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Rural rebellion brewing
Orange County Register ^ | Oct. 29, 2011 | STEVEN GREENHUT

Posted on 10/30/2011 7:34:54 AM PDT by artichokegrower

SACRAMENTO – The nearly five-hour drive from the Sacramento area to Yreka, in Siskiyou County by the Oregon border, was a reminder not just of the immense size and beauty of California, but of the vast regional and cultural differences one finds within our 37-million-population state.

Sacramento is Government Central, a land of overly pensioned bureaucrats and restaurant discounts for state workers. But way up in the North State, one finds a small but hard-edged rural populace that views state and federal officials as the main obstacles to their quality of life.

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"Constitution sheriffs."

Damn I love the sound of that. Made my day.

1 posted on 10/30/2011 7:34:55 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower
"....rural populace that views state and federal officials as the main obstacles to their quality of life."

Infernal revenuers trying to shut down the free growth of MJ.

2 posted on 10/30/2011 7:36:40 AM PDT by Paladin2
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"Plumas County Sheriff Greg Hagwood related the stir he caused when he said he "will not criminalize citizens for just accessing public lands." "

The counties should grab the National Forests using eminent domain, "for the children".

3 posted on 10/30/2011 7:40:27 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: artichokegrower
Their latest battle is to stop destruction of four hydroelectric dams along the Klamath River – an action driven by environmentalists and the Obama administration. Most locals say the dam-busting will undermine their property rights and ruin the local farming and ranch economy, which is all that's left since environmental regulators destroyed the logging and mining industries.

Fascist government that even Mussolini would be proud of.

4 posted on 10/30/2011 7:41:31 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: artichokegrower

A Nat Geo show on game wardens had some of these freedom lovers showcased, basically psychopathic game poachers and drug addled losers. Not saying that everyone who mouths the word “freedom” is a load on society, but when the word “freedom” is used the question, “From what” must always be asked.


5 posted on 10/30/2011 7:41:42 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta

So, are they just doin’ the subsistence poaching on Lord 0bama’s land that the rest of America doesn’t want to do?


6 posted on 10/30/2011 7:45:43 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: junta
"A Nat Geo show...."

I'm sure that that show was unbiased and had no agenda.

7 posted on 10/30/2011 7:47:15 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: artichokegrower

I’ve made that trip well over 100 times...
There’s a large sign on I 505:

‘You can’t fix stupid, but you can vote it out.’


8 posted on 10/30/2011 7:47:59 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: artichokegrower

I kind of see the next civil war not as north/south but rural/city....literally the entire 50 contiguous states. Same basic philosophies at odds just with the “small central government” folks coming out on top and most cities over 100,000 people quite literally aflame.

The state I live in for instance. The Olympia-Tacoma-Seattle corridor is very, VERY liberal to almost communist in it’s political leanings. Most of the rest of the state is center-right. I think that is the case in most states with large rural areas that are dominated by 1 to 4 cities of size.

But, if you cut those cities off. Nothing in, nothing out.....well, it’s a strategy anyways.


9 posted on 10/30/2011 7:48:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: junta

Well as one who lives and works in a rural area I would like the freedom to continue to earn a living and to feed America. I would like freedom from over regulation by labor boards, air quality boards, water quality boards, coastal boards, and more which are all made up of unelected unaccountable bureaucrats. In the end I would like to pass on what Ive worked for and earned on to my children without the feds confiscating most of it. We country folks aren’t all that complicated.


10 posted on 10/30/2011 7:48:45 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

posted here

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2799725/posts


11 posted on 10/30/2011 7:50:22 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Paladin2

No they were psychopaths who just liked to kill and kill and kill some more, and do some good drugs. I’m a hunter so don’t try and place me as a lib. The game wardens were doing their job and rather professionaly I might add. So tell me about your game taking habits, and tell me about your “rights” and “freedoms.”


12 posted on 10/30/2011 7:51:02 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: artichokegrower

13 posted on 10/30/2011 7:53:32 AM PDT by WSGilcrest (/s)
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To: artichokegrower

What exactly do you do? A neighbor of ours became a freedom lover the minute he was stopped from becoming a waste dump for a small factory, he loved freedom and hated government the moment his neighbors became worried that the drums of solvent could actually leak their chemicals into the water table next to our wells. But he is a farmer who also loves his gooberment check, but he wants freedom and his rights respected, I understand.


14 posted on 10/30/2011 7:54:45 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta

So, did Nat Geo take into custody? Claim that they were typical and represent the majority? Maybe the folks up there need some genetic cleansing?


15 posted on 10/30/2011 7:55:01 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: junta

We row crop vegetable growers here in California receive no government crop subsidies. We were pretty much ignored in the last Farm Bill and like it that way.


16 posted on 10/30/2011 7:58:08 AM PDT by artichokegrower
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To: Grunthor

“50 contiguous states”

OMG....48!! Guilty of PWC. (Posting without coffee.)


17 posted on 10/30/2011 7:59:30 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: WSGilcrest

RIP Brian


18 posted on 10/30/2011 8:00:18 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: Paladin2

Nor. Cal is a beautiful area. The wardens did admit that the cultural belief of many in the area is to live without restraint in regards to the game laws. I understand that mentality I have certainly grew up around it, but I can also come to understand that such mentality is for children and or retards like these internet braggards who kill and kill and kill just so they post on the net their pictures of them chopping pig’s heads off with swords.


19 posted on 10/30/2011 8:01:28 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta

I live in a rural area. I own a farm. I want to run a dairy here. Do you have any idea how much red tape I have to navigate just to sell the milk from two cows to my friends and neighbors?

It’s ridiculous but statists continually vote for people that place these burdens upon us.


20 posted on 10/30/2011 8:01:49 AM PDT by Grunthor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heL2Czeraw)
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To: artichokegrower

I own a small farm in the middle of the country in an area that in part depends on melt water via the Platte so I can understand the issues revolving around government infrastructure and water rights fights.


21 posted on 10/30/2011 8:03:42 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: artichokegrower

My money’s on the good ol’ boys.


22 posted on 10/30/2011 8:04:19 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: artichokegrower

Yep, there is a huge tension between “urban” minded and rural minded citizens.


23 posted on 10/30/2011 8:04:21 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Grunthor

Sell it as cat milk.


24 posted on 10/30/2011 8:04:22 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government. Patrick Henry

Support Free Republic

25 posted on 10/30/2011 8:07:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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A Nat Geo show on game wardens

I was a game warden in California for a bit and in Wisconsin. The really strange thing was that I found that game wardens in Wisconsin were really all about power and pushing people around without much concern for what they were accomplishing. They were an extremely inbred and strange organization. I came to trust police officers far more than game wardens, because game wardens had almost no oversight, really liked to write tickets for small infractions, and had a mentality that if they wrote a ticket to someone that technically did not deserve it, they were only making up for some other infraction that they had not caught.

Years later, I was told of a Game warden in California that I had known, that had (IMHO), abused his position. I was very glad to get out of that organization. It was the worst professional job that I have ever had.

26 posted on 10/30/2011 8:10:12 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: artichokegrower
The environmentalists have gone to court here in Oregon to put slugs and snails on the endangered species list, so they can completely shut down forest mgmt anywhere in the state.

The most productive Douglas Fir forests in the world lay in about four counties in southern Oregon. Since the spotted owl we have been living on a "hand out" from the feds to not cut our forests, 50 million for our county. The results 20% unemployment and another mill shutting down every year.

The county commissioners say in about 5 years all forest practice skills will be lost on the next generation. Our number one export? Our children!

27 posted on 10/30/2011 8:10:58 AM PDT by thirst4truth (The left elected a mouth that is unattached to an eye, brain or muscle.)
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Rough and Ready, CA tried secession in 1850...:^)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_and_Ready,_California

Unfortunately they found unintended consequences...:^)

28 posted on 10/30/2011 8:15:07 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Grunthor
It's the same everywhere. The election results maps prove it out nationwide.

I read this and started thinking it appears that people are being nudged toward urban areas as a result of environmental policies. Big Enviro is destroying their rural livelihood with red tape and reclamation. These rural California counties are the ones that elect the few Republicans in our state legislature. If it works in Cali...

29 posted on 10/30/2011 8:16:06 AM PDT by yooling
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To: junta
No they were psychopaths who just liked to kill and kill and kill some more, and do some good drugs. I’m a hunter so don’t try and place me as a lib. The game wardens were doing their job and rather professionaly I might add. So tell me about your game taking habits, and tell me about your “rights” and “freedoms.”

So they cherry picked a few physcos and you think all of the people living in the northern counties of CA are like that. What a dork. The people in Northern CA are mostly people who believe in the constitution and most of them are not poachers and drug users. You will always have a few bad apples in any area this show most likely, like all left leaning TV, hunted until they found the dregs and then show cased them.

BTW, a**hat, I hunt and have hunted since I was 12. I am not a poacher or a drug user/dealer and I live in Northern CA, where most of the industry, logging in particular, and mining secondarily, has been wiped out by the feds regulations. People here are suffering due to an over abundance of government and idiots like you stand behind the feds and cheer and call the locals outlaws.

30 posted on 10/30/2011 8:16:40 AM PDT by calex59
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To: junta

Just sell it and make every transaction in cash. F em.


31 posted on 10/30/2011 8:20:13 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: marktwain

These young men in California were very professional, but what else could they be since it was recorded. I have never personally dealt with a bad warden, but such must exist. I have dealt with the usual poacher types who lament their freedoms and rights being restrained as if god loves them more than the others, which in my mind makes them childlike and retarded.


32 posted on 10/30/2011 8:22:01 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: marktwain

We have a game warden here that was like that in the past. Word has it a near death experience from a hunting rifle when he was in a remote area changed his attitude.


33 posted on 10/30/2011 8:24:24 AM PDT by meatloaf (It's time to push back against out of control government.)
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To: calex59

Au contraire. But the locals as you call them too often side with the lumpen turds like these internet picture posting psychopaths. And that is why you get rolled and rolled every damn time by the people most certainly not like me. The slug they showcased lived on a beautiful little ranch that he basically converted into a dungeon of death, there is no defending him. BTW I love my chainsaw and the reason why god put trees on Earth is for me to tend to them when needed.


34 posted on 10/30/2011 8:27:55 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: EGPWS

It’s sad that Mussolini probably wouldn’t destroy industry like that.


35 posted on 10/30/2011 8:29:08 AM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: junta

Why we get rolled by these enviro lawyers who do nothing for the enviroment except make a living as a suited mafia is because we sit there like turds on the forest floor waiting for things to happen and then we can go on in our minds as the good guys protecting tradition. Well I say piss on being a reactionary it is high time we take intiative and take charge.


36 posted on 10/30/2011 8:32:01 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: artichokegrower

yes.


37 posted on 10/30/2011 8:36:40 AM PDT by ken21
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To: yooling

come to think of it,

there was a plan to return the prairies from texas to canada

back to a “buffalo commons” —

without humans.


38 posted on 10/30/2011 8:38:26 AM PDT by ken21
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To: Grunthor
"I kind of see the next civil war not as north/south but rural/city.

The blockades are already perfectly arranged then.

39 posted on 10/30/2011 8:51:58 AM PDT by ScottinSacto (If a generic Republican will beat Obama, let's not nominate one. Cain/West 2012)
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To: artichokegrower

Can the northern and western counties seceed?


40 posted on 10/30/2011 9:12:59 AM PDT by JSDude1 (December 18, 2010 the Day the radical homosexual left declared WAR on the US Military.)
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To: yooling

>It’s the same everywhere. The election results maps prove it out nationwide.

I read this and started thinking it appears that people are being nudged toward urban areas as a result of environmental policies. Big Enviro is destroying their rural livelihood with red tape and reclamation. These rural California counties are the ones that elect the few Republicans in our state legislature. If it works in Cali...

Thank Agenda 21


41 posted on 10/30/2011 9:18:48 AM PDT by gunner03
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To: junta

I’ve been watching that show too. The fines are way way light compared to what I’ve heard from people (a deliberate violation results, i.e. carrying buckshot in Turkey season, in the loss of gun and truck). Moreover, on the show, they are very respectful of land owners but that is not true in real life. Most states let game wardens write their own search permits (in a legally justified violation of the fourth amendment) and they take that to extremes, driving on posted property unannounced, etc. etc. Last, in areas with a high deer population, farmers are typically allowed to shoot deer on sight out of season but on that show they wrote some geezer a ticket for terminally wounding a deer in his two acre garden with a .22.

I like the show but it doesn’t jive with what I know.


42 posted on 10/30/2011 9:42:31 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I think good old Patrick Henry will be quoted more and more often in the coming years. He wasn’t a states right-er and was very much against the national government. Perfect for our times.


43 posted on 10/30/2011 9:49:36 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: marktwain

As a former game warden, would you comment on the “search warrant” thing, please?


44 posted on 10/30/2011 9:51:14 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: junta

One more comment.

On one show they were searching for hog meat. In SC hogs can be killed at almost all times (even at night with flashlights) with whatever guns are allowed for other seasons or any personal protection gun you might be carrying. No tags, no season, etc. etc. They are a non-native species that eats everything, are dangerous and poop everywhere. Worse than crows. But in CA they are “part of the wildlife” if I remember what they said correctly.


45 posted on 10/30/2011 9:57:39 AM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: yooling
Big Enviro is destroying their rural livelihood with red tape and reclamation.

California took the funds that were budgeted for state fire protection in rural zones and then placed a ~175.00 plus fee on all land (per habitable buildings)in that zone on property owners. My woodshed is habitable.

One of the 700 plus new laws passed this year with only a simple majority.

Those state lawmakers sure know how to puinish those rural conservatives good.

46 posted on 10/30/2011 10:14:55 AM PDT by 386wt
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To: gunner03

The environmental laws never made sense, until you look at Agenda 21.
The Agenda 21 scheme, known in California as the Emerald Cities Program, is probably unstoppable now in California, short of cutting off all State & Federal funds going to green & sustainable projects and possibly rebellion.
I’ve been connecting the dots on Agenda 21 for 4-5 years now. This year, with 3 court rulings, Agenda 21 is cemented into California law. Cap & Trade was the ultimate goal.
The people of California don’t even realize what the future holds for them.

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/index/Documents/Sustainable_Communities_FactSheet.pdf


47 posted on 10/30/2011 10:28:23 AM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: junta
"Freedom from what" must always be asked???

Wrong. The questions that should be asked is "Laws to restrict what? We need them why?"

I will bet my bottom dollar that there are some freedoms you enjoy, behaviors you indulge that I think are stupid and destructive. As a hypothetical example -- soda pop. I KNOW for a fact that drinking a lot of soda is stupid and destructive. I AM correct on that, and what if, with the power of righteousness, I supported laws to restrict YOUR FREEDOM to drink all the soda pop and to have your children drink all the soda pop you wanted?

And suddenly you want to be free from those regulations, and I sneer at you and say, "Yeah, you want freedom -- from what?"

Frankly, I'd rather tolerate "drug-addled losers" and "psychopathic game poachers" in order to be FREE FROM THE LIKES OF YOU. You presume to determine at which point one turns from being a harmless social drinker/occasional dope smoker to "drug addled loser," and when one turns from taking wild game off public land to being a "psychopathic game poacher"???

Freedom from what? FREEDOM FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU.

48 posted on 10/30/2011 10:56:35 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Paladin2

No, it’s the opposite. The Forest Service wants to prevent local people from accessing National Forest so as to make it easier for the drug cartel’s huge MJ growing operations on public land. I live surrounded by National Forests and I know what I am talking about. My County Sheriff Gil Gilbertson is a great Constitutionalist and is fighting the feds. I love the guy.


49 posted on 10/30/2011 11:45:21 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: artichokegrower
Well as one who lives and works in a rural area I would like the freedom to continue to earn a living and to feed America. I would like freedom from over regulation by labor boards, air quality boards, water quality boards, coastal boards, and more which are all made up of unelected unaccountable bureaucrats. In the end I would like to pass on what Ive worked for and earned on to my children without the feds confiscating most of it. We country folks aren’t all that complicated.Well said!
50 posted on 10/30/2011 11:51:54 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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