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Steve Jobs Shocker: Bill Gates Should Have Dropped Acid
Reuters via Foxnews ^ | October 24, 2011 | Reuters

Posted on 10/24/2011 10:59:42 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Steve Jobs called long-time rival and Microsoft Corp co-founder Bill Gates as "unimaginative" and not really a product person, according to a biography of the deceased Apple Inc chief executive.

"Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology," Jobs told author Walter Isaacson. "He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

Steve Jobs, the Apple founder and former CEO who invented and masterfully marketed ever-sleeker gadgets that transformed everyday technology, from the personal computer to the iPod and iPhone, has died at age 56. Read more

"He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger," Jobs added.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Technical
KEYWORDS: billgates; potcallsoutkettle; stevejobs
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1 posted on 10/24/2011 10:59:48 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

IIRC, both Jobs and Gates ripped off Xerox.


2 posted on 10/24/2011 11:02:05 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Ronald Reagan: "our liberal friends....know so much that isn't so...")
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To: Right Cal Gal

“...Jobs... ripped off Xerox.”

How so?


3 posted on 10/24/2011 11:04:24 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: US Navy Vet

yes your company is more inventive.. (using BSD now..) and it was saved by making a replacement for the Walkman.. but in real computing, i.e. BUSINESS apple is a boutique tool at best nice for artists and music people, and snobs that want to be happy that they paid 30% more for the same thing.. but in real world Micro$oft is the winner for actually doing things.

Oh and the apple ][ as not inventive not one part in it was created by Apple just assembled off the shelf parts with some tweaking. (commodore was for the $ better I think)


4 posted on 10/24/2011 11:05:07 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: This Just In

You don’t know that Xerox invented the first GUI?


5 posted on 10/24/2011 11:06:39 AM PDT by Strk321
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To: US Navy Vet

He didn’t? (I always thought that was how Windows Vista came to be)


6 posted on 10/24/2011 11:07:33 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: This Just In

The Mac interface as in many ways a copy of Xerox heck there is even a video that shows them using the first “mouse” that the speaker says he hopes gets a different name...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6_X04XwrUY8


7 posted on 10/24/2011 11:08:33 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: Bidimus1

“the apple ][ as not inventive not one part in it was created by Apple just assembled off the shelf parts with some tweaking.”

And so was the PC platform for that matter.


8 posted on 10/24/2011 11:08:38 AM PDT by Strk321
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To: Strk321

Has Jobs claimed to have invented the first GUI?


9 posted on 10/24/2011 11:09:28 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: US Navy Vet
Steve Jobs Shocker: Bill Gates Should Have Dropped Acid

Gee, thanks Steve. And, you should have had your operation when the doctors told you to, instead of treating it with vegetables & roots.

How'd that work out for ya?

10 posted on 10/24/2011 11:10:13 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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11 posted on 10/24/2011 11:11:09 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: This Just In

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_%28company%29 for an overview, and most especially, the Alto and Star. Xerox PARC, Alan Kay and others, can rightfully claim paternity for windowed graphical user interfaces and the mouse.

And Ethernet and the Laser Printer, if anyone is counting.

Whether this is a “rip off” or not is debatable but that Xerox did the R&D is not.


12 posted on 10/24/2011 11:11:22 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: This Just In
Has Jobs claimed to have invented the first GUI?

I believe it was Al Gore. :-)

13 posted on 10/24/2011 11:11:30 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Strk321

Yes Boca Raton did not do much in the way of inovation either but those 3 magic letters changed the computer market to the PC market.

(I collected compouters, have IBM PC XT and AT & Jr Apple ][+ Apple /// and a Lisa and Kapro IV and 16 (among many others)


14 posted on 10/24/2011 11:12:48 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: US Navy Vet

Apple’s genius was in marketing to a segment of the population willing to pay more in order to feel like they’re “cool” and/or somehow unique.


15 posted on 10/24/2011 11:13:01 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: This Just In

No but the article tries to show him as being very “inovative” and that M$ was not.. as it turns out Apple was not a lot more innovative if you really look at the history. sort of like repackaging new deal/socialism as hope and change.. new package but same stuff.


16 posted on 10/24/2011 11:15:21 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: bigbob

Thanks for the info., bigbob.

I was wondering whether or not Jobs claimed to have invented any of the aforementioned technology/hardware/software.


17 posted on 10/24/2011 11:15:49 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Bidimus1

30% more?

The last time I considered buying an Apple computer, it was in the range of 150% more.


18 posted on 10/24/2011 11:15:49 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: Bidimus1

“No but the article tries to show him as being very “inovative”...”

In all fairness, Jobs didn’t right the article. The paper/reporter’s trying to exploit Jobs achievements and Apples popularity.


19 posted on 10/24/2011 11:18:07 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Strk321

The first graphical interface was invented by Xerox at PARC. The machine was called the Alto.

I don’t think Jobs ever said he invented the GUI. Or the mouse. He did “rip them off”.

As far as Apple goes today Mac OS X is built on BSD. Which is a POSIX compliant unix OS. Jobs did not invent Unix, that is for sure:)

Jobs scabbed other peoples work too. But in a much prettier way than Gates...


20 posted on 10/24/2011 11:18:48 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Puppage

LOL! :^)


21 posted on 10/24/2011 11:19:47 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Bidimus1

“(commodore was for the $ better I think)”

I would agree.


22 posted on 10/24/2011 11:20:03 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I wonder if Jobs ever visited any of his slave labor,excuse me,worker’s paradise factories in China?


23 posted on 10/24/2011 11:20:45 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Strk321
You don’t know that Xerox invented the first GUI?

I think he's taking issue with the claim that Apple "stole" it.

It didn't

24 posted on 10/24/2011 11:21:28 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: US Navy Vet
"He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger," Jobs added.

What to think...

Well, put it this way, dropping acid or going off to an ashram when he was younger wouldn't have made Bill Gates a "broader guy." But if he had been inherently a more creative guy, he would more likely have dropped acid or gone off to an ashram when he was younger.
25 posted on 10/24/2011 11:21:47 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: This Just In

No, but his Jim Jones-esque cult followers probably think so. Apple did not invent the 3.5” floppy, mouse, or GUI, but they popularized all of them.


26 posted on 10/24/2011 11:22:08 AM PDT by Strk321
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To: US Navy Vet

If only all these Steve Jobs biography quotes could be collected where one could read them all in one place... perhaps in book form... :D


27 posted on 10/24/2011 11:22:55 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: This Just In

The mouse, the GUI were “borrowed” from PARC/Xerox. The touchpad technology was borrowed as well although improved upon a little. Almost all of that technology has been around for 10 years. Gates also did some liberal borrowing, sometimes from the same sources. Gates actually did develop/coinvent some of the original technology he employed. Considering the economic and business history of the two firms I would say that Gates was more of a genius without the acid than Jobs was stoned. MS thrived and grew while Apple almost went under with their overpriced and proprietary hardware and software. Jobs was probably always a bit jealous and it showed, for instance, when Apple built a huge base of users by giving away hardware and software to schools and then years later sued MS for anti-competitive practices for setting up the same type of program. He was an overhyped, hippie, pimple on the ass of time. By the way; Dennis Ritchie who died the same week was a real inventor and creator of technology without which Apple and MS would have never been successful.


28 posted on 10/24/2011 11:23:23 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: US Navy Vet
Jobs, in his final meeting with Isaacson in mid-August, still held out hope that there might be one new drug that could save him. He also wanted to believe in God and an afterlife.

"Ever since I've had cancer, I've been thinking about (God) more. And I find myself believing a bit more. Maybe it's because I want to believe in an afterlife. That when you die, it doesn't just all disappear," Isaacson quoted Jobs as saying.

"Then he paused for a second and he said 'yeah, but sometimes I think it's just like an on-off switch. Click and you're gone," Isaacson said of Jobs. "He paused again, and he said: And that's why I don't like putting on-off switches on Apple devices."

R.I.P. Steve
29 posted on 10/24/2011 11:23:32 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: isthisnickcool

“Good Artists Borrow, Great Artists Steal.” - Pablo Picasso


30 posted on 10/24/2011 11:24:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Puppage

That’s why people died young in olden times. Because they used vegetables and roots to treat disease. Not that it was an issue then since they didn’t know any better.

But at the end of the day, we’re all gonna die eventually anyway.


31 posted on 10/24/2011 11:25:34 AM PDT by Strk321
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To: Right Cal Gal; This Just In
IIRC, both Jobs and Gates ripped off Xerox.

It's so easy to repeat the internet myths, isn't it? When that knee jerks, it's almost as good a feeling as a sneeze.
32 posted on 10/24/2011 11:25:59 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: US Navy Vet
"Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology," Jobs told author Walter Isaacson. "He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

Better put some ice on that, Bill.

33 posted on 10/24/2011 11:27:13 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Tribune7

No, I’m not curious to know whether or not Jobs “stole” the invention. I wanted to know whether or not Jobs made any claims in inventing the GUI.

It’s obvious that he “ripped off” technology. Or, if you will, improved or redesigned it. People do this all the time, but to claim that you invented it is truly deceptive and criminal.


34 posted on 10/24/2011 11:27:35 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: Cementjungle

You hit it on the head. He built a market for those willing to pay big bucks for something that was not very upgradable if at all, limited in software packages, but it looked cool. They rode the “but it has better graphics” pony long after bigger, better horses came along.


35 posted on 10/24/2011 11:27:45 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: US Navy Vet


Calls

Black


36 posted on 10/24/2011 11:27:49 AM PDT by j_k_l
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To: Strk321
Everyone in the computer business — and most certainly Xerox (Xerox made high end word processors) knew about the GUI. None of them recognized the significance of it. In fact, most IT “experts” at the time were hostile to the idea — dismissing it as a toy. Jobs saw it for what it could do for computing “for the rest of us”. He took it from the lab rats at PARC, and turned it into a practical, functioning product that met the needs of the market.

You could compare Jobs to Christopher Columbus. Mariners knew for centuries that the “scientific consensus” was bogus — that the world was round not flat. None of them sailed off to “the ends of the world” on that knowledge. That's why there's a “Columbus” day.

37 posted on 10/24/2011 11:29:30 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: US Navy Vet

Gates didn’t have to drop acid.

Ever hear of MSLSD?


38 posted on 10/24/2011 11:29:41 AM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He Hate Me Uns)
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To: j_k_l

Ooo, that’s a nice tea pot!


39 posted on 10/24/2011 11:29:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: j_k_l

Ooo, that’s a nice tea pot! ... Or I should say, ‘That’s a nice kettle!’ Does it run on 110 alternating current or is a direct current only?


40 posted on 10/24/2011 11:31:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: This Just In
No, I’m not curious to know whether or not Jobs “stole” the invention. I wanted to know whether or not Jobs made any claims in inventing the GUI.

Jobs never claimed to have invented the GUI.

Jobs never even claimed to have invented the Apple computer

41 posted on 10/24/2011 11:31:44 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7

We all start feeling very religious when we know the end is near. I think about that hilarious confession list Ted Kennedy sent to the Pope. Here was a guy who probably never took religion seriously after the age of 15, and then suddenly when he was stricken with brain cancer, “Uh oh. Better repent just in case.”

Also remember Jobs saying (paraphrased) “Everybody wants to live if you think about it. Even the man who wants to go to Heaven doesn’t want to die first to get there.”


42 posted on 10/24/2011 11:31:56 AM PDT by Strk321
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To: RJS1950

Thanks for the insight, RJS950. Sorry to hear about Mr. Ritchie.


43 posted on 10/24/2011 11:32:09 AM PDT by This Just In
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To: dfwgator

“Good Artists Borrow, Great Artists Steal.” - Pablo Picasso

“Originality is undetected plagiarism.” - J. S. Bach


44 posted on 10/24/2011 11:33:39 AM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He Hate Me Uns)
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To: US Navy Vet
Life would be boring if everyone were the same, besides Gates had a certain level of success doing things his way.

If Jobs and Gates had a TV series it would be called 'Blowhard and the Nerd'.

45 posted on 10/24/2011 11:34:09 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: US Navy Vet

Yes, because dropping acid is for *winners*. Right?

Just ask Charlie Sheen how that is working out for him.


46 posted on 10/24/2011 11:35:36 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Which is a myth. People in Columbus’s time knew the world was round all right, but they grossly underestimated the size of it and assumed that Asia was the approximate distance from Europe that North America is.


47 posted on 10/24/2011 11:35:39 AM PDT by Strk321
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To: bigbob

Apple did not just ripoff Xerox. Apple compensated Xerox $1M for their visits. Apple made substantial extensions on every technology shown during Jobs’s visit especially on graphical interface and pointing devices. Xerox published a reasonable level of their results in the open literature also. Jobs deserves full credit for developing and marketing the Macintosh. Here is an interesting report on Xerox Parc and Apple.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/16/110516fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=1


48 posted on 10/24/2011 11:37:55 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: US Navy Vet

I think Jobs should thanks Gates and MSFT for investing $150,000,000 in Apple to keep it from dying.


49 posted on 10/24/2011 11:38:10 AM PDT by Chandalier (You say Obama, I say O-blame-o!)
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To: Tribune7

God? What is this God talk? After he died I read he had been a Buddhist. That must be where he gets that on off switch analogy. Nirvana ain’t suddenly so compelling when you are facing it and you are Steve Jobs. Sounds a bit like a no atheists in foxholes moment.


50 posted on 10/24/2011 11:40:56 AM PDT by xp38
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