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In Europe, new fears of German might
The Washington Post ^ | October 22, 2011 | Michael Birnbaum

Posted on 10/23/2011 10:51:37 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Edited on 10/23/2011 1:40:17 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

European leaders are at a crossroads: They must pull closer together or risk the euro currency project falling apart.

BERLIN — For decades, Germany’s role in Europe has been to supply the cash, not the leadership. With fresh memories of war, the continent was cautious about German domination — and so were the Germans themselves.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Germany
KEYWORDS: awwwww; europe; europeanunion; germany; noeuempire; poorlimeys; poorromans

Europe, beware of the Germans

1 posted on 10/23/2011 10:51:42 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Germans have been the bulwark of the European economy since before the first world war, as the sun was setting on the British Empire. They are consistently the most intelligent, creative, hardest working SOB’s on that continent. If the rest of the world and Europe in particular hadn’t played the guilt trip on the Germans for as long as they have over the past 70 years, they’d be, de facto, running the European economy. The problem is they’re supporting all the weak sisters, some of which are on respirators and need to take a dirt nap and allow markets to correct themselves. Yes, it will be ugly, and yes there will be ramifications, but that’s what happens when systems correct themselves. Don’t anyone out there kid themselves, we’re next in the process. There will be a new world economic order, the sooner it’s corrected the stronger we and Europe will be, back to a fighting weight, so as to compete more readily.


2 posted on 10/23/2011 11:08:35 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Baloney. The US is better off with a strong resurgent Germany. It will be a counter weight to Russia. The Euro is dying anyway so we might as well accept the fact that the German economy will dominate the post Euro world. What we need to do IMHO is strengthen our military ties with Poland and the Baltic States so that Germany and Russia do not get to snugly. Besides, the southern Europeans are headed for a severe depression and instability. We don’t need them to drag down Germany.


3 posted on 10/23/2011 11:14:27 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No denying though, those lads had snappy uniforms.


4 posted on 10/23/2011 11:15:48 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: MinorityRepublican
euro currency project all projects come to an end...

no country was more devastated by the war than Germany, yet, they still had to bail out all the socialist countries since then

guess it's time that comes to an end also

5 posted on 10/23/2011 11:17:09 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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The Wolves Are Here America! What Will You Do?

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6 posted on 10/23/2011 11:21:55 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: mick

What we need to do IMHO is strengthen our military ties with Poland and the Baltic States so that Germany and Russia do not get to snugly
They've been there since 2009. You're a bit too late on that score. Doing some research into the intent of the European Union ought to confirm a few more things for you as well.
7 posted on 10/23/2011 11:22:17 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bullshit. The Germans have been the power of Europe since the Roman Empire, despite the combined efforts of the rest of Europe to keep them down. German militarism was the product of this, with disasterous results for everybody. If the Germans are expected to pay for everybody else’s mistakes, as well as their own, they should have the deciding vote in what Europe does.


8 posted on 10/23/2011 11:26:34 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: MinorityRepublican

In Athens, protesters dressed up as Nazis routinely prowl the streets, an allusion to the old model of an assertive Germany.


So....the Greeks basically want the Germans to give them $$ and expect zilch in return?


9 posted on 10/23/2011 11:29:00 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: MinorityRepublican

Unlike other countries that had global ambitions since the 1920s, Germany has not denied what it has caused and the destruction it brought upon itself. Japanese school children are not taught about WWII, and the Italians are trying hard to wipe it from their history. The Turks are ignoring it and the Russians are rewriting their history during the Stalin purges. Germans don’t want to go through this again. The average German is hard working and very industrious. However, they also don’t want to just hand over their money without having some say in where it goes, how it gets spent, and how it gets repaid. I don’t blame them at all. (Disclaimer; I was stationed in Southern Germany (Bavaria) for 3 years and got to know the locals pretty good.)


10 posted on 10/23/2011 11:38:38 AM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: ozzymandus

“The Germans have been the power of Europe since the Roman Empire...”

Hee hee, you’re silly. What’s a “Rome”? Everyone knows history began on Sept. 1, 1939. /s


11 posted on 10/23/2011 11:41:06 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: ozzymandus

“The Germans have been the power of Europe since the Roman Empire...”

Hee hee, you’re silly. What’s a “Rome”? Everyone knows history began on Sept. 1, 1939. /s


12 posted on 10/23/2011 11:41:25 AM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: john drake; mick

BTTT for both of your posts.

The “one-world” (i.e. Communists who won WWII) have done the same with all the hard-working, intelligent ones — including those in the Baltics.


13 posted on 10/23/2011 11:43:30 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: MinorityRepublican
In Europe, new fears of German might

The whole of Western Europe embraces national socialism as an economic model against the will of "thinking European conservatives" and then turns around to complain about the Germans?!?!?

14 posted on 10/23/2011 12:12:01 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

One of my favorite quotes: “NATO was created to keep the Germans down, the Americans in and the Russians out.”


15 posted on 10/23/2011 12:17:06 PM PDT by Sawdring
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To: rbg81

The deep irony is that Greece is much like the socialist Nazi Germany of the 30s expecting a Germany that is more like the U. S. of the Marshall Plan era to save them while simultaneously slurring their benefactors.


16 posted on 10/23/2011 12:27:31 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Rick Perry engages in corporate welfare via Texas TEF/ETF)
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To: MinorityRepublican
A great movie to watch is Triumph of the Will.

"Transportation Corps" (wearing tankers helmets), "Glider Pilots" (future Luftwaffe) and others strutting down the streets of Nuremberg. I've watched it a couple of times because of the masterful film techniques, but always wondered how many of those guys survived the war.

If you watch, notice how the Navy and some Army officers still used the traditional salute instead of the one the Nazis used.

17 posted on 10/23/2011 12:45:20 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Olog-hai
"They've been there since 2009. You're a bit too late on that score. Doing some research into the intent of the European Union ought to confirm a few more things for you as well."

I wondered when the German basher would arrive. Somewhat late but he'll make up with it with BS.

18 posted on 10/23/2011 12:48:42 PM PDT by FW190
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To: FW190

I wondered when the German basher would arrive. Somewhat late but he'll make up with it with BS
Yeah, where is he?
19 posted on 10/23/2011 1:31:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: MinorityRepublican
I wonder what the Germans (and French) were thinking when they expanded the EU to begin with.

Wasn't something of this sort to be expected if Greeks and others wanted all the perks of a French or German lifestyle while producing far less than the historic core of the EU does?

20 posted on 10/23/2011 1:45:54 PM PDT by x
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To: Olog-hai
Should I have said "she"?

If so, even more delicious, LOL.

21 posted on 10/23/2011 1:49:20 PM PDT by FW190
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To: MinorityRepublican
I grow a little impatient with the persistent trope "Europe was so traumatized by the war that..." because it always seems to be used to excuse its constituent nations from doing something that is difficult but in their self interests, such as paying more for defense and less for social services. Let's be honest here - "the war" ended sixty-six years ago and most people making the argument weren't born yet. And European history is peppered with wars of astonishing destructiveness whose effects were far longer-term than the latest war, and with precious little effect on long-term peace except to raise international conferencing to the high, useless art that it has become.

This one isn't difficult: if you don't want the people giving you money to attach strings to it, don't take it. If you don't want to be in a collective of nations dominated by the largest, strongest, wealthiest member, then don't join it. If you do both of those things anyway, then don't complain.

23 posted on 10/23/2011 2:15:56 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: MinorityRepublican
As countries struggle to pay their debts, only Chancellor Angela Merkel has enough money to haul them out of trouble.

Ummmmm,

Don't think so.

24 posted on 10/23/2011 2:20:52 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The euro needs to be dumped


25 posted on 10/23/2011 3:08:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: MinorityRepublican

German aggression is soooooo 20th Century.

One benefit (as opposed to the huge negatives) of industrialized world pussification is that Germany and/or most other European nations are not tough enough to wage a large-scale war.


26 posted on 10/23/2011 3:13:23 PM PDT by WPaCon
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Thanks MinorityRepublican.

The Germans are 1 and 1 in 20th c wars with Russia.

They lost both WWs, ultimately, because of US involvement.


27 posted on 10/23/2011 3:32:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"Ooooh, the Germans!"
28 posted on 10/23/2011 3:50:17 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Why are there such big trees along The Avenue des Champs-Élysées ?

So the German Soldiers can march in the shade.

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Why do so many Germans speak French ?

Because they go there so often.


29 posted on 10/23/2011 3:56:28 PM PDT by Einherjar
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To: MinorityRepublican

Don’t mention the war.


30 posted on 10/23/2011 3:57:44 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: MinorityRepublican

Great news for me and 13.5 million other Jews. Man, I’ll sleep like a baby tonight.


31 posted on 10/23/2011 3:59:08 PM PDT by CWSNTEXAS (Am I'm the ONLY Conservative Jew in America? What's wrong with you other schmucks?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Germans become the leader and dominant power in Europe not just because of their ambition, intelligence, hard work and will power
but also because most of the rest of Europe are a comparatively lazy, stupid, leeching freeloaders. If France and the entire southern tier from Portugal to Greece pursued excellence in education and productivity as Germans have historically done, there would be no threat from comparitvely more productive, educated and ambitious Germany.

In other words

The meek seek to protect themselves from the strong by having the strong handicap themselves INSTEAD OF the meek becoming strong.

Same thing in America with the socialist leeches insisting on the strong producers handicapping themselves while providing for the freeloaders.


32 posted on 10/23/2011 4:05:14 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: CWSNTEXAS

What you and the other Jews should fear is Islamic Jihad.

You ignore that only at the risk of another Muslim perpetrated genocide.


33 posted on 10/23/2011 4:08:54 PM PDT by Aroostook25
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To: MinorityRepublican

Greece has defaulted repeatedly on its national debt since the early 1800’s. What’s happening with them now is pretty much a tradition. Not sure what the EU was thinking when they let Greece in.


34 posted on 10/23/2011 4:14:45 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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Everybody knows what the greatest fear is in Europe..and it ain’t the krauts.


35 posted on 10/23/2011 4:16:59 PM PDT by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: john drake

The sun wasn’t “setting on the british empire” anywhere near the 1st world war. It was the losses of WW2 that forced England to give up its empire.


36 posted on 10/23/2011 4:18:18 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: MinorityRepublican

37 posted on 10/23/2011 4:23:35 PM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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To: Chode

Germany is just as socialistic as Greece or France. The difference is that it has more population, more resources, and a tradition of scientific inquiry.


38 posted on 10/23/2011 4:27:42 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

I spoke a bit too soon; it began fading quickly after WWII (India, Africa, etc.), I would certainly agree, although cracks deep in the foundation were starting given it’s concerns over containing the German juggernaut (focusing on local issues tends to take your eyes off of events further away...). However, I suppose the loss of the American Colonies 130 years earlier doesn’t count? That alone was, historically speaking, their greatest loss, given the outcome, wouldn’t you agree?


39 posted on 10/23/2011 4:37:53 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: Eleutheria5
i don't think the size of it's population or the amount of it's resources has anything to do with how ambitious it population is nor how it spends it's tax revenue...

don't forget they had to assimilate East Germany too

40 posted on 10/23/2011 4:46:09 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GeronL
The euro needs to be dumped

I don't know about the rest of the EU but I sure would like to see Ireland dump it.

41 posted on 10/23/2011 6:50:35 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: john drake

If George 3rd hadn’t been such an insufferable arbitrary tyrant, the colonies would quite likely have continued as they were. Not so much part of a pattern of decline as a madman in charge.

But I agree - it was WW2 that changed it from a third of the globe to almost nothing in 10 years. That’s the salient point


42 posted on 10/23/2011 7:46:34 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Chode

There are worse things than a Germany that dominates economically and politically, so long as they stay within their own borders and don’t open any death camps. I figure it’s Europe’s problem. Europeans suck at handling their own problems, but at least this time they won’t turn them into a world war. More likely they’ll be overrun with Moose Limbs.


43 posted on 10/24/2011 1:40:29 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
There's an old Yiddish joke which goes somewhat like that: Two Jews meet on the New York subway in 1935, one is reading the local jewish newspaper, while the other one is reading "Der Stuermer". Befuddled the first guy asks: "Good lord, how can you read that Nazi crap?". The second guy answers: "Well, if I read your newspaper it's all so depressing: progroms in Germany, violence in Palestine. When I pick up der Stuermer I get to read about how all Jews are rich, controlling the banks and media and basically running the whole world."


44 posted on 10/24/2011 2:23:38 AM PDT by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: WPaCon
...Germany and/or most other European nations are not tough enough to wage a large-scale war.

These days you don't need large scale armies to wage large scale war. You really don't even need nukes. The most powerful weapon in the American military arsenal is information! It's what all of our weapon systems are based upon. Whoever knows the most is the most is the one who wins the fight. How is Germany excluded from this paradigm?

45 posted on 10/24/2011 5:29:29 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: Tonytitan
Whoever knows the most is the most is the one who wins the fight.

Hear, hear! The more accurate your weapons are, the less power they need. One reason the US didn't go in for a lot of 20MT blockbuster nukes like the Soviets did, is because our guidance systems were so much better we didn't need such big warheads to get the same effect.

The more accurate your delivery system, the less you need to "deliver". And since the Cold War, delivery systems have improved by several orders of magnitude.

46 posted on 10/24/2011 6:41:42 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Tonytitan

People in the industrial world are less and less willing to die for their country and make others die for their country.

Does this new paradigm make killing and being killed obsolete?

If not, I don’t see how it refutes my point.


47 posted on 10/24/2011 10:56:01 AM PDT by WPaCon
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To: Eleutheria5
affirmative... i am with you
48 posted on 10/24/2011 3:05:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"In Europe, new fears of German might"

Third time's a charm.

49 posted on 10/24/2011 3:15:10 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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