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The birthers eat their own (...proof birthers are non-partisan but also racist???)
Washington Post ^ | October 21, 2011 | Dana Milbank

Posted on 10/21/2011 7:03:48 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

Say what you will about the birthers, but don’t call them partisan.

The people who brought you the Barack Obama birth-certificate hullabaloo now have a new target: Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, a man often speculated to be the next Republican vice presidential nominee. While they’re at it, they also have Bobby Jindal, the Republican governor of Louisiana and perhaps a future presidential candidate, in their sights.

The good news for the birthers is that this suggests they were going after Obama, whose father was a Kenyan national, not because of the president’s political party. The bad news is that this supports the suspicion that they were going after Obama because of his race.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birther; bobbyjindal; jindal; marcorubio; naturalborncitizen; obama; rubio
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Milbank failed to notice that constitutionalists have objected to the candidacy of Panama-born McCain, Mexico-born George Romney and the presidency of Chester Arthur whose father did not naturalize until after Arthur was born...just like Rubio's dad!

I'll have to check out the comments in WaPo to see how long it takes for this to be pointed out...

1 posted on 10/21/2011 7:03:56 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT; Red Steel; rxsid; Danae

ping...


2 posted on 10/21/2011 7:05:24 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

What else can you expect from Dana Milbank?


3 posted on 10/21/2011 7:08:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Seizethecarp

The red herrings are falling from the sky already.....
Anything to keep the attention off of the fraud and crime that is the Democrat party now.

Hey, I have a solar company that needs a bail out.....


4 posted on 10/21/2011 7:09:30 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Interesting that Dana is now pointing to the "birthers" in this matter rather than the Cuban Communist field operative who came out of hiding just to attack Rubio.

No, Washington Post, this won't get you off the hook. You are a NEST of Communists and perverts.

5 posted on 10/21/2011 7:15:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m sorry to hear that Rubio might not be eligible. Unlike Obama, he is an American, and proud of his country.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 7:15:31 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Seizethecarp
Birtherism is the fantasy football of politics.

The players are the same as the real game, but the birthers can create their own party “draft” with their own qualification rules, and their own imagined election results. I'montosomethinghere...

7 posted on 10/21/2011 7:17:37 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Seizethecarp

I wish we could have disqualified John McCain before he sunk the ship.


8 posted on 10/21/2011 7:22:49 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Fight for Liberty)
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To: pallis
Rubio meets all qualifications to serve as president of the US.

His parents birthplace are not an issue.

9 posted on 10/21/2011 7:23:12 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Seizethecarp

Hasn’t he read Joseph Farah who said that Rubio isn’t qualified?


10 posted on 10/21/2011 7:23:19 PM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Seizethecarp

Milbank is a jerk. Just because Obama is an illegal alien usurper doesn’t mean that conservatives should abandon the Constitution too.

If the Democrats cheat, lie, and steal, would it really help the country if Republicans did the same thing, just because the Democrats did it?

Rubio doesn’t qualify, and neither does Jindal.

But there is one big difference. Neither Rubio nor Jindal has lied to the people in order to become President. Obama did, with the help of Nancy Pelosi, the DNC, and a complicit press who failed to vet him.

Well, actually I suspect they know just as well as we do that the latest COLB is a forgery, just like the earlier one, and that Obama has covered up all sorts of things, with their eager help.


11 posted on 10/21/2011 7:24:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Seizethecarp

You might want to rethink your bigotry towards Rubio:

Historical Note:
The Cuban Refugee Program was authorized by the President of the United States in February 1961. Federal assistance for Cuban refugees had begun in 1960 under President Eisenhower in response to the growing number of Cubans fleeing the Castro regime. President John F. Kennedy, recognizing that the situation was beyond the scope of individual states and volunteer agencies, assigned responsibility to the Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW), at the time Abraham Ribicoff, who delegated implementation and administration to William L. Mitchell, Commissioner of Social Security. The “Migration and Refugee Assistance Act,” enacted in 1962, provided the legislative basis for the program and authorized appropriations. The Florida State Department of Public Welfare, representing the federal government, set up an office in Miami for the assistance, child welfare services and medical care of Cuban refugees.

The Miami Cuban Refugee Emergency Center, located at the Freedom Tower, 600 Biscayne Boulevard, became the focal point of refugee registration, assistance, relief and resettlement, as well as coordination of government and independent agencies’ programs. Federal funding provided for the center’s operations, record keeping, publications, coordination of agencies and research on different aspects of the refugee situation, as well as for programs. The latter included financial assistance, educational loans, health care, adult education and re-training, resettlement and care of unaccompanied children. By 1962 between 1500 and 2000 Cubans were arriving weekly.

In 1963 the newly formed Welfare Administration succeeded Social Security in overseeing the Cuban Refugee Program. The decrease in influx of refugees following the cessation of regular flights and the implementation of programs such as home visits facilitated the transition from crisis response to a more efficient, better organized program.

In the years to come, however, the program would have to adapt to new emergency situations such as the arrival of Bay of Pigs Brigade 2506 prisoners in 1963 and the Camarioca boatlift of 1965. Perhaps the most taxing year was 1980 when the Mariel boatlift brought more than 125,000 Cubans to the United States. Simultaneously, Haitian refugees had started to arrive in growing numbers. The federal government declared a state of emergency and charged the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) with processing and assisting the entrants. On July of the same year the Cuban-Haitian Task Force (CHTF) was created to coordinate federal resources in support of county and state efforts, and to address community problems related to the influx of refugees into the Miami area, replacing FEMA in this capacity.

The Center closed its last location on Ponce de Leon Boulevard and 8th Street on July 1994, after more than three decades of providing assistance to thousands of refugees. Its archives were donated to Professor Juan Clark of Miami-Dade College who in turn donated them to the Cuban Heritage Collection.

Sources:
Sources:

The Cuban Refugee Center: Freedom Tower, Miami, Florida: How it operates 1963, 1964. CHC0218, Series I, Box 1, Folder 10

Holborn, Louise. The Cuban Refugee Program, its development and implementation, 1965. CHC0218, Series IV, Box 40, Folder 121

“History and mission of the Cuban-Haitian Task Force,” [1981?] CHC0218, Series II, Box 26, Folder 174

“Outline of federal assistance targeted at Miami/Dade County,” n.d., CHC0218, Series II, Box 19, Folder 10

Núñez Portuondo, Ricardo. Cuban refugee program. Coral Gables, FL: s. n., c1994


Records or Manuscript Collections Created by United States. Cuban Refugee Program.

Cuban Refugee Center Records, 1960-1978

SEEMS PRESIDENTS HELPED THEM AFTER THEY ESCAPED THE COMMIE DICTATOR.


12 posted on 10/21/2011 7:25:39 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Seizethecarp
How do the Post commies explain the support of us "racists" for Cain?

He's a real black man who unlike their usurper is eligible to be President.

-------------------------------------------------------------

Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!


13 posted on 10/21/2011 7:26:18 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Rubio meets all qualifications to serve as president of the US.
His parents birthplace are not an issue.

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You are partially correct. His parents birthplace are not an issue. Their citizenship at the time of his birth is. They were NOT American citizens at the time of his birth which makes him a citizen, not a Natural Born Citizen. Rubio is NOT eligible because he is not a Natural Born Citizen.


14 posted on 10/21/2011 7:29:55 PM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Mrs. pelosi, what is the Constitutional sentence for treason??)
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To: Seizethecarp

Well, I have no idea how to add to your post.

Good one.

Damnit. If Rubio isn’t NBC then that’s just the way it is. Sad, because he is one hell of an American, A fine man and an extraordinary Conservative talent.

Jindal isn’t NBC, so nothing to discuss there except, his credentials are the same as Marco’s.

Both would be great choices but for NBC.


15 posted on 10/21/2011 7:31:38 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; pallis

Their citizenship status is the issue.

They were not US citizens at the time of his birth. They were citizens of Cuba making Rubio a dual citizen at birth whose parents were not under the jurisdiction of the US at the time.

Marco is a citizen of the USA but not an NBC.


16 posted on 10/21/2011 7:35:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Seizethecarp

The unprincipled Milbanks in the media like to pretend that people of principle just use it as a ruse.

Just as they use any handy argument as a ruse to disguise their real agenda.


17 posted on 10/21/2011 7:39:35 PM PDT by Iron Munro ('We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them.' -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Crazy ole coot

I did not know 0Bama’s parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. I thought his mother was underage?

As soon as Barry produced his BC from Hawaii, birther issue just disappeared!


18 posted on 10/21/2011 7:41:11 PM PDT by federal__reserve (Perry is a good man but his one on one debates with Obama keep me awake at nights.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

His parents birthplace are not an issue.

Are you sure? I hear that in order to be naturalized, you have to have your parents either born in America or citizens before birth of children. Not sure if either one of those was true on the day of his birth.


19 posted on 10/21/2011 7:45:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

If Obama can serve as president - so can Bobby Jindal.

I have always wished he would announce. What on earth could the anti-birthers say?


20 posted on 10/21/2011 7:45:35 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Seizethecarp

“The bad news is that this supports the suspicion that they were going after Obama because of his race.”

He’s ineligible....period.

He was and continues to be attacked because of his Marxist policies ....or, should I say Soro’s policies? (AND...he’s INELIGIBLE)


21 posted on 10/21/2011 7:45:40 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Crazy ole coot

Boy you guys are something else.

NOT according to the 14th Amendment:

June 13, 1866

States ratify 14th Amendment, granting former slaves citizenship and promising “equal protection of the laws”

National Archives and Records Administration
Passed by Congress June 13, 1866. Ratified July 9, 1868.

Note: Article I, section 2, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws


22 posted on 10/21/2011 7:55:26 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Seizethecarp

Milbank is steeped in hatred and racism. The “birther” associations he draws are far weaker than the credible associations tying Bayrock to organized crime.
When Milbank and his ilk are shrieking about birthers, they are clearly hoping to take up band width that could go to looking at the crimes of the w0n.


23 posted on 10/21/2011 7:55:40 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Obama, whose father was a Kenyan national,

Constitution...we don't need no stinkin' Constitution.

24 posted on 10/21/2011 7:57:13 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: federal__reserve

I believe his mom was a citizen and his dad (if his dad was the Kenyen on his BC) was not. Barry is not a NBC and there will forever be an asterik next to his name.


25 posted on 10/21/2011 7:58:40 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Birthers are old news.

Fast and Furious is the new news.


26 posted on 10/21/2011 7:58:49 PM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: marty60

Ahnold Schwarzenneger is a citizen. Is he constitutionally eligbile to be POTUS?

We know what you are...


27 posted on 10/21/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Seizethecarp

” proving false the central narrative of Rubio’s political rise: that he is the son of exiles who fled Cuba under Castro.
In fact, his parents left the island, apparently for economic reasons, 2 1 / 2 years before Castro came to power. “

Apparently the Rubios should have ignored the warning signs of impending doom and waited until it was too late.


28 posted on 10/21/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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29 posted on 10/21/2011 8:09:09 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: federal__reserve

SAD was underage by two or three months IF Obama was not born in Hawaii. That is how the title code read for that time. But if born in Hawaii, then it does not apply and he was legit. True that BHO sr. was not a citizen.


30 posted on 10/21/2011 8:10:05 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Seizethecarp

Seems to me that it supports just the opposite. No media type seems capable of grasping that it is a Constitutional question and that’s not situational. So whether it is a Marxist Organizer or a Tea Party favorite, “natural born” has a specific meaning and applies regardless or race, color, creed, or political party.


31 posted on 10/21/2011 8:11:51 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: marty60

The 14th Amendment has to do with citizenship, period. If you’re born here and your parents are legal resident aliens, then you’re considered a citizen by birth, or native born.

The Federal government recognizes three types of statutory citizenship:
-native born (jus solis)
-derived citizenship from parents (jus sanquinis)
-naturalization

See: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

The 14th Amendment has nothing to do with eligibility requirements to be President per Article 2, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S.Constitution. Natural born citizenship is NOT a type of citzenship. It is an eligibility requirement to be President.


32 posted on 10/21/2011 8:16:09 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: ASA Vet

Love this! Thanks!


33 posted on 10/21/2011 8:22:51 PM PDT by classified
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To: Seizethecarp

I totally despise Dana Milbank. I saw him on MSNBC with his crewcut and little nerd glasses, and changed the channel in disgust (as I usually do with MSNBC). These smug little commie creeps bashed the birthers for years, and now Dana’s on their side?


34 posted on 10/21/2011 8:25:49 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Vendome

My son was born in the UK of parents who were both USA citizens. He is a dual national with two passports. He can hold any office in the United States with the exception of President or Vice President.

The Constitution means what it says.


35 posted on 10/21/2011 8:25:59 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: marty60
Once again you seem to be throwing out the words "natural born" when you consider the Constitutional qualification to be President. Note well that those words do NOT appear in the 14th amendment nor does the subject of Presidential qualification. Rubio's CITIZENSHIP is NOT the issue. His ability to meet the NATURAL BORN CITIZEN qualification IS the issue. You yourself peg the 14th's ratification date at 1868. Almost a decade LATER the Supreme Court actually touched on the subject in the case 88 U.S. 162 - Minor v. Happersett and spoke to what the framers meant by Natural Born while at the same time recognizing the 14th Amendment elsewhere in the case.
At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.
Yes, the Justices noted that there is a second school of thought and also with their own words say that they were not settling the question. Sadly, SCOTUS ducked the issue and left the doubts in place. So Obama's qualification and therefore Jindal's are much as settled law as anthropogenic global warming is settled science.
36 posted on 10/21/2011 8:30:33 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

ohhhh I’m so scared. You Aryan Brotherhood types are incapable of even getting it up.


37 posted on 10/21/2011 8:33:07 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60
“You might want to rethink your bigotry towards Rubio...”

You might want to retract your unfounded smear! You are as bad as Milbank.

The whole point of my response to Milbank’s charge of racism is that holding a research-based opinion on what the constitution means is not racist, it is simply logical, especially if applied evenhandedly to all races.

BTW, I love the Miami Cubans...especially the women who rank among the most beautiful I have encountered as a group. I used to supervise a whole department full of them and they were good workers. I got hooked on their AM pick-me-up Cuban coffee. You would drink it from a tiny cup saturated with sugar and packing more caffeine that a Red Bull!

38 posted on 10/21/2011 8:40:02 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: marty60

Where in the 14th Amendment does it reference “Natural Born Citizen”? The 14th Amendment “only made citizens” out of former slaves. Were obama or Rubio former slaves?? They sure carry their age quite well.


39 posted on 10/21/2011 8:40:22 PM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Mrs. pelosi, what is the Constitutional sentence for treason??)
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To: NonValueAdded

Do you hear yourselves?
By your reasoning the Blacks that served in Congress in the 1800’s were there ilegally. They were born in the United States but due to the fact that their ancestors were not “natural born” they were not qualified.
By that definition no black descendent from slaves should ever hold office.

Or is there some magic line that is crossed where you finally qualify to be natural born. Since my ancestors were British Knights on one side and French Hugenots on the other side, I guess I’m not actually “natural Born”.


40 posted on 10/21/2011 8:42:22 PM PDT by marty60
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To: Responsibility2nd
“If Obama can serve as president - so can Bobby Jindal.”

So could Anwar al-Awlaki...before Obama whacked him!

Al-Awlaki was exactly the sort of stealth enemy that John Jay had in mind when he proposed the NBC clause.

41 posted on 10/21/2011 8:44:44 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Crazy ole coot

When did their families cross the magical line to become Natural orn Citizens. Since the arguement is that only a natural born father transfers natural born citizenship. At some point. since Rubios Father came from Cuba, the arguement is he is NOT a Natural Born citizen. So will Rubios Son?, Grandson? Great Grandson?

I still want to know how former slaves served in Congress and the Sen. The would not be Classified as Natural Born.


42 posted on 10/21/2011 8:49:11 PM PDT by marty60
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To: ozzymandus
“These smug little commie creeps bashed the birthers for years, and now Dana’s on their side?”

No. He says “birthers” are now racists.

Somehow an Hispanic of European descent, like Rubio, is of a different race than “birthers” in the same way the Jindal is of a different race. Dana is out of his mind!

43 posted on 10/21/2011 8:52:48 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: federal__reserve

Mr. obama’s mother was a citizen. His father never became a citizen. Mr. obama is Not a Natural Born Citizen.

The issue of Mr. obama’s eligibility did not disappear. Just no one reports on it. Most people don’t even know about the question of his eligibility.

I, for one, have not questioned his BC, just his eligibility. I don’t know where he was born and don’t care. His father makes him ineligible.


44 posted on 10/21/2011 8:54:13 PM PDT by Crazy ole coot (Mr. obama (the squatter in the Whitehouse) what is your real name??)
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To: marty60
Whether Obama is NBC has never been litigated in a trial on the merits including discovery of all evidence.

I am not a lawyer, but find the analysis of independent lawyer, Leo Donofrio, to be compelling. Donofrio sued to block both Obama and McCain from becoming president, so he proved that he is both non-partisan and not a racist. Donofrio took two cases up to the Supreme Court before Obama was sworn in so Milbank would know this if he had bothered to investigate notable “birther” lawsuits on the NBC issue (as opposed to the birth certificate issue).

See Donofrio’s latest analysis here:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/multiple-instances-of-historical-scholarship-conclusively-establish-the-supreme-courts-holding-in-minor-v-happersett-as-standing-precedent-on-citizenship-obama-not-eligible/

45 posted on 10/21/2011 9:02:34 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

it seems even here at FR there are people that cannot comprehend the basic language found in our founding document... or the reason the specific language was used.

if you accept the birth certificate as real... which is the only ‘official’ document showing his father’s citizenship at the time of his birth... all it proves is that 0bama is native born.

in order to be natural born, BOTH parents have to be US citizens at the time of birth. the founders put this language in the Constitution specifically to insure future presidents would not have loyalties to any other country due to parental allegiances. if not for this reason, the founders could have just used the word ‘citizen’.

if this is too much to comprehend, might i suggest going over to DU... they use smaller words and don’t bother with laws when it doesn’t suit their needs.


46 posted on 10/21/2011 9:07:54 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: pallis
The constitutional requirements are the same for Black Obama, Hispanic, Rubio, and White McCain. In other-words .... race has NOTHING to do with it.

The Constitution sets the requirements for president. We insist that the rules be followed by Republicans as well as Democrats, or anyone else.

47 posted on 10/21/2011 9:21:43 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: marty60
The 14th amendment has NOTHING to do with NBC. It doesn't mention NBC. You need to do some checking right here on FR. It has been discussed to DEATH.
48 posted on 10/21/2011 9:26:17 PM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: marty60

Are you saying that anyone anywhere in the world who receives USA refugee assisstance becomes eligible for POTUSA or just those from Cuba?


49 posted on 10/21/2011 9:28:39 PM PDT by noinfringers3
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To: marty60
Do you hear yourselves?
By your reasoning the Blacks that served in Congress in the 1800’s were there ilegally. They were born in the United States but due to the fact that their ancestors were not “natural born” they were not qualified. By that definition no black descendent from slaves should ever hold office.

Or is there some magic line that is crossed where you finally qualify to be natural born. Since my ancestors were British Knights on one side and French Hugenots on the other side, I guess I’m not actually “natural Born”.

The Natural Born Citizen requirement for presidential eligibility is unique in the Constitution. Citizens who are not NBC are eligible to serve as Senators and Congressmen.

Without more information about your citizenship and your parents' citizenship, it would be difficult to determine whether you are a Natural Born Citizen.

However, your willful ignorance should definitely render you unsuitable for any grown-up position.

50 posted on 10/21/2011 9:36:32 PM PDT by meadsjn
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