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In Memoir, Rice Tells of Clashes With Cheney
NYTimes ^ | 10-22-11 | Peter Baker

Posted on 10/22/2011 4:56:08 PM PDT by STARWISE

*snip*

First as national security adviser and later as secretary of state, Ms. Rice often argued against the hard-line approach that Mr. Cheney and others advanced. The vice president’s staff was “very much of one ultra-hawkish mind,” she writes, adding that the most intense confrontation between her and Mr. Cheney came when she argued that terrorism suspects could not be “disappeared” as in some authoritarian states.

In November 2001, she writes, she went to President George W. Bush upon learning that he had issued an order prepared by the White House counsel, Alberto R. Gonzales, authorizing military commissions without telling her. “If this happens again,” she told the president, “either Al Gonzales or I will have to resign.”

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Love ya, Condi, but I'll take Cheney's guidance for protecting this nation every time over yours. Cheney rules! God bless and protect him.


1 posted on 10/22/2011 4:56:13 PM PDT by STARWISE
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To: ohioWfan; DrDeb; Kaslin; snugs; silent_jonny; dmd25; pattyvita; baseballmom; DollyCali; NordP; ...

.. Ping!


2 posted on 10/22/2011 4:58:02 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

NICE PIC!!! And, I agree!


3 posted on 10/22/2011 4:58:12 PM PDT by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: STARWISE

I agree too. And isn’t it MUCH too soon for “tell all” books? I am amazed at the stuff some of these people blurt in print.


4 posted on 10/22/2011 5:01:17 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: jackibutterfly
ditto...Cheney knew what he was doing....It's war and it's called "interrogation".

Personally, never liked Condi...but it's more personality...

5 posted on 10/22/2011 5:04:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, every former top admin official seems to get a publishing contract, but this seems so petty, and I suspect her nose is out of joint since Cheney already wrote about his disagreement with her ideas and so her way of getting a dig back at him. Sad ......


6 posted on 10/22/2011 5:05:03 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Dittos on Cheney!


7 posted on 10/22/2011 5:09:56 PM PDT by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: penelopesire

I seriously doubt they’d just disappear. Certainly Cheney, or someone, would keep a record of the longitude and latitude where they were last seen.


8 posted on 10/22/2011 5:20:20 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: STARWISE

Never liked Condi: Wrong on abortion, wrong on Israel, wrong on Cheney. Ergo, RINO.


9 posted on 10/22/2011 5:22:05 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: STARWISE

Absolutely! I love Cheney!


10 posted on 10/22/2011 5:23:06 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: STARWISE

Chuck Norris wears Dick Cheney pajamas! :)


11 posted on 10/22/2011 5:26:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: STARWISE

12 posted on 10/22/2011 5:28:15 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: STARWISE

I love Dick Cheney, that dude’s got a set.


13 posted on 10/22/2011 5:29:44 PM PDT by jenk (The country needs Sarah Palin and the Constitution.)
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14 posted on 10/22/2011 5:36:03 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
...and a Middle East peace initiative that came achingly close to bringing Israelis and Palestinians together.

Ms. Rice offers several regrets. The way Mr. Bush rejected the Kyoto climate change treaty without promising to seek alternatives was a “self-inflicted wound,”

The first sentence can only have been written by a total fool. I don't know of anyone who has been on the planet more than 15 years who thinks the Arabs and Isrealis can agree to any lasting peace. It isn't gone to happen, no matter how many peace camps, Kumbaaya songs, whirled peas the liberals sing or dance or what any fat a@@ clintons does about it.

About so called global warming: Why is it that foolish people without any scientific learning always swallow the latest fad designed to give even more power to central government. GoreBull warming is a scam perpetrated by con men.

And this so called Republican swallows that bs? And Mr. Bush allowed her to pursue this policy?

16 posted on 10/22/2011 5:40:50 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: OldCorps

Well, it is the Slimes so ... I snipped the essential
news.


17 posted on 10/22/2011 5:48:53 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Cheney rules.


18 posted on 10/22/2011 5:52:08 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: STARWISE

face it Condi: you were a quota hire.


19 posted on 10/22/2011 5:54:29 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: STARWISE

Yup, she spoke Russian, played the piano and was said to be an expert on USSR. But, she certainly was way over her head on the ME issues, particularly re Iran & the Mullahs’ regime. Don’t forget she was also a registered democrat until 1982. I guess she never really gave up most of her dim political views.


20 posted on 10/22/2011 5:59:00 PM PDT by odds
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To: jenk
I love Dick Cheney, that dude’s got a set.

which is why an insecure overachieving woman can't stand him.

Exactly why is she writing "memoirs," anyway?

21 posted on 10/22/2011 5:59:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: STARWISE
The more I read about Cheney, the more I wish he'd been president instead of Bush. But at least Bush had the wisdom to choose Cheney as his VP.


22 posted on 10/22/2011 6:00:31 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Cinnamontea

I, on the other hand, thank God and am so very grateful for Pres. George W. Bush, his unqualified love for and loyalty to America, his relentless resolve for our safety, his deep honor for the Office, his abiding love and support for our great troops, among many other things. And, yes, course, he’s a very smart man and a patriot, and he chose a great man to be at his side.

God bless and protect Pres. Bush and VP Cheney always.


23 posted on 10/22/2011 6:08:19 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE

Cheney was the Colonel Walter Kurtz of the Bush admin. You can argue if he was right or even moral, but you can never doubt the efficacy of his means.

But the comments on this thread that Condi was a quota hire are reprehensible and borderline racist. She has every big a set as Cheney.


24 posted on 10/22/2011 6:12:06 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: STARWISE

Cheney was the Colonel Walter Kurtz of the Bush admin. You can argue if he was right or even moral, but you can never doubt the efficacy of his means.

But the comments on this thread that Condi was a quota hire are reprehensible and borderline racist. She has at least as big a set as Cheney.


25 posted on 10/22/2011 6:13:12 PM PDT by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: STARWISE
Clashes should be expected at the highest levels in a time of deep change and I, for one, am glad Bush allowed his advisors to feel free to speak their minds and have those discussions. I am glad that now Condi is letting us know what these discussions involved.

President Bush led and always made the final decision unlike our current "lead-from-behind" coward.

26 posted on 10/22/2011 6:20:51 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: STARWISE
I have always thought that Condi was very good

at doing nothing.

27 posted on 10/22/2011 6:22:02 PM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: STARWISE

She publicly admitted after 9-11 that she and those who worked for her were insufficiently alert to the threats the nation faced.

She should have been forced to resign right then in disgrace.


28 posted on 10/22/2011 6:28:23 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: the invisib1e hand
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but I did become disenchanted with her [during the Bush years] for some reason, and that one reason became many.

Many of Bush's picks were less than spectacular, and that's being kind.

29 posted on 10/22/2011 6:32:22 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: the invisib1e hand

Isn’t it obvious? To team up with Colin Powell! Plus, if you attack Cheney, you may be able to someday become the NBA Commish!


30 posted on 10/22/2011 6:33:02 PM PDT by jenk (The country needs Sarah Palin and the Constitution.)
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To: Calvin Locke

Right. So Condi’s personality is Bush’s fault!


31 posted on 10/22/2011 6:35:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: newheart

And if Dick is tough (and he is) wife Lynn is much tougher!


32 posted on 10/22/2011 6:40:04 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: 9422WMR
Her whole academic expertise was security issues with the USSR. Joining the Bushies in 2000, 20 years after the USSR began to collapse, and trying to get up to speed on the muzzies and such was a little out of sync, to say the least.
33 posted on 10/22/2011 6:41:24 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: 9422WMR
Her whole academic expertise was security issues with the USSR. Joining the Bushies in 2001, 20 years after the USSR began to collapse, and trying to get up to speed on the muzzies and such was a little out of sync, to say the least.
34 posted on 10/22/2011 6:41:56 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: STARWISE

One of GW’s most unfortunate faults is/was a misplaced sense of loyalty. At the first sign of trouble or friction between rice and either Bush’s staff or Cheney’s staff they should have cashiered her.


35 posted on 10/22/2011 6:42:16 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOL ... luv ya, Big Time!


36 posted on 10/22/2011 6:45:32 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: STARWISE
I have to give her this much credit: she's probably never been given the Margaret Sanger Award for Achievement by Planned Parenthood. Not yet, at least.


37 posted on 10/22/2011 6:47:50 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: STARWISE

This is not what my impression of her was at the time.

I am no longer a fan of Condaleeza Rice.

Sounds like she’s not better than Susan Rice.

I vote for Dick Cheney.

In fact. Dick Cheney for President.


38 posted on 10/22/2011 7:11:46 PM PDT by barstoolblues (Neither teabagger nor tyrant)
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To: STARWISE

‘..I’ll take Cheney’s guidance for protecting this nation every time over yours. Cheney rules! God bless and protect him....’

Ditto! Thanks for the nice picture of our wonderful VP.


39 posted on 10/22/2011 7:13:30 PM PDT by 4integrity
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To: hinckley buzzard

Yea,
I was never more ashamed of our secretary of state then when they had her perform her piano recital.
Are you kidding me?
Secretary of State is a show performer?
That would be like having Thomas Jefferson, the first secretary of state go on stage and juggle some oranges.
How far we have fallen.....


40 posted on 10/22/2011 7:23:05 PM PDT by 9422WMR
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To: STARWISE

‘I, on the other hand, thank God and am so very grateful for Pres. George W. Bush, his unqualified love for and loyalty to America, his relentless resolve for our safety, his deep honor for the Office, his abiding love and support for our great troops, among many other things....
God bless and protect Pres. Bush and VP Cheney always.’

Starwise, soooo well said!! I share these sentiments; we were blessed to have W as President!


41 posted on 10/22/2011 7:24:33 PM PDT by 4integrity
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To: STARWISE

Just got his book and can’t put it down. Says it like it was. It was laying on the kitchen table last night and my oh so liberal neighbor was very uncomfortable. Felt so good!!


42 posted on 10/22/2011 7:41:02 PM PDT by peridot (don't need)
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To: STARWISE
Knowing the political slant of the HYTimes, I am reserved about criticizing Ms. Rice based on a "book review."

I may be bucking the knee-jerk trend here, but I respect her too much to toss her under the bus just for this article.
43 posted on 10/22/2011 7:44:14 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: peridot

LOVE it!


44 posted on 10/22/2011 8:42:36 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: the invisib1e hand

geez would you people MELLOW the F#$% out???????????

Not everyone agrees with everyone else 100% of the time

Condi is one of the good ones


45 posted on 10/22/2011 8:47:04 PM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I think it was more that she was over her head for some reason,
given her alleged credentials as an abuse magnet in academic
administration, implying that she was trying to do the right things.

Bush's fault? Perhaps, but only for not dumping her when she was
found wanting.

(In the BHO administration, she'd be a genius, warts and all.)

As far as personality goes, "character is what you are in the dark".

And I'm not impressed with what is coming out of the shadows.

46 posted on 10/22/2011 8:50:27 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: STARWISE

Ditto about GWB, Starwise. Loved seeing him and Laura next to Nolan Ryan at the Rangers game tonight. Class act couple all the way around. Miss me yet? You betcha.


47 posted on 10/22/2011 9:38:31 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Capitalism is the right of the individual to pursue happiness and keep the fruits of their labor.)
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To: newheart; All
But the comments on this thread that Condi was a quota hire are reprehensible and borderline racist.

They aren't borderline racist. They are flat out racist.

Such racist trolling is common to any thread involving Condi in recent years. It's repulsive, denigrating and against posting policy.

Regarding the book, it's clear from this press report (and those of other memoirs) that W had very strong perspectives to draw opinions from, not wallflowers or yes men.

That's critical in a successful administration and in many ways it was. Their views were heard but, as Bush famously said, "I'm the decider."

I appreciate the service Condi, Cheney, W and others gave to this nation in a very difficult and challenging time.

48 posted on 10/22/2011 10:29:53 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelected Obama.)
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To: newzjunkey

I agree with you. Some of these comments are outrageous.

It is the human condition that females are much less likely to choose violence than the male of the species (Kipling notwithstanding)

This has been the way of the world since creation and there are very few Maggie Thatchers as an exception.

So IF someone is looking for a reason other than just a policy difference, I would finger sex.


49 posted on 10/22/2011 10:45:42 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: newzjunkey; STARWISE

Absolutely! Some of the comments here on Condi Rice are totally uncalled for. Regardless of her moderate leanings or how she thinks ideologically, she did serve her country with great honor. I’d rather have her, President Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others back at the helm at the White House right now - adults who knew how to run a country. O’s administration is a complete joke and a laughingstock!


50 posted on 10/22/2011 11:59:19 PM PDT by pattyvita
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