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Apple building 174 acre solar farm to power North Carolina data center
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Posted on 10/29/2011 9:00:47 AM PDT by matt04

Charlotte Observer is reporting that Apple has begun work building a 174 acre solar farm to power their new Maiden, North Carolina data center. The data center, located in Catawba County, was revealed by Steve Jobs during the iOS 5 keynote at WWDC this year, and will be partly responsible for powering iCloud. It was revealed earlier this year that Apple was purchasing land around the data center. Now we know why.

Permits issued by Catawba County show that the Cupertino, Calif., company has been approved to reshape the slope of some of the 171 acres of vacant land it owns on Startown Road, opposite the data center, in preparation of building a solar farm.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: apple; datacenter; maiden; northcarolina; solar
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I wonder how much the solar instillation will cost, and if Apple had to do a rigorous impact study about the common field mouse before grading the land.
1 posted on 10/29/2011 9:00:52 AM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

Right on.

Buy American.


2 posted on 10/29/2011 9:02:19 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: matt04

The environmentalists will try to block this with web-based “grass roots” agitation, using their I-pads and I-phones. This will delay Apple’s purchase of solar panels from China.


3 posted on 10/29/2011 9:03:44 AM PDT by henkster (Socialists and liberals all want jobs; they just don't want to work.)
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To: matt04

Hmm. I suspect they will have to hide he real power source for the data farm. Even 170 acres of solar cells won’t do the job when it’s dark. Or raining. Or cloudy.


4 posted on 10/29/2011 9:03:47 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: henkster

Hahahhahaaaaa!!!!!


5 posted on 10/29/2011 9:06:50 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: matt04

what the aich is a solar farm, sounds like some goofy Apple thing


6 posted on 10/29/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: saganite

“Hmm. I suspect they will have to hide he real power source for the data farm. Even 170 acres of solar cells won’t do the job when it’s dark. Or raining. Or cloudy.”

So, if it works even 50% of the time, they’ve saved on electricity (less their solar costs).

It’s private capital. I am going to assume they’ve run the numbers. No way this is a PR move.


7 posted on 10/29/2011 9:11:17 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: saganite

“Hmm. I suspect they will have to hide he real power source for the data farm. Even 170 acres of solar cells won’t do the job when it’s dark. Or raining. Or cloudy.”

So, if it works even 50% of the time, they’ve saved on electricity (less their solar costs).

It’s private capital. I am going to assume they’ve run the numbers. No way this is a PR move.


8 posted on 10/29/2011 9:11:23 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: matt04
Charlotte Observer is reporting that Apple has begun work building a 174 acre solar farm to power their new Maiden,...

A nuclear power plant would produce much more power and use up much less precious land.

9 posted on 10/29/2011 9:11:27 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: cowtowney; saganite

You’re assuming it’s private capital. I’m doubting it. Remember who is in the White House.


10 posted on 10/29/2011 9:13:43 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: cowtowney
So, if it works even 50% of the time, they’ve saved on electricity (less their solar costs).

It is only viable with heavy gubment subsidies.

11 posted on 10/29/2011 9:15:04 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (0 - 537 They ALL must go.)
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To: yldstrk

Just google “Solar farms” and look at Images


12 posted on 10/29/2011 9:15:39 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: EGPWS

Apple would put Bill Gates’ portrait on all of their products before they dabbled in nuclear power.


13 posted on 10/29/2011 9:15:46 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: cowtowney

For proper installation you have to do a “cloud analysis” to properly locate the panels. Using more inverters will help the efficiency.

Some states allows people/businesses to sell back power. It would be good move to reduce cost during peak demand.

As long as they do it on their own dime, I have no issue with it.


14 posted on 10/29/2011 9:15:46 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: cowtowney

” I am going to assume they’ve run the numbers. No way this is a PR move.”

PLease. It is a total PR move. Solar takes several decades to pay off, if it ever does. It makes no business sense whatsoever.


15 posted on 10/29/2011 9:17:06 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: cowtowney

Considering the Apple ties to the democrat socialist party, I would not be surprised if some digging revealed a large green jobs/green energy based infusion of taxpayer dollars into this project.


16 posted on 10/29/2011 9:17:32 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Swordmaker

PING!


17 posted on 10/29/2011 9:18:15 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: CodeToad

Not true. With the ability in some areas to sell back power, it can work if you do the numbers right.


18 posted on 10/29/2011 9:21:48 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: CodeToad

yeah it’s ONLY a PR move. Wonder how big a federal loan thye got


19 posted on 10/29/2011 9:24:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: matt04

Deforestation.

What about our animals and our Faw-rests??????????????

Apple hates forests and animals.


20 posted on 10/29/2011 9:25:39 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Noamie

Vista pollution. Yuk. In beautiful North Carolina as well...


21 posted on 10/29/2011 9:28:57 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: Perdogg

I hope they have a terrific water source. Washing 174 acres of panels isn’t a one well job.


22 posted on 10/29/2011 9:29:35 AM PDT by Noamie
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23 posted on 10/29/2011 9:35:48 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: cowtowney

Less their solar costs is a hell of a lot. It isn’t just install and hook up and that’s it. Solar panels require intensive maintenance. Despite your claims that it’s private capital I doubt it is all funded out of Apple’s pocket. There are huge subsidies involved from the govt to encourage these things. Apple is obviously taking advantage of every penny of subsidy. I suspect the primary purpose is for PR though. They have billions and their clientele is “green” so it’s good business to have pictures of some nice shiny mirrors outside they can put in their sales literature. They’re certainly not doing it because it’s cost effective.


24 posted on 10/29/2011 9:36:30 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

There is a 30% tax credit on the installation of the solar panels for both business and residential. But allowing some one to sell back the power in some states is the kicker.


25 posted on 10/29/2011 9:45:51 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: fooman

Vista wasn’t that bad, but has been superseded by 7 anyway. Wait, what?


26 posted on 10/29/2011 9:47:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: matt04
Other Austin Energy renewable projects include the Webberville Solar Farm, which is located east of Austin on 300 acres of land owned by the city. The large array of 270 watt photovoltaic modules will generate a total of 30 megawatts for the city and is set to be online in December. The city is paying $10 million a year for 25 years as the solar farm’s sole client to Gemini Solar Development Co., the farm’s owner and operator.


27 posted on 10/29/2011 9:47:45 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; cowtowney; 2ndDivisionVet; Perdogg; Swordmaker

Thanks!


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To: saganite

Let’s all of us meet back here ten years from now and discuss how well this project has worked out.


29 posted on 10/29/2011 9:49:36 AM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: CodeToad

I recall a article about some environmental group protesting Apple’s move to build the data center because it’s power source would primarily be from nuclear and coal based on the area it is built in. No coincidence that the electricity is cheap in that area.


30 posted on 10/29/2011 9:51:43 AM PDT by matt04
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To: matt04

One hundred and seventy-four acres dedicated to powering, if not one building, then one endeavor, a data center, in a group of buildings.

There is terminal stupidity behind this.


31 posted on 10/29/2011 9:59:51 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: cowtowney
It’s private capital. I am going to assume they’ve run the numbers. No way this is a PR move.

You are misinformed about the economics of solar power. This project is a product of heavy government subsidies, not private investment decisions. Subsidies permeate this project from federal/state tax credits, utility forced investments, utility power mandates, and net metering (forcing utilities to offset power use with excess solar power generated). Without this boatload of subsidies, this project would be laughed out of Apple's capital budgeting mix. The subsidies are paid by higher government borrowing, taxes, and utility rates. Most of the manufacturing is performed in China.
32 posted on 10/29/2011 10:05:46 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: matt04

That’s a whole bunch of valuable land gobbled up for this project.


33 posted on 10/29/2011 10:11:38 AM PDT by lurk
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To: matt04
oy. well, at least when there's nothing left to eat, there might be just enough power to keep it warm.
34 posted on 10/29/2011 10:23:09 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: matt04

so wtf ever happened to “not scarring the land” or whatever? You can’t strip-mine, but you can put turn a countryside into a freaking eyesore junkyard of metal and plastic?


35 posted on 10/29/2011 10:24:36 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Like a lot of things with land use, zoning, and politics.

Follow the money.....


36 posted on 10/29/2011 10:28:02 AM PDT by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: RJS1950

I wouldn’t call Apple Co. socialist. I’ve always thought of Steve Jobs as a liberal Capitalist.


37 posted on 10/29/2011 10:28:57 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: nascarnation
Like a lot of things with land use, zoning, and politics. Follow the money.....

If you're suggesting that there's a fatass tax break that can be traced up the road to Pennsylvania Avenue, I'd say you're probably right.

38 posted on 10/29/2011 10:31:55 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: MinorityRepublican
I wouldn’t call Apple Co. socialist. I’ve always thought of Steve Jobs as a liberal Capitalist.

Steve Jobs no longer runs the company. It's just another corporation now, an annex of the burgeoning fascist state.

39 posted on 10/29/2011 10:32:52 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: cowtowney
Well, of course it is at least partially a PR move. Why do you think you are reading about it?
40 posted on 10/29/2011 10:33:00 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Noamie
I hope they have a terrific water source. Washing 174 acres of panels isn’t a one well job.

That's no problema. They will be providing a lot of jobs for those willing to do the work Americans won't do.

41 posted on 10/29/2011 10:35:47 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: the invisib1e hand
Apple building 174 acre solar farm to power North Carolina data center

Maybe they should build their own nuclear power plant. One of those new, safe, small ones. Then they wouldn't have to worry about ice, snow, rain, clouds, dust, and the major part of the 24 hour cycle when there's not enough light to do much of anything.
43 posted on 10/29/2011 10:36:33 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: RobinOfKingston
One hundred and seventy-four acres dedicated to powering, if not one building, then one endeavor, a data center, in a group of buildings. There is terminal stupidity behind this.

What kind of natural gas power plant could they put on 174 acres?

44 posted on 10/29/2011 10:40:11 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: cowtowney

and will be partly responsible for powering iCloud

partial is right on the money.

So, if it works even 50% of the time, they’ve saved on electricity (less their solar costs).

You better check out what 174 acres of solar panels gets you in NC. And you’re 50% number is off by 25% plus %. and those numbers are based on doing it in Death Valley.


45 posted on 10/29/2011 10:49:34 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: matt04

It should take about 75 years to recoup the amount invested.


46 posted on 10/29/2011 10:54:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: matt04

How many poor Africans could be fed by the corn, soybeans, alfalfa or dairy herds that could occupy 174 acres???


47 posted on 10/29/2011 11:01:26 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: yldstrk

“Wonder how big a federal loan thye got”

Not sure about any loans but I am sure they got half back in tax breaks.


48 posted on 10/29/2011 11:45:44 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Perdogg

Even with selling back electicity, which that small plant couldn’t possibly sell back as it doesn’t feed the entire complex enough electricity as it is, solar never pays off. The price of the systems are still too high for break even points within 25 years. They simply do not generate enough electricity to cover their costs.


49 posted on 10/29/2011 11:47:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

“The city is paying $10 million a year for 25 years as the solar farm’s sole client to Gemini Solar Development Co., the farm’s owner and operator.”

And they are paying several times more for the solar cost over normal forms of energy just to tell people they are using solar.


50 posted on 10/29/2011 11:50:27 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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