Skip to comments.Sheriff Joe's posse delivers promised Obama surprise
Posted on 10/31/2011 6:55:28 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Arizona's maverick Sheriff Joe Arpaio promised surprises in his jurisdiction's investigation of Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidential ballot and his Cold Case Posse is delivering raising questions that touch on the authenticity of the long-form birth certificate issued last April and the possibility Obama is using a fraudulent Social Security Number.
Sources close to the investigation say the posse has decided it needs to see original birth records before it can conclude whether Obama should be eligible for the presidential ballot in 2012, not an electronic file or scanned copies.
The sources say the panel needs to examine the microfilm documenting Obama's birth, as well as the ink-and-paper original 1961 birth records the Hawaii Department of Health is holding in its vault.
The PDF file and various scanned copies of the birth certificate that the White House released April 27 are simply not good enough, the posse has determined.
Earlier this month, WND senior staff reporter Jerome R. Corsi spent 18 hours over a two-day period in Arizona briefing the Cold Case Posse on a wide range of evidence regarding Obama's eligibility.
"The posse wants to see the entire microfilm roll containing Obama's birth certificate, not just a microfilm copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate in isolation," Corsi explained. "An individual microfilm copy could be forged, but forging the entire microfilm reel on which Obama's birth certificate is in sequence would be almost impossible."
Also, Corsi said, the posse wants the ink-and-paper original 1961 Obama birth records still held in vault by the Hawaii Department of Health to be released publicly and subjected to independent court-authorized forensic examination.
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I doubt that Obama can win Arizona, period. I think they've gone for the Democrat once in the last 60 years.
In a time of war ammunition will become in short supply, morale may be very low, intel will be uncertain.
First and foremost Obama MUST be exposed, or we will be facing futures history books with the untruth, the lies, the manufactured past.
We owe it to our future descendants to enforce the laws, not to ignore them because a few people call it beating a dead horse. They are the quitters, they have no guts, they have no fortitude, they have an alternative agenda, they are not the ones you would want near you on a battlefield.
Go Joe, give em hell!
Not a good thing for Team Kenya and Jakarta Boy.
He has volunteers doing the leg work. Retired NYC Detectives. So the good people of Arizona are not paying a dime for this.
So now they do interviews. Hawaii road trip. I can see the hospital administrator now .... “Was he born here? Hell no. Anymore questions?”
The bullseye on his back can't get any bigger. 0 has been going after him hard for three years.
No sweat. 0h0m0's underwear IS pink.
If a law enforcement agency goes to a hospital investigating interstate fraud and asks for proof of SAD giving birth there, I would think the Hospital would be obliged to come clean. Telling Law enforcement agents to go scratch might not be in their interest.
I say we flip the spin about this being a ‘fringe issue’ on it’s head.
There are hundreds of thousands of conservatives that think thhe birth certificate and NBC (father kenyan) need investigation. Any politician seeking conservative votes better be willing to listen to constituents and follow the law and evidence. This whole matter can be settled with a small amount of discovery. Let’s see the records and put the issue to rest.
So was the 91 year old buddy of mine who sky-dived a couple weeks ago.
“He is certainly acting his age.”
So are you!
The Constitution is not silly. Fraud is not silly. The birth certificate/social security number/identity issue is not silly. It is fundamental.
Pick a populous county with a Democratic sheriff in some other red state. Can the Republican candidate win Georgia if the Dem sheriff of Fulton county declares the GOP candidate ineligible in Fulton county? The idea of a county sheriff having any such authority under the law is laughable on its face, but folks have been believing in fairy tales for thousands if years so don’t let reality stop you.
Absolutely. Several states TRIED to enact a law requiring acceptable proof, but the Governor of Arizona would rather have Federal Money than to do her job. Same thing with the governor of Oklahoma.
Just because Barack Hussein Obama II, born in Mombasa, Kenya in the Coast Provincial General Hospital, fooled us once about his Hawaii birthplace, is no reason for us not to demand his true certificate of birth for the 2012 AMERICAN National Election.
There would have to be a whole lot better proof than i've seen so far for me to believe the "born in Kenya" theory. Currently I am leaning more toward a "born in Canada" theory, but I don't discount the possibility that he actually was born in Hawaii. I put no stock in it qualifying him, even if he was.
Don't worry, you'll get better when you grow up.
1. No Sheriff, in any county in the United States, controls access to the ballot.
Not normally, no, but I believe he can if he wishes to do so. The Sheriff is the Highest law enforcement officer of a County, and is the only one specifically mentioned in the US Constitution. At the very least, he can stir up such a hornets nest of outrage and humiliation that it will amount to the same thing. Now whether he chooses to do so is another question all together.
2. This "posse" is a posse in the modern sense, a group of hangers on who inflate the ego of a public person, not an official (if volunteer) part of law enforcement. A real, official, investigation, could go to the grand jury, and seek a grand jury subpoena of any public records relevant to its investigation. It wouldn't have to whine about how its lack of access to those records hinders its "investigation."
It could do so if the investigation was related to a crime committed in the County. As this is an extensive Federal issue, the Sheriff of a single county lacks jurisdiction for an investigation of such crimes as may have been committed outside of his own county. Now I should very well hope they can find evidence of a crime committed IN Maricopa county, for that will allow a much more extensive effort, but till then, they have to discover what they can within the law enforcement powers of that county.
Tell Dr. Conspiracy I said to "get stuffed."
If it is related to a crime having occurred within the Law Enforcement Agencies jurisdiction, I believe the Hospital would have to answer to a judge if they refused, but I don't see any angle where they can be compelled in this case. Perhaps if enough information of a crime is uncovered, it might be possible to force their hand, but till then, I would be very surprised if they didn't ignore him.
I've heard rumors that Michelle was disbarred because of something to do with the Chicago mayor's office. Do you have more information on any details?
I’ll pass on seeing the underwear but will take Man’s Country’s and Larry’s word for it.
That eliminates Ricky La Raza as he's of the opinion it doesn't matter.
Quite frankly, I do not care who it (this approach) eliminates.
Imagine a politician standing in front of an audience saying:
I want your vote...but I don’t care how many of you think eligibility is an issue. The law in this matter is old and vague with regard to the Kenyan parent. The assertions of LFBC forgery are unproven in court.
So, stop presenting me with an issue that washington power-players and the press can tarnish me with. I will not pursue this issue.
Thank you and don’t forget to vote on Tuesday.
If they aren’t active in pursuing the issue - they might as well be giving this speech to conservatives that think this issue is unsettled, which is a majority of conservatives.
They keep re-electing him to kick butt and take names, that is exactly what he is doing.
I assumed 0h0m0 wears them. If he follows Reggie’s admonition not to wear any, it would be a heck of an uglier scene.
Standards of other criminal investigations would have to be applied, to justify the expenditures of Arpaio's office and his subordinate's time on this matter.
Statutory Authority: Is there a statute against this specific allegation of electoral fraud, or would it be under a blanket definition of fraud?
Jurisdiction: How would an action defrauding the State of Arizona justify investigation by a County Sheriff? Wouldn't it be a matter for a state agency, like the Secretary of State, instead?
Statute of Limits: Is there an applicable time frame for a charge to be made?
If Obama is not a natural born citizen the it would surely be fraud for him to solicit, accept, and spend the millions collected from unknowing supporters. It would also be fraud for him to allow his name to be on the ballot.
I am not naive, though. Election officials, governors, and judges don't give a twit about the rule of law.
My feelings exactly.
Democrats can do anything and get away with it.
thanks - I think that there are lots of us.
I guess Maricopa county will issue a proclamation of sorts, detailing why Obama is not allowed on the ballot. Then the case can go to Arizona's supreme court, and force all of Arizona to remove him. Then on to the US supremos, and these people at the Hospital can explain themselves in front of that court. That could be embarrassing for them if they in fact know he was not born there and refused to let it be known .
Fraud could be easily charged, as donors identified with residence within Maricopa County are easily sorted from campaign finance disclosure reports.
That's a more probable angle of success than trying to keep Obama off the 2012 ballot, as eligibility for the ballot would be under the jurisdiction of the Secretary of State's office (unless there are County statutes which somehow supercede State regulations).
A conviction for fraud might get tied up in court, as it may have to be proven that the defendant had knowledge in advance that a fraud was being committed.
What evidence exists that Obama knowingly allowed his name to be placed on the ballot in violation of the NBC requirement? Would the separate document submitted to Hawaii and signed by Pelosi, meet that standard?
Even if the BC proves BO was not an NBC, can a court get a jury to believe BO was aware of "Vittle" and other obscure and sometimes conflicting case rulings, in advance of his candidacy?
That he taught so form of constitutional law in a law school, and should have checked out his eligibility before taking millions in donations or allowing his name to be on the ballot.
That "NBC status" is too inadequately defined for a conviction, and the recent federal court ruling could be cited which stated that determination of NBC status is instead under the jurisdiction of Congress?
However...In the court of public opinion, I would think such a charge or trial of that nature would be very damaging to Obama and the Democrat Party.
Same tactic was used during the Clinton impeachment hearings, to obscure the underlying facts about criminal conduct.
” Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s no-kill animal shelter, MASH, was created to house and care for animals that have been abused or neglected by their caretakers and rescued by the Animal Crimes Investigations Unit. The purpose of the shelter is to provide a safe, healthy and healing shelter for these tragic animals, who must necessarily await the outcome of their owners’ cruelty cases in court. Hopefully, their ultimate outcome will be adoption into loving, permanent homes...”
Another reason to love that man!!!
Kind to animals, harsh to criminals. Which is actually another form of mercy...
SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN!
Oh, there’s MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe!
Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay.
The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who’d like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.
The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.
The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.
I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.
He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison.
Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote...
I love him EVEN MORE now!
His methods should be copied all over the country. And the prisoners caring for the animals!! Now that is good rehabilitation. Guaranteed they come out of there much better men.
Has anyone checked the laws in Arizona? Counties have a lot of control over their elections. Just look back to 2000 in Florida.
Those Florida counties had the presidential election in their hands. One county, I forget, kept changing how they counted the chads and Bush still came out ahead. Dade county went through the Gore precints and didn’t gain much and tried to hide when reviewing Bush precints. They were stopped.
So if the state of AZ allows the counties to determine how they conduct the voting and the candidates requirements to get on the ballot then Sheriff Joe is doing his job.
What’s the problem? Taxpayer dollars aren’t going to this, and you never know, he might actually bag one. Kudos to Sheriff Joe.
Love Sherriff Joe; and all he and Posse trying to accomplish. A larger than life thorn, in someone’s side; no doubt. That said; how long, might one guestimate; that it will take to get/retrieve. . .be allowed to see; per said rightful/legal requests from this most corrupt Administration; all of whom, care not; whose eyes they poke; per defending their illegal/illgotten; private and public, territories..
No more info, due to an acute lack of urgency.
I’m sure it can be found for sure, but I do believe it was for participation in/intentional ignorance of medical insurance fraud....and then she landed that $300K/yr position on that hospital board.
I heard it on a radio talk show, possibly Beck’s.
Perjury statutes would apply.
The people of Arpaio’s county were victims of that perjury.
The crime has widespread enough ramifications that if it was dealt with Arpaio’s county would get the Department of Injustice off their backs so they could actually enforce other laws, so this case should take priority as a prerequisite to be able to do some of the other law enforcement that needs to be done.
Secretaries of State don’t do criminal investigations. And the integrity of both the Arizona US Attorney and AG are compromised already, if I understand correctly. I don’t know if it’s correct or not, but I was told that county sheriffs have jurisdiction over crimes that impact the citizens in their county.
I know of no statute of limitations for perjury.
See, the issues you’re bringing up are exactly what has gotten us into this mess: as long as crooks can manipulate, bribe, threaten, etc the political critter in the place they want to pillage, they have it made because nobody else is ALLOWED to hold anybody accountable to the rule of law. That doesn’t sound like America, where accountability to the rule of law is what made us different than the very tyranny we rebelled against.
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Phil Berg is a big democrat donor; he filed a suit claiming that he was defrauded because he donated money to get an eligible candidate but didn’t get one. The judge ruled it was none of his business; he had no standing.
There is no civil case that the courts can’t deny standing for. They denied standing to an opposing candidate (Alan Keyes) because they said he couldn’t have won anyway. With the courts taking up future-telling and basing decisions on that, there is no charge that they can’t skirt in similar fashion.
The courts have amazed even me with their putrid sophistry that basically says, “Go F yourself, little people. We can throw out anything we want. You don’t have standing unless we look upon you with favor. So go away, pesky little gnats.”
That’s why it HAS to come down to CRIMINAL charges. Trial by jury. Due process. Standing. All that stuff.
The courts would have us believe this is a political issue. It’s not. The man has forged 2 different birth certificates - and was so aware that the COLB was forged that his people gave the media in their packet of “documents” a copy of the COLB taken from a Snopes page. They didn’t even pretend to have anything genuine to copy from. Given that he claimed in his book to have seen his birth certificate - and given that HI Gov Neil Abercrombie has said that what they have in HI would not convince skeptics that he was born there (IOW, it ISN’T a “clean”, straightforward birth certificate like the forgeries Obama has presented - the BC Obama has used his entire life was NOT from Hawaii. IOW, Obama has known his whole life that he was not born in Hawaii, because he’s been using a birth certificate from someplace else, not having a legally-valid one from Hawaii even to this day.
That means he is clearly guilty of both forgery and perjury. This is not a political issue; it is a criminal issue. Law enforcement are the proper people to deal with this issue. Of course, Fast & Furious has revealed to us just how much integrity democrat-controlled law enforcement has... And everybody else is too busy saying these crimes are either imaginary or don’t matter, to actually do their jobs and enforce the law.
I’m not a birther, but it raises some major red flags that he chose to spend millions obscuring his history.
Why spend millions fighting the lawsuits when the whole issue could have been resolved with $20 and a SASE?
I honestly want to see his travel records and his college transcripts.
Your right this shi* really is silly. In fact, it's down right astounding any conservative...heck, any supporter/upholder of the Constitution doesn't think what's in the white house (both the usurper and the "document" he released) is categorically absurd. I mean, who's buying this thing? Seriously?
And, of course, this doesn't even touch on the issue of how in the world someone born with foreign citizenship (& thus allegiance owed to a foreign country) could possibly be considered a "natural born Citizen" and therefore Constitutionally eligible to be the Commander in Chief of the military.
It’s about time! Go git ‘em, Sheriff Joe!
Well, then let's see the entire microfilm roll containing the Nordyke twins' birth records. ;')