have now. Your just throwing straw man arguments

You know that congress would never raise the rate beyond 9% because.....?


83 posted on 10/21/2011 4:36:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Evil Slayer
Getting closer to a flat tax.

Once he is all the way there, then he will have something he can really run on.

84 posted on 10/21/2011 5:00:41 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Keep it simple — “I’ll cut taxes and cut federal spending — beginning with the phony baloney Obamacare, and give a colonoscopy to the Obama administration’s money laundering operations like Solyndra.” Thanks Evil Slayer.


85 posted on 10/21/2011 6:01:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jimmyo57
Cain has been saying the people won’t be paying the 15% payroll tax. Actually people pay 7.65% the employer pays the other 7.65%! ?

OMG did you really just say that seriosuly?

Your 'employer' does not pay it. YOU pay it.

What difference would it make if he gave you all 15% first, and then you sent it all in?

If your employer pays you a salary of 100 dollars then it costs him 107.50 dollars to hire you. He could give you all 107.50 dollars and you could send it in, and it would cost him exactly the same.

86 posted on 10/22/2011 8:29:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Mr. K
If they made the employee pay the entire amount, they would lose more seats in congress. So they place the burden on the employer, and then the congress critters don't look so bad.

The actual money, however, comes out of the employer's pocket. It is part of the gross, and the employer deducts that amount on the 941 from the gross, prior to calculating income.

It is the same with "raising taxes on the rich". Simply put, there is less of them, but the money comes from their customers, yes, everyone else. It simply shifts the "blame" in raised costs to the rich, rather than where they should be, the congress.

87 posted on 10/22/2011 8:38:45 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Evil Slayer

The more Cain talks the less I like him.


88 posted on 10/22/2011 8:46:28 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: going hot
geez I don't believe I gotta explain this to TWO people..

Look.

If your employer hires you at 100K per year, what does it COST him?

107,500.

What difference does it make if he gives you 100K and gives 7K to the government, or pays you ALL the 107K and you sending it ALL to the government yourself? Or it would be like giving you a salary of 93K and him sending in 15K to the govt...

The bottom line is that when you get a job, what is the COST to the employer- it is ALL the expenses of hiring you including health insurances, etc.

89 posted on 10/22/2011 7:09:34 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Mr. K
What difference does it make if he gives you 100K and gives 7K to the government, or pays you ALL the 107K and you sending it ALL to the government yourself? Or it would be like giving you a salary of 93K and him sending in 15K to the govt...

The difference is that if the employee was made to pay the whole amount, the employee would be more conscious of the total amount he is being robbed of, rather than think of the feds as benevolent in making the employer match the employee's "contribution."

The whole scam with the feds is about raising more cash. Only they wish to "hit" the employer, not the employee, because there are less of them that vote.

It still comes out of the sweat of the population at large.

Same with the minimum wage. The feds are not looking out for the poor employee who is "living on crumbs." They want to increase the wages, because then they get more "contribution" from the employee and employer, as well as more votes.

The slower ones think they are getting taken care of by the feds, but the net to their pocket is but a fraction, while their withheld and employer matching increase at a steeper rate.

Regards whose money it is, what the employer pays (in the private sector) is what he can get the job done for. He then adjusts the wage as needed to keep those who are productive, and not give raises to those who are not, if not let go.

The employer's contribution is part of the cost of doing business, because the govt forces the employer to match the funds. If the government were to lift those requirements, some employees may get that amount added to their take home, some may not.

It is the employer's decision, not the employee, because it is the employer's money. Even though the employee was the one who may gave generated the money, he never gets back what he puts in, as an employee. The employee will usually generate two to three times the actual paycheck. The private sector employer makes a deal with the private sector employee. This much money for this much work.

He then must reach into his pocket (the employer) to match what the feds demand he withholds from the employee.

90 posted on 10/23/2011 3:00:33 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: going hot

ummm dude- you are arguing MY point.


91 posted on 10/23/2011 5:33:09 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Evil Slayer
So, let me get this straight. It's been reported that 47% of Americans do not pay federal income tax. I find it hard to believe that those 47% are the "poor".

Instead of re-distributing the wealth, maybe we should be re-distributing the tax burden.

92 posted on 10/23/2011 5:57:19 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: Mr. K

Read about employer taxes. Which they are also able to deduct as an expense.
http://taxes.about.com/od/payroll/qt/payroll_basics.htm


93 posted on 10/24/2011 11:35:02 AM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: jessduntno
There needs to be a Goodfellas flat tax that everybody pays so everybody has an interest in keeping it down; “F*** you, pay me.”

Rather than going to the supply side for the solution how about attacking the demand side. Just pass a federal law that makes it a federal crime for anyone who is currently receiving, or has received, federal money in the past 4 years, to vote. and make vote fraud (at any level) a federal offense punishable by summary execution.

94 posted on 10/24/2011 11:49:09 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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